hello i'm looking for some pointers on making long shots. i'm an avid deer hunter and got no problem with 300yards or less but looking to move up to 1000yds or more. i have the property to setup the shooting but wanted to ask someone that has experience with long shots. obviously i will have to walk it out 100yds at a time and i'm familiar with controlled breathing and positioning but id like to possibly do some competition in the next year. thanks any tips or comments are greatly appreciated! i'm using a remington model 700 300 ultra mag to do the work.
i'm looking for pointers
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i'm an avid deer hunter and got no problem with 300yards or less but looking to move up to 1000yds or more.</div></div>You want to shoot deer at 1000 yards or more? Seriously?
BTW, I'm not sure that one needs a 300 Ultra mag for 100-300 yard deer hunting; just sayin'.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i'm an avid deer hunter and got no problem with 300yards or less but looking to move up to 1000yds or more.</div></div>You want to shoot deer at 1000 yards or more? Seriously?
BTW, I'm not sure that one needs a 300 Ultra mag for 100-300 yard deer hunting; just sayin'.
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Welcome here! A wealth of knowledge is here if you can sift the flour fine enough. Some folks forget that everyone was new once. You are located in the heart of lr shooting country, find someone to hang out with as a mentor, and you may need to find a rifle you can shoot, a lot,or lumberjack pay will have to be very good to support the 300 habit.
Search and read a while, you will figure out where you can find answers without being a stepchild for asking. A lot of new guys ask the same questions because they are ..well...new and basic is the same for everybody. Do a little searching and then if you are not sure.. ask away. A bunch of folks will berate you and a few will deliver sound advice based on actual experience, how you handle it will determine your course. A little reading will yield guys willing to help by PM off line, and avoid all the Chaff and get you right to the wheat.
Good luck and if you are serious about the party make sure the wife is willing to pay the band, A heroin habit is cheaper than LR shooting and only 1/2 as addictive.
Welcome here! A wealth of knowledge is here if you can sift the flour fine enough. Some folks forget that everyone was new once. You are located in the heart of lr shooting country, find someone to hang out with as a mentor, and you may need to find a rifle you can shoot, a lot,or lumberjack pay will have to be very good to support the 300 habit.
Search and read a while, you will figure out where you can find answers without being a stepchild for asking. A lot of new guys ask the same questions because they are ..well...new and basic is the same for everybody. Do a little searching and then if you are not sure.. ask away. A bunch of folks will berate you and a few will deliver sound advice based on actual experience, how you handle it will determine your course. A little reading will yield guys willing to help by PM off line, and avoid all the Chaff and get you right to the wheat.
Good luck and if you are serious about the party make sure the wife is willing to pay the band, A heroin habit is cheaper than LR shooting and only 1/2 as addictive.
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you are right I dont need that much gun at that range but i have a few places that i can reach 700-800 yards on a power line that id like to try and i also planned an elk hunt next year which could require decent range shooting. thank you
you are right I dont need that much gun at that range but i have a few places that i can reach 700-800 yards on a power line that id like to try and i also planned an elk hunt next year which could require decent range shooting. thank you
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Lol not into the drugs but money isnt a problem. my pap started the business and my dad is currently running it and i'm next in line. we are all hunters and my pap is a gun collector but i want to take it to the next level or further if i can prove myself. Thank you for your input
Lol not into the drugs but money isnt a problem. my pap started the business and my dad is currently running it and i'm next in line. we are all hunters and my pap is a gun collector but i want to take it to the next level or further if i can prove myself. Thank you for your input
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A bunch of folks will berate you and a few will deliver sound advice based on actual experience,..</div></div>And, importantly, some will do both.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..how you handle it will determine your course.</div></div>Which is what we are waiting to see....it's a vetting process of sorts: You feel us out; we feel you out.
Notice that other people will attack only for the purpose of trying to ingratiate themselves with others, and they will only manage to contribute nothing of substance. For example:<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn dude, don't fall off that mighty tall horse you're on.....you might hurt your high brow. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A bunch of folks will berate you and a few will deliver sound advice based on actual experience,..</div></div>And, importantly, some will do both.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..how you handle it will determine your course.</div></div>Which is what we are waiting to see....it's a vetting process of sorts: You feel us out; we feel you out.
