Iran - Are there enough PO'd people to pull it off?

[pmclaine]

Last time Obam with held all support, moral and material, resulting in the Green Revolution getting crushed.

Wonder how it will go this time.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...alate-Iran-100-000-flooding-city-streets.html

 

[ArmyJerry]

With a little help. This would be epic, I love the Persian people, very pretty women under those burkas.

 

[W54/XM-388]

If we actually were intelligent, we would be busy helping/funding/arming the people to rise up while also bribing and making good promises to a lot of their military to just stay out of it.... It would be so much cheaper and probably almost no American lives lost.

Somehow I don't think the Saudis who our government seems to be beholden to would be happy if there was no war and destruction of their religious enemies, but rather we helped the people overthrow their government and put in a democracy like they tried once before.
(the one we helped overthrow so the British could have cheap oil).

Can you imagine how upset all our "Allies" in the gulf who are brutal dictators would be if Iran became a democracy with... gasp... freedom?
And then proceeded to be able to out ship them in oil & also out buy them in new stuff for their economy?

What we seem to be being pushed to is another war that actually has no real plan or defined long term goal, just bomb Iran and go in there and mess things up, make enemies for another 100 years, spend a trillion or so on it, see how many Americans get killed, but don't actually turn them into a functioning state that would compete with our "friends" the Saudis, or actually show real open freedom.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I think the first thing the Saudis would do would be to stomp that revolution flat, and stomp the Mullahs flat in the bargain; great excuse, quelling unrest within a neighboring state.

Tell me just who would stick their noses in to stop the Saudis, with all their just short of top of the line American firepower. The Israelis could but would they?

People have been worrying for decades about a United Arab Republic under Iran. How about one under Saudi Arabia?

The last thing the Saudis want is a strong and free Iran. The last thing we should want is a United Arab Republic of any flavor.

Greg

 

[MosesTheTank]

If we actually were intelligent, we would be busy helping/funding/arming the people to rise up while also bribing and making good promises to a lot of their military to just stay out of it.... It would be so much cheaper and probably almost no American lives lost.

Somehow I don't think the Saudis who our government seems to be beholden to would be happy if there was no war and destruction of their religious enemies, but rather we helped the people overthrow their government and put in a democracy like they tried once before.
(the one we helped overthrow so the British could have cheap oil).

Can you imagine how upset all our "Allies" in the gulf who are brutal dictators would be if Iran became a democracy with... gasp... freedom?
And then proceeded to be able to out ship them in oil & also out buy them in new stuff for their economy?

What we seem to be being pushed to is another war that actually has no real plan or defined long term goal, just bomb Iran and go in there and mess things up, make enemies for another 100 years, spend a trillion or so on it, see how many Americans get killed, but don't actually turn them into a functioning state that would compete with our "friends" the Saudis, or actually show real open freedom.

Spot on. A large democracy in the neighborhood would cause some serious gastric pain.

I say we retool the School of the America’s as the Academy of the Gulf

 

[ArmyJerry]

The DNC and RNC are owned by the Saudis, Trump is not, the Bushes need to be held to account for their relations with the saudis, the Clintons too, they did the whole bombing of the balkans on the orders of the Saudis.. Saudi Arabia needs to be extinguished, utterly and completely erased into the sand they came from.

 

[pmclaine]

I think the first thing the Saudis would do would be to stomp that revolution flat, and stomp the Mullahs flat in the bargain; great excuse, quelling unrest within a neighboring state.

Tell me just who would stick their noses in to stop the Saudis, with all their just short of top of the line American firepower. The Israelis could but would they?

People have been worrying for decades about a United Arab Republic under Iran. How about one under Saudi Arabia?

The last thing the Saudis want is a strong and free Iran. The last thing we should want is a United Arab Republic of any flavor.

Greg

I dont think the saudis could successfully stomp a fresh dog turd and make it flat. Who will they hire to do this? Its usually US.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Actually I hope you're totally right.

 

[Redmanss]

There's no such thing as democracy in the ME or south Asia, nor will there be for the next several decades. It is opposed inside Sharia law from the get-go, and they still are Islamic based.

Even where elections are held, the votes are rigged or opposition groups are disenfranchised. They can have all the democratic movements all they want, it's still the same result: someone holds ultimate power that is unchecked, and they use that power to violently crush their opposition. So long as they hold the Koran as their primary basis of law, they will NEVER have any such form of government that is remotely free.

