Doing this, is the only thong that needs modified the stock, or does the action have to be modified?
Gunsmithing installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
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Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
Stock only.
You have a mill? It'll be a LOT of work with a Dremel.
Stock only.
You have a mill? It'll be a LOT of work with a Dremel.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
You will need to grind down the tab on the rear section of the action that holds the factory internal box mag in place in order for the AICS mags to fully seat in the M5 DBM.
You will need to grind down the tab on the rear section of the action that holds the factory internal box mag in place in order for the AICS mags to fully seat in the M5 DBM.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
I don't have a mill.
The tab on the rear of the action?
Is this something that can be easily done or better to have a smith do it. I feel comfortable with my Dremel abilities.
I don't have a mill.
The tab on the rear of the action?
Is this something that can be easily done or better to have a smith do it. I feel comfortable with my Dremel abilities.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
Yes a Dremel is perfect to take down the tab on the action.
Yes a Dremel is perfect to take down the tab on the action.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
Ok. I also notice the front of the dbm doesn't sit flush with the bottom of the opening for the action. The dbm is a .25" longer, do I just leave that alone?
Ok. I also notice the front of the dbm doesn't sit flush with the bottom of the opening for the action. The dbm is a .25" longer, do I just leave that alone?
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You will need to grind down the tab on the rear section of the action that holds the factory internal box mag in place in order for the AICS mags to fully seat in the M5 DBM. </div></div>
What? No you don't. If you are doing any grinding or cutting on the action to install a Badger M5 DM you are not installing it correctly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok. I also notice the front of the dbm doesn't sit flush with the bottom of the opening for the action. The dbm is a .25" longer, do I just leave that alone? </div></div>
Follow the instructions regarding distance from the action. The front and rear need to be a certain distance from the action to work correctly.
A good way to get a visual of this is take the action out of the stock, install the bottom metal using the pillars that came with it on the action while it sitting outside of the stock. This is the distance it should be while it's in the stock.
If your stock is the 5R from Remington the bottom metal will not follow the contours of the outside of the stock and it will hang a little lower.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You will need to grind down the tab on the rear section of the action that holds the factory internal box mag in place in order for the AICS mags to fully seat in the M5 DBM. </div></div>
What? No you don't. If you are doing any grinding or cutting on the action to install a Badger M5 DM you are not installing it correctly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok. I also notice the front of the dbm doesn't sit flush with the bottom of the opening for the action. The dbm is a .25" longer, do I just leave that alone? </div></div>
Follow the instructions regarding distance from the action. The front and rear need to be a certain distance from the action to work correctly.
A good way to get a visual of this is take the action out of the stock, install the bottom metal using the pillars that came with it on the action while it sitting outside of the stock. This is the distance it should be while it's in the stock.
If your stock is the 5R from Remington the bottom metal will not follow the contours of the outside of the stock and it will hang a little lower.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
I'm going to go with HateCA on this one. The action is fine if the rest of the project is done right.
It's a lot of Dremeling, send it to someone to be done.
I'm going to go with HateCA on this one. The action is fine if the rest of the project is done right.
It's a lot of Dremeling, send it to someone to be done.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
I take it your stock is an HS with aluminum block bedding...if so you can't install the pillars that come in the M5 kit but you can use them as a gauge too mill the aluminum block to the correct depth . The DBM will not sit flush with the stock .
I take it your stock is an HS with aluminum block bedding...if so you can't install the pillars that come in the M5 kit but you can use them as a gauge too mill the aluminum block to the correct depth . The DBM will not sit flush with the stock .
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
Both of my Remingtons were inletted to the pillar depth that Badger requires and on both of them the tab on the reciever had to be ground down in order for the mag to fully seat in the DBM. I have looked at many rifles that had been done by Known smiths and they too had the tab removed .
Both of my Remingtons were inletted to the pillar depth that Badger requires and on both of them the tab on the reciever had to be ground down in order for the mag to fully seat in the DBM. I have looked at many rifles that had been done by Known smiths and they too had the tab removed .
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both of my Remingtons were inletted to the pillar depth that Badger requires and on both of them the tab on the reciever had to be ground down in order for the mag to fully seat in the DBM. I have looked at many rifles that had been done by Known smiths and they too had the tab removed . </div></div>
Then they are installing it incorrectly. There is more to it then just the pillar depth when cutting the stock. I've done hundreds of them and never touched the receiver.
If they are doing this to make it fit into an HS or some other stock that has not been cut correctly then I could see why they are doing this but that's because they are not cutting the stock correctly and shifting the bottom metal too far rearward, or the action is too far forward in the stock. This has nothing to do with the bottom metal or the Remington action, so I don’t know what else to tell you.
Maybe these pics will help you and the OP.
As you can see this is an unmodified Remington action. The Badger DM is sitting where it should be.