Notice that other people will attack only for the purpose of trying to ingratiate themselves with others, and they will only manage to contribute nothing of substance. For example:<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn dude, don't fall off that mighty tall horse you're on.....you might hurt your high brow. </div></div>
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Shooting out to a grand is all about logistics.
First of all you have the property and the range to gather the DOPE and thats the best start.
Anyone can shoot out to a grand if they have the range.
Its a matter of hitting what you intend to shoot.
Heres a list that you'll need to refine those skills.
1. Quality laser range finder, required to obviously range out to 1k, translating to accurate DOPE at distances out to a grand.
2. Quality spotting scope on a nice offset tripod, to spot rounds or have a spotter spot trace and rounds impact. Spotting scope needs to be a min. of 40x, 60x to see trace out to grand reliably.
3. Glass on your gun that has magnification 20x-25x, with preferably TMR, Mil-Dot, or Horus Reticle. Obviously the DOPE you build needs to be referenced in a reticle that gives you accurate holds for the ammo your using.
4. a good kestrel, to meter and measure atmospherics to calc into your DOPE to get the most accurate shots on target.
5. Good targetry, from small Larue poppers to Iron Maiden Targets, they need to be big and white to reference hits. Then you can start to learn what your guns doing at different distances.
6. A good Data book, Mil-Dot master, and or PDA/Electronic Ballistic Calculator. This is the brains you build behind your gun, your reference and instructions on what your gun and scope will do with predicted variables.
7. Obviously a quality gun, with optimized barrel twist to load, with properly mounted glass.
8. Knowledge and fundamentals, applying all these things in sync and repeatedly is the trick, consistency makes a good shooter, its the guys who has mastered the fundamentals that wins. or in your case hits a target at 1k...
Good luck
Shooting out to a grand is all about logistics.
First of all you have the property and the range to gather the DOPE and thats the best start.
Anyone can shoot out to a grand if they have the range.
Its a matter of hitting what you intend to shoot.
Heres a list that you'll need to refine those skills.
1. Quality laser range finder, required to obviously range out to 1k, translating to accurate DOPE at distances out to a grand.
2. Quality spotting scope on a nice offset tripod, to spot rounds or have a spotter spot trace and rounds impact. Spotting scope needs to be a min. of 40x, 60x to see trace out to grand reliably.
3. Glass on your gun that has magnification 20x-25x, with preferably TMR, Mil-Dot, or Horus Reticle. Obviously the DOPE you build needs to be referenced in a reticle that gives you accurate holds for the ammo your using.
4. a good kestrel, to meter and measure atmospherics to calc into your DOPE to get the most accurate shots on target.
5. Good targetry, from small Larue poppers to Iron Maiden Targets, they need to be big and white to reference hits. Then you can start to learn what your guns doing at different distances.
6. A good Data book, Mil-Dot master, and or PDA/Electronic Ballistic Calculator. This is the brains you build behind your gun, your reference and instructions on what your gun and scope will do with predicted variables.
7. Obviously a quality gun, with optimized barrel twist to load, with properly mounted glass.
8. Knowledge and fundamentals, applying all these things in sync and repeatedly is the trick, consistency makes a good shooter, its the guys who has mastered the fundamentals that wins. or in your case hits a target at 1k...
Good luck
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn dude, don't fall off that mighty tall horse you're on.....you might hurt your high brow. </div></div>On yours, you mean?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And exactly what substance did your high and mighty pontification that you felt uncontrollably compelled to assert bring to the table... Or did your nose sticking up in the air cause you to miss that in his post?</div></div>Read the rules: Attacking others is tolerated, but it's not permitted. You can pretend to be a moderator if it makes you feel better, but the application procedure excludes polluting other people's Threads.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn dude, don't fall off that mighty tall horse you're on.....you might hurt your high brow. </div></div>On yours, you mean?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And exactly what substance did your high and mighty pontification that you felt uncontrollably compelled to assert bring to the table... Or did your nose sticking up in the air cause you to miss that in his post?</div></div>Read the rules: Attacking others is tolerated, but it's not permitted. You can pretend to be a moderator if it makes you feel better, but the application procedure excludes polluting other people's Threads.