I'm rather fond of the ME nations that give a shit more about making money than making war. The freedoms of their people are not our problem or concern, so long as they remember what happens when they fuck with us and kill our people. We have the Saudis, Kuwaitis and Emiratis right where we need them, in our pocket, and no, it's not the other way around as they need us far more than we need them, and they know it.

 

[pmclaine]

Well I dont want us fighting it.

Let their little factions fight it out and undo the mess of Sykes Picot giving each little special interest its own homogeneous enclave.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

There's no such thing as democracy in the ME or south Asia, nor will there be for the next several decades. It is opposed inside Sharia law from the get-go, and they still are Islamic based.

Even where elections are held, the votes are rigged or opposition groups are disenfranchised. They can have all the democratic movements all they want, it's still the same result: someone holds ultimate power that is unchecked, and they use that power to violently crush their opposition. So long as they hold the Koran as their primary basis of law, they will NEVER have any such form of government that is remotely free.

I'm rather fond of the ME nations that give a shit more about making money than making war. The freedoms of their people are not our problem or concern, so long as they remember what happens when they fuck with us and kill our people. We have the Saudis, Kuwaitis and Emiratis right where we need them, in our pocket, and no, it's not the other way around as they need us far more than we need them, and they know it.

The problem is that whenever we do go after them, we always kill PEOPLE. Killing people in a society that doesn't value human life is a waste of time.

What you have to do is kill thier god. Lay waste to Mecca and Medina , and raze every mosque to the ground, including the one on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Kill every mullah and burn every copy of the koran. How great will thier god be then? What would they do in the name of such a weak and powerless god?

It will never happen, just a thought.

 

[308pirate]

What you have to do is kill thier god. Lay waste to Mecca and Medina and , and raze every mosque to the ground, including the one on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Kill every mullah and burn every copy of the koran. How great will thier god be then? What would they do in the name of such a weak and powerless god?

It will never happen, just a thought.

A good thought, tho......

 

[Sean the Nailer]

There's no such thing as democracy in the ME or south Asia, nor will there be for the next several decades. It is opposed inside Sharia law from the get-go, and they still are Islamic based.

Even where elections are held, the votes are rigged or opposition groups are disenfranchised. They can have all the democratic movements all they want, it's still the same result: someone holds ultimate power that is unchecked, and they use that power to violently crush their opposition. So long as they hold the Koran as their primary basis of law, they will NEVER have any such form of government that is remotely free.

I'm rather fond of the ME nations that give a shit more about making money than making war. The freedoms of their people are not our problem or concern, so long as they remember what happens when they fuck with us and kill our people. We have the Saudis, Kuwaitis and Emiratis right where we need them, in our pocket, and no, it's not the other way around as they need us far more than we need them, and they know it.

So, are you saying that those people don't have the intelligence to see the 'err of their ways'?

I'd like to have more faith in people than that. Alas....

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...." Who sang that ;P

 

[MarinePMI]

No, I think @Redmanss is saying that there is culture to contend with (hence the generational change comment). Whether it be religion (like the ME) or just plain social culture (NORK, Russia, etc.), some ethnicities have had their culture built around strong, central control. Democracy will not work for them right out of the gate. It requires time for the culture to change and adjust (generations, as Redmanss mentioned). Have you ever seen tribal Muslims standing in line for something? Nope, it is anathema to their culture...and a totally foreign concept.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Marine, I get what you're saying. My comment was full of sarcastic irony. At least, intended to be such. Hence the lyric below. It is that "totally foreign concept" that I was inferring the ability to grasp, let alone 'grasp change'.

 

[Clearlight]

Alcohol , they need more alcohol . The state turns a blind eye to massive opium/ heroin use , yet
you get sharia’d badly for a bottle of booze ... Mr Haig and Mr Daniels , there’s a message for you
in the communication room .

 

[Mr.BR]

Lets just say sanctions have poor track record of changing regimes but are excelent at creating ,poverty refugees and immigrants. If anything some are great at keeping regimes in power ,both Cuban and North korean regimes would have folded like Soviet union and much of eastern europe in the 90's without sanctions.

Having been trough much of ME including Iran , they are just about the closest of ME shit holles to democracy and unlike the GCC ragheads most of these people actualy work for a living vs being on goverment salary and stipend common in Saudi arabia and similar gulf monarchies where actual work is done by near slave labour from Pakistan ,Indonesia etc.

Unlike GCC few women wear burqas(mostly rural and poor folks) , Iran is the ME center of plastic surgery much of junger females you see in big cities had work done , only places with so much plastic surgery walking around is Brazil LOL , this is a legarcy of Iran Iraq war with huge numbers of wounded needing reconstructive work

As for democracy the issue is hardliners get elected ouside big cities , like in Turkey they don't need to rig much up to get elected. Unfortunately lower the living standard more likely hardliners get elected.

