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im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

Every dicent reloading manual out there has step by step instructions on how to reload. Get one...........no........get several and get after it.

Its not hard, and I cant understand why more people don't reload, its half the fun in shooting.

I started out as teenager, I was pretty much on my own, I got a lee loader, (the one you used with a mallet) a lyman book and got after it (didnt have internet back them). I made mistakes, I learned a lot, and 45 years later I'm still learning a lot and I still make mistakes. (thats why they make bullet pullers).

But most of all, I'm still having fun with my reloading.
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

OK, now pay attention:

DO not get a single stage press. Save your pennies and go with the blue kit from Dillon, 550B so you can do rifle and pistol.
Yes single stage is fun, but it's slow and painful. I know, I have a Forster and yes it puts out seriously accurate ammo, but the Dillon that I loaded over 500 rounds on in a matter of hours at a friend's was the cat's ass.

BUY the Sierra Reloading Manual, and the Hornady version. Both will offer excellent insight and loads of information(ha ha, real punny)

You will need a solid table, a nice comfy stool, a scale(go digital) a powder measure, primer tool, dies for each load, brass, powder, primers, bullets, die lube, case lube, case cleaner kit, and all the storage boxes for the semi loaded rounds, loaded rounds and empty cases.

For doing only 308, Dillon's 550B interactive shows $1780 for the whole enchilada.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/8/pkg_id/8

For about $600 you can go single stage with the works
Of course there are inexpensive kits that work but if you want solid reliable precision, or superior fast easy loading it might make ya cry up front.
The learning curve is not that bad and once you jump into it, it's really easy. For your 308, a 45gr charge of Varget, 175SMK, 210M primer all stuffed in a Winchester case will go 2700fps from a 26" Remy OEM barrel. Your 20" will go maybe 2550 - 2600fps.

I go in steps with my single stage. I clean all the brass then put it in a bag and spray lube it. I use die wax on my sizing dies. Second step is priming. This I do while watching TV by hand with a lee primer tool, or on the bench with the Forster which is a little easier on the hands.
All primed cases go into a MTM case in lots of 50. Then I powder 50, and finish 50. This way I can go maybe 200 rounds in a few hourse during the evenings of the week nights. On a Saturday 200 rounds start to finish is easy enough. That's two range trips max so you see where it gets you on the slow way.
With the DIllon 550, adn it's changeable tool and die heads, 500 rounds in a matter of hours is fast
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

seems as though im in over my head (in a good way) but i most deff will do the single stage. i wont need to go out to the range a lot. just to confirm the zero before going back out and i normally will only shoot maybe 75 rounds though at a time (given it will be a 3-4 hour time span lol) so single will work for me for now.

once again switch, thank you
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

read the stickeys in the reloading section and get several reloading manuals ad read them too then once you have a hadle on whats going on then start rolling your own. Just rember that f***ups are a real bad thing.
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blacksunset</div><div class="ubbcode-body">seems as though im in over my head (in a good way) but i most deff will do the single stage. i wont need to go out to the range a lot. just to confirm the zero before going back out and i normally will only shoot maybe 75 rounds though at a time (given it will be a 3-4 hour time span lol) so single will work for me for now.

once again switch, thank you </div></div>

BlackSunset,

BTW, shouldn't it be "African American" Sunset?
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Seriously, on the decision regarding single stage VS the progressives like Dillon's or Hornady's (or even turret presses like Reddings and others), the single stage will always be a single stage.

The Progressive and turret types can be used as single stage presses when you choose but can be amazingly productive when used as progressive presses when you want or are ready.

Starting out is always best done cautiously, but keep in mind just because you may choose a progressive press does not mean you are required to race through your loads before you have mastered the process. It's ok to go slow wth a progressive.

Good luck
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

With handloading you make the investment up front, and the payback is recovered in smaller increments. It almost never turns out the way one anticipates, and unless one sees a clear and definable end in sight as one begins, one should always make teh assumpton thet their dependence on the prcosess will soon grow to be indispensible. Seen in such a light, the 'buy once, cry once' principle applies.