Re: i'm looking for pointers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hello i'm looking for some pointers on making long shots. i'm an avid deer hunter and got no problem with 300yards or less but looking to move up to 1000yds or more. i have the property to setup the shooting but wanted to ask someone that has experience with long shots. obviously i will have to walk it out 100yds at a time and i'm familiar with controlled breathing and positioning but id like to possibly do some competition in the next year. thanks any tips or comments are greatly appreciated! i'm using a remington model 700 300 ultra mag to do the work. </div></div>
Hopefully, you are on the eastern side of PA. Then, what you'll do is invite me down to help you lay out the range, inspect and test it thoroughly. I'll also agree to drop hints on ballisitics and LR shooting, but I do not guarantee for correctness nor helpfullness. LOL!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hello i'm looking for some pointers on making long shots. i'm an avid deer hunter and got no problem with 300yards or less but looking to move up to 1000yds or more. i have the property to setup the shooting but wanted to ask someone that has experience with long shots. obviously i will have to walk it out 100yds at a time and i'm familiar with controlled breathing and positioning but id like to possibly do some competition in the next year. thanks any tips or comments are greatly appreciated! i'm using a remington model 700 300 ultra mag to do the work. </div></div>
Hopefully, you are on the eastern side of PA. Then, what you'll do is invite me down to help you lay out the range, inspect and test it thoroughly. I'll also agree to drop hints on ballisitics and LR shooting, but I do not guarantee for correctness nor helpfullness. LOL!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Below is your original post, made with no other reason but to attack and demean the OP</div></div>You haven't got a clue as to why it was made, and if you think that was an attack you're softer and less experienced than I've given you credit for.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't know anything about long range shooting, or long range killing, come on by here sometime, I'll give you some pointers.</div></div>And now you are being a Troll. Contribute or leave; your sig line won't get you off the hook for that shared obligation.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Below is your original post, made with no other reason but to attack and demean the OP</div></div>You haven't got a clue as to why it was made, and if you think that was an attack you're softer and less experienced than I've given you credit for.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't know anything about long range shooting, or long range killing, come on by here sometime, I'll give you some pointers.</div></div>And now you are being a Troll. Contribute or leave; your sig line won't get you off the hook for that shared obligation.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's like talking to a brick wall....</div></div>'I know you are but what am I?' Is not a substantive contribution.
Jon, whom I know and respect, made some valid points in his post. You, on the other hand, appear to know everything, but not much more than that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's like talking to a brick wall....</div></div>'I know you are but what am I?' Is not a substantive contribution.
Jon, whom I know and respect, made some valid points in his post. You, on the other hand, appear to know everything, but not much more than that.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You speak/act, without thinking, then when it blows up in your face, it's everyone else's fault and none of your own.</div></div>Accusing me of being someone here who posts without thinking just robbed you of whatever credibility you had left. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've a term of endearment for people like you...Blame Shifters.</div></div>Have another look at the rules: Name calling is not permitted either. But it's another sign that you have run out of skill at argument and instead choose to repeat what you've heard on Fox news.
The OP asked for my opinion about what he posted. No one asked you for your opinion about what I posted. That's what makes you a Troll.
... Well, that, and the fact that if you insist on bragging in your sig line about your prowess at slapping others down perhaps you should get good at it first.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You speak/act, without thinking, then when it blows up in your face, it's everyone else's fault and none of your own.</div></div>Accusing me of being someone here who posts without thinking just robbed you of whatever credibility you had left. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've a term of endearment for people like you...Blame Shifters.</div></div>Have another look at the rules: Name calling is not permitted either. But it's another sign that you have run out of skill at argument and instead choose to repeat what you've heard on Fox news.
The OP asked for my opinion about what he posted. No one asked you for your opinion about what I posted. That's what makes you a Troll.
... Well, that, and the fact that if you insist on bragging in your sig line about your prowess at slapping others down perhaps you should get good at it first.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I rest my case........ </div></div>You are again overstating your abilities.