In the second pic, looking down into the mag opening you will see a small silver square area, if you are referring to removing metal from that little square area just below the mag box then the bottom metal is being installed incorrectly. That area of the receiver, when installed correctly will be slightly behind the mag box, and you shouldn't have to do any cutting on the receiver. You shouldn’t have to cut any part of the Remington receiver when the Badger M5 DM is installed correctly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both of my Remingtons were inletted to the pillar depth that Badger requires and on both of them the tab on the reciever had to be ground down in order for the mag to fully seat in the DBM. I have looked at many rifles that had been done by Known smiths and they too had the tab removed . </div></div>
Then they are installing it incorrectly. There is more to it then just the pillar depth when cutting the stock. I've done hundreds of them and never touched the receiver.
If they are doing this to make it fit into an HS or some other stock that has not been cut correctly then I could see why they are doing this but that's because they are not cutting the stock correctly and shifting the bottom metal too far rearward, or the action is too far forward in the stock. This has nothing to do with the bottom metal or the Remington action, so I don’t know what else to tell you.
Maybe these pics will help you and the OP.
As you can see this is an unmodified Remington action. The Badger DM is sitting where it should be.
In the second pic, looking down into the mag opening you will see a small silver square area, if you are referring to removing metal from that little square area just below the mag box then the bottom metal is being installed incorrectly. That area of the receiver, when installed correctly will be slightly behind the mag box, and you shouldn't have to do any cutting on the receiver. You shouldn’t have to cut any part of the Remington receiver when the Badger M5 DM is installed correctly.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
I am with HATECA here. I have installed about 30 so far and NEVER HAVE had to grind anything on the bottom metal or anything else.
HATECA,
Where did you get the mag release on the DBM?
I am with HATECA here. I have installed about 30 so far and NEVER HAVE had to grind anything on the bottom metal or anything else.
HATECA,
Where did you get the mag release on the DBM?
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunjunkieM24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am with HATECA here. I have installed about 30 so far and NEVER HAVE had to grind anything on the bottom metal or anything else.
HATECA,
Where did you get the mag release on the DBM? </div></div>
LOL, where have you been
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...438#Post1874438
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunjunkieM24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am with HATECA here. I have installed about 30 so far and NEVER HAVE had to grind anything on the bottom metal or anything else.
HATECA,
Where did you get the mag release on the DBM? </div></div>
LOL, where have you been
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...438#Post1874438
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
Yes that little square tab is what i am referring to...That tab is used to hold the factory box mag in place . My stocks have been milled in the pillar area to the exact depth that Badger states. I understand what your saying that shifting the DBM slightly rearward would or could cause a binding in that area. My stocks inletting lines up the action screws perfectly centered and vertical from the DBM to the action. The material that had to be removed was very slight maybe 3 or 4 c##t hairs
.Like i said earlier i have looked at the inletting jobs on quite a few rifles that were inletted by some well known gunsmiths and that little tab area was not there anymore.
Yes that little square tab is what i am referring to...That tab is used to hold the factory box mag in place . My stocks have been milled in the pillar area to the exact depth that Badger states. I understand what your saying that shifting the DBM slightly rearward would or could cause a binding in that area. My stocks inletting lines up the action screws perfectly centered and vertical from the DBM to the action. The material that had to be removed was very slight maybe 3 or 4 c##t hairs
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes that little square tab is what i am referring to...That tab is used to hold the factory box mag in place . My stocks have been milled in the pillar area to the exact depth that Badger states. I understand what your saying that shifting the DBM slightly rearward would or could cause a binding in that area. My stocks inletting lines up the action screws perfectly centered and vertical from the DBM to the action. The material that had to be removed was very slight maybe 3 or 4 c##t hairs
.Like i said earlier i have looked at the inletting jobs on quite a few rifles that were inletted by some well known gunsmiths and that little tab area was not there anymore.
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Well then the stocks aren't cut right for the action and lug or the install isn't right because you shouldn't have to do any cutting on the action period.
There is very little room for error when installing the Badger DM so if an ever so slight shift of the bottom metal or the action this can cause you issues even though you can still get the screws to go in.
A Good way to see just how much the bottom metal can shift is to install it onto the receiver like in the pic and you will see how you can shift the bottom metal forward and back slightly even with the screws in the action.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes that little square tab is what i am referring to...That tab is used to hold the factory box mag in place . My stocks have been milled in the pillar area to the exact depth that Badger states. I understand what your saying that shifting the DBM slightly rearward would or could cause a binding in that area. My stocks inletting lines up the action screws perfectly centered and vertical from the DBM to the action. The material that had to be removed was very slight maybe 3 or 4 c##t hairs
Well then the stocks aren't cut right for the action and lug or the install isn't right because you shouldn't have to do any cutting on the action period.