I, too, recommend the Dillon RL550B system as a once and only press. There isn't a single thing you can do with a single stage that you can't also do with 550. The the most outstanding advantage it provides is the ability to set up your dies once for a caliber or for a rifle, and leave them set up and properly adjusted indefinitely. Then, there's the progressive capability which allows massed production.

More importantly, one should make an extra effort to separate the admirable steps in the process from the absolutely necessary ones. Very simply put, the 'acuracy at any cost' adage often becomes too costly and time consuming with a large helping of diminishing returns for the extras. K.I.S.S.!!!

Greg
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

First thing to buy is a copy of the latest edition of Lyman's Centerfire Handloading Manual. I think the 49th is their latest. Read all the NON CALIBER SPECIFIC chapters. Then read the safety and setup chapters again.

Do this before buying any hardware. Also go to the top of the reloading forum and reak Doc's post and Tre Mon's posts. That will help you understand things a little better.
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

+1000, and other handloading manuals as well. The Sierra Rifle Reloading Manual helped me plenty when I was starting out.

Greg
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

I disagree. I would say the first thing is to locate a known, expirenced reloader. See what he has going on. Most anyone will be glad to help. Find more than one if possiable. Have them help you. I am sure there is someone on the site near you. Also DO NOT PURCHASE ANY PROGRESSIVE, EXPENSIVE , COMPLICATED EQUIPTMENT. Start with simple good equiptment. Work up if you wish. Much of the complicated stuff is not for precision anyway. JMO
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

Disagreement noted and respected. You could well be right, and seeking a local mentor early on is very good advice.

I would, however, not be quite so quick to write off the ability of the RL550B to produce good precision ammunition. Such advice simply flies in the face of a wealth of advice to the contrary already in existence on this site.

I would be very receptive of reasoning what supports your rather assertively expressed opinion on the matter, as, I am certain, would others here.

Greg
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

Greg,
I should have said the progressive equiptment and users of it that I have seen are not the precision guys I KNOW. It might be fine, but in my opinion, not the right stuff for a guy getting started. . No offense intended.
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

None taken.

While I agree that yours is probably the dominant view on this site, I can speak from experience as someone who decided to buy once, cry once, and got the RL550B from the start. I have never had reason to regret that decision, and have never owned any other press since I began handloading the early 1990's.

I had no idea what I was getting into, or how fortunate I was to find one for sale secondhand. I have found that I can do anything I could have done with a singe stage, and still have the progressive reloading capability.

There are a few things one needs to do when setting them up, but none of them involve any actual modifications, just some attention to detail in making the equipment adjustments. There is also the issue of the powder measure's accuracy with tubular powders. Real, but I do (and would) weight each charge anyway, so the relevence is lost on me.

I think that people shy away from the Dillon based on price and perhaps, on a lack of specific experience with them. The things I was told would haunt me have yet to materialize, and I honestly don't understand where folks get such info.

I just wanted to set the record straight from my own personal and admittedly biased viewpoint.

Greg
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

Just my opinion, but start with a single stage press. There's always a need for one, even when you have a progressive one.

If you have never reloaded before, a progressive press has (IMHO) a whole lot of things going on at the same time.

Learn to load good, consistent ammunition on a single stage press first. You'll be able to understand each step in the process as well as more easily diagnose when something is amiss.

If volume is not your goal, a progressive press is not required, and all too often is just another "corvette syndrome" status symbol...I didn't need it, but I could afford it, and it makes me look cool. It doesn't matter one bit, unless your lazy, in which case it wouldn't matter what press you have, your ammo probably would suffer anyways.

JMTCW...
 
Re: im new and was wondering how to hand load ???

Pick up a few good reloading manuals, and meet some folks at the range that are shooting reloads, most folks are more than willing to show new shooters the ropes.