And, when you edit a post in order to backpeddle, do us all a favor and be honest: Mark the post as 'edited'.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I rest my case........ </div></div>You are again overstating your abilities.
And, when you edit a post in order to backpeddle, do us all a favor and be honest: Mark the post as 'edited'.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still nothing, on long range shooting/killing? Come on Graham, teach us......... </div></div>Perhaps you would better serve yourself (and us) by reading instead of Trolling and wasting bandwidth by making up flimsy excuses for your behavior.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still nothing, on long range shooting/killing? Come on Graham, teach us......... </div></div>Perhaps you would better serve yourself (and us) by reading instead of Trolling and wasting bandwidth by making up flimsy excuses for your behavior.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's obvious that your ego is the type that constantly needs inflating....so would you be so kind as to expound upon your original post in this thread, re: meaning/substance as it relates to helping the new member, since some of us simply are not getting it. </div></div>Your question is not sincere: It's another unsophisticated and not-so-thinly-veiled attack.
I agree: You're simply not getting it. You are not a moderator, none of us report to you, and I don't owe you an explanation. Pack your Troll box and go look for someone else to take your bait.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's obvious that your ego is the type that constantly needs inflating....so would you be so kind as to expound upon your original post in this thread, re: meaning/substance as it relates to helping the new member, since some of us simply are not getting it. </div></div>Your question is not sincere: It's another unsophisticated and not-so-thinly-veiled attack.
I agree: You're simply not getting it. You are not a moderator, none of us report to you, and I don't owe you an explanation. Pack your Troll box and go look for someone else to take your bait.
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I think you two need to take this to the PM function of this forum.
As to the OP, I agree with some of the posts that suggested reading. The more you read, the more specific questions you will have. Sometimes you can find the answer using the search function, sometimes you can't. If you ask a question that has been posted before, I'm sure some one will link the thread.
I think you two need to take this to the PM function of this forum.
As to the OP, I agree with some of the posts that suggested reading. The more you read, the more specific questions you will have. Sometimes you can find the answer using the search function, sometimes you can't. If you ask a question that has been posted before, I'm sure some one will link the thread.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3fingervic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you two need to take this to the PM function of this forum.</div></div>Good point.
Except that I won't take his PMs.
But you're right. I'll stop now, with apologies to the OP for my over-participation in the ruin of his Thread.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3fingervic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you two need to take this to the PM function of this forum.</div></div>Good point.
Except that I won't take his PMs.
But you're right. I'll stop now, with apologies to the OP for my over-participation in the ruin of his Thread.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Except that I won't take his PMs.
</div></div>
For the record, I haven't sent him any, not now, not ever.
Nice try with the covert attempt to make me look bad.
As far as this thread getting ruined, it was with Graham's first post, IMO. If he deletes everything he posted here, I'll do the same, and the thread can get back on track. In fact, I'll take the high road, and delete my posts first.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Except that I won't take his PMs.
</div></div>
For the record, I haven't sent him any, not now, not ever.
Nice try with the covert attempt to make me look bad.
As far as this thread getting ruined, it was with Graham's first post, IMO. If he deletes everything he posted here, I'll do the same, and the thread can get back on track. In fact, I'll take the high road, and delete my posts first.
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OP, before this Thread became an impromptu tutorial about how to make a confessed Troll go away, I read what Jon posted and then re-read what you wrote.
It was unclear from your syntax as to whether you meant that you wanted to 'move up' to shooting deer at 1000 yards or simply wanted to move beyond 300 yards to thousand-yard shooting. I asked about that in my reply because the printed medium is a difficult one in which to hold informal conversations and the temptation is always to jump to conclusions about what people mean and what they are saying. The result is that one who assumes too much can end-up talking past the other and contributing nothing with regard to the original question.
As I implied in my first post, I am not a fan of extreme range hunting (although I know more than a few people with the skills to excel at it). If deer at 1000 is the goal, then I would first get comfortable on a square range at between 700-1000, without the hunting part, so as not to risk wounding an animal. As I have often said here: The world begins at 700, with the diffculty level growing geometrically (meaning not in a linear fashion) beyond that.