There is very little room for error when installing the Badger DM so if an ever so slight shift of the bottom metal or the action this can cause you issues even though you can still get the screws to go in.
A Good way to see just how much the bottom metal can shift is to install it onto the receiver like in the pic and you will see how you can shift the bottom metal forward and back slightly even with the screws in the action.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
I have a Badger DM in my remington 700 vtr. The stock is a Bell & Carlson that I sent to Badger for inletting. Fits perfectly in the stock and never needed to do anything to the action for it to work properly..
I have a Badger DM in my remington 700 vtr. The stock is a Bell & Carlson that I sent to Badger for inletting. Fits perfectly in the stock and never needed to do anything to the action for it to work properly..
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
Magua, this is a simple matter.
Do the instructions state that it is necessary to remove ANY material from the action?
If there was a way to install the DBM w/o modifying the action, I would consider that method to be SUPERIOR to the method that REQUIRES modifying the action, however slight.
Magua, this is a simple matter.
Do the instructions state that it is necessary to remove ANY material from the action?
If there was a way to install the DBM w/o modifying the action, I would consider that method to be SUPERIOR to the method that REQUIRES modifying the action, however slight.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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I really like that mag release... How much you selling it for HateCA?? I saw the original post when you first showed it off but didn't see anything about a price..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I really like that mag release... How much you selling it for HateCA?? I saw the original post when you first showed it off but didn't see anything about a price..
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both of my Remingtons were inletted to the pillar depth that Badger requires and on both of them the tab on the reciever had to be ground down in order for the mag to fully seat in the DBM. I have looked at many rifles that had been done by Known smiths and they too had the tab removed . </div></div>
Then they are installing it incorrectly. There is more to it then just the pillar depth when cutting the stock. I've done hundreds of them and never touched the receiver.
If they are doing this to make it fit into an HS or some other stock that has not been cut correctly then I could see why they are doing this but that's because they are not cutting the stock correctly and shifting the bottom metal too far rearward, or the action is too far forward in the stock. This has nothing to do with the bottom metal or the Remington action, so I don’t know what else to tell you.
Maybe these pics will help you and the OP.
As you can see this is an unmodified Remington action. The Badger DM is sitting where it should be.
In the second pic, looking down into the mag opening you will see a small silver square area, if you are referring to removing metal from that little square area just below the mag box then the bottom metal is being installed incorrectly. That area of the receiver, when installed correctly will be slightly behind the mag box, and you shouldn't have to do any cutting on the receiver. You shouldn’t have to cut any part of the Remington receiver when the Badger M5 DM is installed correctly.
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Randy,
Lookin at your pic the reciever is slanted in the area where mine was a block of metal which resulted in being ground down. I got a GAP that had a M5 and wanted one on my other rifle. The stock came from McM cut for M5 and the bottom metal come from Tac Pro. After bolting it up and before bedding I was trying the mag and it would not seat so looking at my GAP it had a slanted tab where the ADL screw goes and my other rem 700 was a blocked tab. milled it at a similar angle to the gap and it it started seating just fine. Before doing anything I tested the DBM without the stock and had the same issue, mag would not seat.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both of my Remingtons were inletted to the pillar depth that Badger requires and on both of them the tab on the reciever had to be ground down in order for the mag to fully seat in the DBM. I have looked at many rifles that had been done by Known smiths and they too had the tab removed . </div></div>
Then they are installing it incorrectly. There is more to it then just the pillar depth when cutting the stock. I've done hundreds of them and never touched the receiver.
If they are doing this to make it fit into an HS or some other stock that has not been cut correctly then I could see why they are doing this but that's because they are not cutting the stock correctly and shifting the bottom metal too far rearward, or the action is too far forward in the stock. This has nothing to do with the bottom metal or the Remington action, so I don’t know what else to tell you.
Maybe these pics will help you and the OP.
As you can see this is an unmodified Remington action. The Badger DM is sitting where it should be.
In the second pic, looking down into the mag opening you will see a small silver square area, if you are referring to removing metal from that little square area just below the mag box then the bottom metal is being installed incorrectly. That area of the receiver, when installed correctly will be slightly behind the mag box, and you shouldn't have to do any cutting on the receiver. You shouldn’t have to cut any part of the Remington receiver when the Badger M5 DM is installed correctly.
