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if you lived on the border

Re: if you lived on the border

This one is hard to answer as my wife just gave birth to my first son four months ago. I totally understand the idea of standing up and defending what it yours but I kills me to think of my son growing up without me at all.

Do not be confused, if you stood up to the cartels you would be killed. There are no questions about it. For those of you who think that the men that do the dirty work for the cartels are untrained......give me a break. Drugs = $$$$$ and these cartels work in drugs and violence. So that means that are well funded and well practiced in violence. You and a couple buddies aren't going to win the fight.

Your best hope would be to hold off the first wave and hopefully your seige would garner enough media coverage that our government might take notice and provide assistence. However, I would not count of this as our current government acts like this isn't a problem.

On the other hand I'd be teaching my son a really bad life lesson if I let them have their way......Like I said its a tough one to answer. I'm glad I don't have to make this decision.
 
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It's basically true most moved to surrounding towns like Round Rock, Buda, Kyle, and a few others whose names escape me. So you can make all the comments you want. As for what the border looks like, I have spent quite abit of time in Mexico and seen those true slums. Our border towns are nothing like those. And if I ruffled your feathers I apologize and suggest you get thicker skin.
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Re: if you lived on the border

A fella would go a long way to being safe on his property if he salted the perimeter with M16A1 bounding mines and M14 toe poppers. just sayin...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very difficult proposition to stop the violence here at the border.
1. It is easy for the cartels to inflict damage and violence on U.S. citizens and hop back over the border.
<span style="color: #3366FF">-or hire SanDiego gangbangers to do it</span>

2. If you attempt to defend yourself (even if you are L.E. or BP) you will end up in court if you are lucky and in jail for years if not. Just ask Ramos and Compean.
http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/
<span style="color: #3366FF">-and guess where you will find more violent criminals taking orders from mexican cartel/Zeta bosses</span>

3. You being a normal citizen have to work for a living, have a family to support and protect, and can not sit on guard or move around to protect yourself. Drug cartels have LOTS of money to send ruthless assassins by the boat load to "get you out of the way"
<span style="color: #3366FF">And time, and gangbangers looking to make a rep for themselves</span>

What this means is without a huge amount of long term help and a tremendous amount of luck, you will end up dead, broke, or in jail.
<span style="color: #3366FF">We are in between a rock and a hard place</span>

We are giving illegal aliens college tuition here in Kalifornia cheaper than a citizen that is a resident of Arizona. Tell me that isn't messed up
very. <span style="color: #3366FF">I am flabergasted that someone that cannot prove residency and is in the process of comission of an illegal act gets resident rates...</span></div></div>

I don't know what's going to happen, but it is going to get worse before it gets better.
 
Re: if you lived on the border

Tell me it is not bad when a boy of 11 is out killing a beheading. The little miscreants mother lives here in San Diego. It is a cancer that is spreading.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CUERNAVACA, Mexico — In cargo pants and a T-shirt, the skinny, American-born 14-year-old looked like he should be in middle school. Instead he was surrounded by three armed Mexican soldiers in ski masks and camouflage as he told reporters that he helped a Mexican drug gang behead four people.

Mexican officials say they arrested the youth known as "El Ponchis" late Thursday at an airport south of Mexico City with a 19-year-old sister who is accused of helping him dump the bodies. Authorities said he was caught with two cell phones that held photographs of tortured victims.

Many youths have been used by drug cartels in their bloody battles against the government and each other, but the story of El Ponchis may be the most shocking. A YouTube video that emerged a month ago sparked talk of a child hit man — said by some to be as young as 12.

"I participated in four executions, but I did it drugged and under threat that if I didn't, they would kill me," the boy said calmly when he was handed over to the federal prosecutor Friday morning, showing no remorse.

Authorities identified the curly-haired suspect by his first name only — Edgar.

He told reporters early Friday he was kidnapped at the age of 11 and forced to work for the Cartel of the South Pacific, a branch of the splintered Beltran Leyva gang, and that he had participated in at least four decapitations.

Authorities said the siblings were detained at an airport near Cuernavaca in Morelos state with paid tickets to flee the country.

Morelos Gov. Marco Adame Castillo said the boy was born in San Diego, California, and Mexican officials were researching whether he has dual nationality. A U.S. Embassy official who spoke on condition of anonymity due to embassy policy said American officials had not yet confirmed his citizenship.

The boy's sister said they were headed for Tijuana, where they planned to cross the border and seek refuge with their stepmother in San Diego. Their mother sent them money for the tickets, she said, but it was not clear where their parents are.

The army did not say whether the children had passed security when they were detained. Neither has been formally charged.

The two allegedly worked for Julio "El Negro" Padilla, who has been fighting for control of the drug trade in Morelos, formerly part of the territory under the Beltran Leyva gang, which broke up with the killing of leader Arturo Beltran Leyva by Mexican marines a year ago. The battle among remnants of the gang has caused an unprecedented spike in violence in Morelos and in neighboring Guerrero state, where the resort city of Acapulco is located.

El Ponchis' sister said she was the girlfriend of Padilla and part of a group of girls called Las Chabelas, who helped dump bodies on streets and freeways in and around Cuernavaca, a city about 56 miles south of Mexico City. She said her brother introduced them.

An adult sister picked up at the airport appeared with the two Friday, but authorities said she has no ties to drug trafficking.

Stories of a hit boy, maybe as young as 12, spread after a YouTube video appeared last month with teens mugging for the camera next to corpses and guns. One boy on the video alleged that "El Ponchis" was his accomplice. State and federal authorities refused to confirm El Ponchis even existed.

In the video, the youth told an unseen questioner that his gang was paid $3,000 per killing.

"When we don't find the rivals, we kill innocent people, maybe a construction worker or a taxi driver," the youth is heard saying.

Figures obtained by The Associated Press from Mexico's attorney general's office show that the number of youths 18 and under detained for drug-related crimes has climbed steadily since President Felipe Calderon launched his assault on cartels in 2006. There were 482 that year and 810 in 2009. There were 562 in the first eight months of this year, on track to surpass last year.

Calderon has acknowledged that "in the most violent areas of the country, there is an unending recruitment of young people without hope, without opportunities."

The federal government has said the cartels are recruiting ever younger assassins to replace those killed or arrested in the current wars among the gangs and with the government. The government also has said that cartels prefer underage youths because they shorter sentences if caught.

Unlike the United States, Mexico has no system for trying juveniles as adults, though a bill that would establish such a provision is before the Mexican Senate. In Mexico, juveniles are sentenced to youth detention centers and are freed at age 18.

Although state courts handle crimes by juveniles in Mexico, authorities in Morelos have asked Mexico's federal government to take over the case because of the gravity of the crimes.

Neighbors said the siblings were living in a cartel safehouse in a poor neighborhood of Jiutepec, a working-class suburb of Cuernavaca. The area has an industrial area with Nissan, Unilever and other factories, rustic single-level concrete homes and some farms.

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Re: if you lived on the border

its vary scary thats for sure...... i hope you guys along that border stay safe... it just upsets me to much to see and read about all the nice people having to deal with all that crap