Of course, the above also assumes that you are not shooting a magnum, which on the one hand (with factory loads) is usually far too destructive on thin-skinned game inside of 300 yards, but on the other hand can be a game changer in terms of enabling first round hits between 700 and 1000 if you have a good grounding in the fundamentals (assuming high-BC bullets properly stabilized).
The problem with magnums is that they are more difficult to learn on, if what you want to learn are the fundamentals of driving the rifle correctly. That, and if you take a course or spend a few days in a row on the range, shooting a magnum can become tiring (to say nothing of the increased expense involved in he cost of match ammo). For example: Army sniper school instructors built .300WMs to compete in the 'Cup match this spring. They shot well, because they always do, but they got pounded both mentally and physically by their rifles during that three-day match.
So I challenged you on your choice of caliber because in my opinion you have started (like many sport shooters) backwards. By 'backwards' I mean that the 300RUM could make a fine long range deer gun in the future, but if you want to really learn reading wind and estimating DOPE for between 300 to 1000, you should consider a standard short-action cartridge like the .260 or .308. The bonus is that your precision rifle will probably make a better deer gun at 300 and under.
In sum: In my opinion you would be better served by getting a new rifle more suited to the task. And I agree with KYS: Consider signing-up for the on-line training.
Once you have a good grasp of the fundamentals (no more than that being necessary), sign-up and come down to shoot a match with us.
OP, before this Thread became an impromptu tutorial about how to make a confessed Troll go away, I read what Jon posted and then re-read what you wrote.
It was unclear from your syntax as to whether you meant that you wanted to 'move up' to shooting deer at 1000 yards or simply wanted to move beyond 300 yards to thousand-yard shooting. I asked about that in my reply because the printed medium is a difficult one in which to hold informal conversations and the temptation is always to jump to conclusions about what people mean and what they are saying. The result is that one who assumes too much can end-up talking past the other and contributing nothing with regard to the original question.
As I implied in my first post, I am not a fan of extreme range hunting (although I know more than a few people with the skills to excel at it). If deer at 1000 is the goal, then I would first get comfortable on a square range at between 700-1000, without the hunting part, so as not to risk wounding an animal. As I have often said here: The world begins at 700, with the diffculty level growing geometrically (meaning not in a linear fashion) beyond that.
Of course, the above also assumes that you are not shooting a magnum, which on the one hand (with factory loads) is usually far too destructive on thin-skinned game inside of 300 yards, but on the other hand can be a game changer in terms of enabling first round hits between 700 and 1000 if you have a good grounding in the fundamentals (assuming high-BC bullets properly stabilized).
The problem with magnums is that they are more difficult to learn on, if what you want to learn are the fundamentals of driving the rifle correctly. That, and if you take a course or spend a few days in a row on the range, shooting a magnum can become tiring (to say nothing of the increased expense involved in he cost of match ammo). For example: Army sniper school instructors built .300WMs to compete in the 'Cup match this spring. They shot well, because they always do, but they got pounded both mentally and physically by their rifles during that three-day match.
So I challenged you on your choice of caliber because in my opinion you have started (like many sport shooters) backwards. By 'backwards' I mean that the 300RUM could make a fine long range deer gun in the future, but if you want to really learn reading wind and estimating DOPE for between 300 to 1000, you should consider a standard short-action cartridge like the .260 or .308. The bonus is that your precision rifle will probably make a better deer gun at 300 and under.
In sum: In my opinion you would be better served by getting a new rifle more suited to the task. And I agree with KYS: Consider signing-up for the on-line training.
Once you have a good grasp of the fundamentals (no more than that being necessary), sign-up and come down to shoot a match with us.
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am i missing something? did tripwire's posts get deleted or is Graham havin an all out battle with an imaginary friend? Graham are you ok, do you need to take a knee and drink water?
am i missing something? did tripwire's posts get deleted or is Graham havin an all out battle with an imaginary friend? Graham are you ok, do you need to take a knee and drink water?