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Randy,
Lookin at your pic the reciever is slanted in the area where mine was a block of metal which resulted in being ground down. I got a GAP that had a M5 and wanted one on my other rifle. The stock came from McM cut for M5 and the bottom metal come from Tac Pro. After bolting it up and before bedding I was trying the mag and it would not seat so looking at my GAP it had a slanted tab where the ADL screw goes and my other rem 700 was a blocked tab. milled it at a similar angle to the gap and it it started seating just fine. Before doing anything I tested the DBM without the stock and had the same issue, mag would not seat.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Randy,
Lookin at your pic the reciever is slanted in the area where mine was a block of metal which resulted in being ground down. I got a GAP that had a M5 and wanted one on my other rifle. The stock came from McM cut for M5 and the bottom metal come from Tac Pro. After bolting it up and before bedding I was trying the mag and it would not seat so looking at my GAP it had a slanted tab where the ADL screw goes and my other rem 700 was a blocked tab. milled it at a similar angle to the gap and it it started seating just fine. Before doing anything I tested the DBM without the stock and had the same issue, mag would not seat. </div></div>
Not sure what you are seeing in the pic but the factory mag box stop that is in question on the receiver in the pic is straight up and down and has no "slant" to it.
I think you're seeing an optical illusion due to the camera angle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Randy,
Lookin at your pic the reciever is slanted in the area where mine was a block of metal which resulted in being ground down. I got a GAP that had a M5 and wanted one on my other rifle. The stock came from McM cut for M5 and the bottom metal come from Tac Pro. After bolting it up and before bedding I was trying the mag and it would not seat so looking at my GAP it had a slanted tab where the ADL screw goes and my other rem 700 was a blocked tab. milled it at a similar angle to the gap and it it started seating just fine. Before doing anything I tested the DBM without the stock and had the same issue, mag would not seat. </div></div>
Not sure what you are seeing in the pic but the factory mag box stop that is in question on the receiver in the pic is straight up and down and has no "slant" to it.
I think you're seeing an optical illusion due to the camera angle.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
The color change above the black dot led me to believe this one is ramped just a bit. YOu have good lighting and it is bouncing the light different. My GAP is more ramped. The mags that came with my GAP rifle are looser fitting in the M5 I got for the other rifle.
That is a pretty kick ass mag release BTW
The color change above the black dot led me to believe this one is ramped just a bit. YOu have good lighting and it is bouncing the light different. My GAP is more ramped. The mags that came with my GAP rifle are looser fitting in the M5 I got for the other rifle.
That is a pretty kick ass mag release BTW
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
BTW I am in no way arguing with you about this. Its something I ran into and it seems someone else ran into the same thing. I prolly wont install the amount of these in 2 years that you do in a week or so.
BTW I am in no way arguing with you about this. Its something I ran into and it seems someone else ran into the same thing. I prolly wont install the amount of these in 2 years that you do in a week or so.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BTW I am in no way arguing with you about this. Its something I ran into and it seems someone else ran into the same thing. I prolly wont install the amount of these in 2 years that you do in a week or so. </div></div>
No worries. I do concede there could be a few Remington receivers out there that could have either an altered or out of spec factory mag box stop that caused an issue but I have never seen one and I have done 100’s of these, and in every case I have seen that there were issues with the Badger DM and fitting issues it had to do with operator error or a poor install.
The bottom line is one should not have to alter the Receiver in any way to get the Badger DM to work. If they do then something isn't right and they should have someone look at it that has done more then one or two.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BTW I am in no way arguing with you about this. Its something I ran into and it seems someone else ran into the same thing. I prolly wont install the amount of these in 2 years that you do in a week or so. </div></div>
No worries. I do concede there could be a few Remington receivers out there that could have either an altered or out of spec factory mag box stop that caused an issue but I have never seen one and I have done 100’s of these, and in every case I have seen that there were issues with the Badger DM and fitting issues it had to do with operator error or a poor install.
The bottom line is one should not have to alter the Receiver in any way to get the Badger DM to work. If they do then something isn't right and they should have someone look at it that has done more then one or two.
Re: installing badger dbm into a 5r 700
Finished it tonight. Got it to work. It's not easy though. I would strongly recommend to anyone that might sell the stock, send it in, have a professional do it. I'm happy to keep my hs and am not gonna sell the rifle or stock so can live with were I made mistakes. Steady hand with a Dremel is a must! I did have to remove the tab, or else the mag wouldn't lock in, everything slid in good, bolts, bottom metal. Just couldn't get the mag to seat without the removal. I am here to say though, mcmillan or gap has nothing to
fear of my gunsmithing abilities, lol!
Thanks to all the help and advice!
Finished it tonight. Got it to work. It's not easy though. I would strongly recommend to anyone that might sell the stock, send it in, have a professional do it. I'm happy to keep my hs and am not gonna sell the rifle or stock so can live with were I made mistakes. Steady hand with a Dremel is a must! I did have to remove the tab, or else the mag wouldn't lock in, everything slid in good, bolts, bottom metal. Just couldn't get the mag to seat without the removal. I am here to say though, mcmillan or gap has nothing to
fear of my gunsmithing abilities, lol!
Thanks to all the help and advice!
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