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Let's see if I can judge syntax.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hello i'm looking for some pointers on making long shots.</div></div>
You've come to the right place.....welcome.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
i'm an avid deer hunter and got no problem with 300yards or less but looking to move up to 1000yds or more.</div></div>
Speaking of your shooting experience thus far, and stating your intended goal, to help out the helper...good move.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
i have the property to setup the shooting but wanted to ask someone that has experience with long shots.</div></div>
Excellent, not many people have land like that and can support that endevour at home. You will likely progress far faster than those who have to travel to a range or wait for a competition to shoot distance. I too am lucky to have 1200 yards of usable range, with steel targets, on our farm.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
obviously i will have to walk it out 100yds at a time and i'm familiar with controlled breathing and positioning but id like to possibly do some competition in the next year.</div></div>
Again, stating that you realize what you have to do to reach your goal, working it out in 100 yard increments is about as good of a plan as any. When 500 gets boring then move out to 600. With you being familiar with breathing and positions it will probably be a simple matter of coaching you on some things that you overlook, or making small corrections to bad habits. Everyone has those, and the difference between the novice and the pro is that the pro can recognize and correct/prevent his mistake.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
thanks any tips or comments are greatly appreciated! i'm using a remington model 700 300 ultra mag to do the work. </div></div>
Again, stating useful info for the sake of the advice giver. I'll not be the one to disparage your choice of chambering, a friend of mine uses the same rifle/chambering for all of his deer hunting. Mostly long range, with his longest to date at nearly 900 yards, but won't turn down an easy shot at a nice buck should it present. For what it's worth he killed a decent 8 point this year at 280 yards, and an even nicer one at 639 yards. Neither one needed any tracking. Bullet choice is the key with the large magnums. He has used 180 nosler BT's with great success. My long range hunting is done with a 30-06 and the 190 SMK, and just happened to kill an 8 point this year at 15 yards with it, ironic to say the least. To each his own on this and it's really no business of any run of the mill cartridge snob what you choose.
Some of the things that help me with long range shooting in the field are: A precise knowledge of the range of my shot and the dope for my load. The ability to read the environmental factors that make a difference and compensate for them. Good dependable glass with repeatable turrets. A solid rest using every advantage I can find; be that a pack, bipods, a rock, a log, a rear bag, etc. One thing that helps me tremendously is the ability to control recoil, IOW, driving the rifle instead of the rifle driving me. The use of a sling in conjunction with your rest is also a good idea. I started using the TIS quick cuff sling I bought from Triad here and it's now regular kit.
When hunting long range it helps to have a working knowledge of the animal, it's habits, and its body mechanics/language. Knowing when to shoot is key, and that's determined by the animal and whatever situation the animal is currently in. Judging a perfect broadside at extended range is difficult, especially in a low light condition. What you think you see may infact be a few degrees off from what you need. You must wait for and time your shot to hit where you need it to, and at the most opportune time regarding the positioning of the animal. Obviously the best case scenario for killing a deer at long range is when it's quietly feeding in an open space. However, that deer is prone to move at any given instant and this will likely throw your shot well out of a lethal hit. Knowing how they move across a space feeding, how they stance their feet to reach the ground as it relates to skeletal structure, and knowing for every move they make what will come next, is all very helpful fieldcraft. All whitetails "act" about the same in any given situation, so logging tons of hours observing their nature is a must before attempting to put a bullet through the lungs or into a shoulder at long range.
Good luck...........
Let's see if I can judge syntax.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hello i'm looking for some pointers on making long shots.</div></div>
You've come to the right place.....welcome.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
i'm an avid deer hunter and got no problem with 300yards or less but looking to move up to 1000yds or more.</div></div>
Speaking of your shooting experience thus far, and stating your intended goal, to help out the helper...good move.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
i have the property to setup the shooting but wanted to ask someone that has experience with long shots.</div></div>
Excellent, not many people have land like that and can support that endevour at home. You will likely progress far faster than those who have to travel to a range or wait for a competition to shoot distance. I too am lucky to have 1200 yards of usable range, with steel targets, on our farm.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
obviously i will have to walk it out 100yds at a time and i'm familiar with controlled breathing and positioning but id like to possibly do some competition in the next year.</div></div>
Again, stating that you realize what you have to do to reach your goal, working it out in 100 yard increments is about as good of a plan as any. When 500 gets boring then move out to 600. With you being familiar with breathing and positions it will probably be a simple matter of coaching you on some things that you overlook, or making small corrections to bad habits. Everyone has those, and the difference between the novice and the pro is that the pro can recognize and correct/prevent his mistake.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullsi@1000ormore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
thanks any tips or comments are greatly appreciated! i'm using a remington model 700 300 ultra mag to do the work. </div></div>
Again, stating useful info for the sake of the advice giver. I'll not be the one to disparage your choice of chambering, a friend of mine uses the same rifle/chambering for all of his deer hunting. Mostly long range, with his longest to date at nearly 900 yards, but won't turn down an easy shot at a nice buck should it present. For what it's worth he killed a decent 8 point this year at 280 yards, and an even nicer one at 639 yards. Neither one needed any tracking. Bullet choice is the key with the large magnums. He has used 180 nosler BT's with great success. My long range hunting is done with a 30-06 and the 190 SMK, and just happened to kill an 8 point this year at 15 yards with it, ironic to say the least. To each his own on this and it's really no business of any run of the mill cartridge snob what you choose.
Some of the things that help me with long range shooting in the field are: A precise knowledge of the range of my shot and the dope for my load. The ability to read the environmental factors that make a difference and compensate for them. Good dependable glass with repeatable turrets. A solid rest using every advantage I can find; be that a pack, bipods, a rock, a log, a rear bag, etc. One thing that helps me tremendously is the ability to control recoil, IOW, driving the rifle instead of the rifle driving me. The use of a sling in conjunction with your rest is also a good idea. I started using the TIS quick cuff sling I bought from Triad here and it's now regular kit.
When hunting long range it helps to have a working knowledge of the animal, it's habits, and its body mechanics/language. Knowing when to shoot is key, and that's determined by the animal and whatever situation the animal is currently in. Judging a perfect broadside at extended range is difficult, especially in a low light condition. What you think you see may infact be a few degrees off from what you need. You must wait for and time your shot to hit where you need it to, and at the most opportune time regarding the positioning of the animal. Obviously the best case scenario for killing a deer at long range is when it's quietly feeding in an open space. However, that deer is prone to move at any given instant and this will likely throw your shot well out of a lethal hit. Knowing how they move across a space feeding, how they stance their feet to reach the ground as it relates to skeletal structure, and knowing for every move they make what will come next, is all very helpful fieldcraft. All whitetails "act" about the same in any given situation, so logging tons of hours observing their nature is a must before attempting to put a bullet through the lungs or into a shoulder at long range.
Good luck...........
Re: i'm looking for pointers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">am i missing something? did tripwire's posts get deleted or is Graham havin an all out battle with an imaginary friend? Graham are you ok, do you need to take a knee and drink water? </div></div>LOL! Thanks, but the work isn't hard enough to break sweat. I was even offered some help, but I said I didn't need it. Besides, the Mods have given me somewhat of a free rein on this one, without intervening. I think I am either being recruited or assessed by them because the task is falling short of being a difficult test.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">am i missing something? did tripwire's posts get deleted or is Graham havin an all out battle with an imaginary friend? Graham are you ok, do you need to take a knee and drink water? </div></div>LOL! Thanks, but the work isn't hard enough to break sweat. I was even offered some help, but I said I didn't need it. Besides, the Mods have given me somewhat of a free rein on this one, without intervening. I think I am either being recruited or assessed by them because the task is falling short of being a difficult test.
Re: i'm looking for pointers
Two things; reloading can be your friend and.......heres a good site for calculating balistics of whatever load you are gonna use and get you on target quicker at any range. Good luck and welcome to the addiction.
http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/calculators/calculators.shtml
okie
Two things; reloading can be your friend and.......heres a good site for calculating balistics of whatever load you are gonna use and get you on target quicker at any range. Good luck and welcome to the addiction.
http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/calculators/calculators.shtml
okie
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