Last time i was there sanctions were still in place , so banks off line , which meant much of the bussines ran trough Dubai and Lebanese banks and private fixers . Sanctions make a considerable number of people very rich as most iranians can't acces hard courency these fixers run black market currency exchange at rip off rates.Same thing goes for goods they are always on the market but hugely overpriced. (when sanctions went down Iran elite imported fancy sports cars in numbers that would make Comiefornia blush )

Alcohol is quite abundant but kept among 4 walls . Religion is also not that much in the forefront big difference compred to GCC ,You would be suprised particulary urban population doesnt give a shit about islam. But as regime is run by religious they have to go along. Funny thing , when on airplane as soon as the wheels start moving there is lots of comotion as women are changing clothes and packing away headscarves.

Iran is a target not because of US interests but Saudi ones .


''War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.''
''Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.''

George Orwell

 

[sirhrmechanic]

There were in 2009, but Iranian operative Valerie Jarrett and her minions in the Oval Office... spiked it.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[MarinePMI]

I'll tell you what...I'll take "Cheeto Benito" over Hillary any day of the week and Sundays too.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Another ignorant fool.

Did you quit your state department job?

Point of order, the House of Saud is not a monolith. If someone smart were in office, we might turn Iran into an ally via the House if Saud's more liberal offshoot, by using some of the classic Saudi princes to advertise our willingness to undo what we did in the 70s and make allies with groovy people with money and a more lax view of Islam. Unfortunately as long as Cheeto Benito remains in office advised by Christian right-wingers hellbent on a new Crusade I thing we'll do the exact opposite of the right thing to achieve peace.

I could be wrong though, remember how we achieved peace with North Korea an d they totally stopped their nuclear program?

 

[ArmyJerry]

You should take your own advice and stop posting you ignorant fucktard.

 

[Bender]

Pictures sum it up well.

Pre and post insane religious leaders.

 

[Mr.BR]

These pre and post ,pictures you can apply literaly to any ME country and Afghanistan most are curtesy of some 300bilion $$ Sauds invested into spreading Wahabi strain of Islam and ole Regan was at the time pating them on the back for it.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Well that is better that having the country and citizens pay to house him in prison the rest of his life. He killed a woman and tried killing another man, so no big lose to society.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[W54/XM-388]

It's interesting how our "friends" the crazy part of the Saudis helped spread extremism.

If you got back to around the 50s and 60s, and look at pictures of pretty much anywhere in the middle east away from the Wahabbi strongholds, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, you could mistake them for any southern European city with just darker people.

That is why I think we are doing it all wrong, don't go fighting the "terrorists". Instead just go eliminate ALL the crazy mullahs that preach the killing and swap in suddenly with actual vetted modern progressive liberals (if you can find any). Both in the middle east and all over the west where the crazies have set up shop.

A lot of screaming and yelling, then probably peace pretty quickly.

 

[Srikaleak]

If we actually were intelligent, we would be busy helping/funding/arming the people to rise up while also bribing and making good promises to a lot of their military to just stay out of it.... It would be so much cheaper and probably almost no American lives lost.

We tried this arming the rebels in Aleppo to rise against the dictator Assad of Syria. The Western world is now dealing with the largest immigration crisis because of these actions.

The DNC and RNC are owned by the Saudis, Trump is not, the Bushes need to be held to account for their relations with the saudis, the Clintons too, they did the whole bombing of the balkans on the orders of the Saudis.. Saudi Arabia needs to be extinguished, utterly and completely erased into the sand they came from.

Saudi Arabia is a useful idiot to funnel taxpayer dollars into the pockets of defense contractors. The military industrial complex is alive and well because of our "friendship" with Saudi. We provide the munitions, they provide the "money" and the targets. It's always a good idea to invest in MIC companies, hell, we should create an index fund for them so everyone can profit.

Instead just go eliminate ALL the crazy mullahs that preach the killing and swap in suddenly with actual vetted modern progressive liberals (if you can find any). Both in the middle east and all over the west where the crazies have set up shop.

A lot of screaming and yelling, then probably peace pretty quickly.

I am generally not a fan of silencing thoughts or ideas. Oftentimes it backfires and "validates" those ideas and those who preach them. (Along the lines of: "This is striking a nerve, they are trying to silence me, what I am saying must be true") I'd rather give them the microphone and let them spout their bullshit ideas so we can actually see who the dangerous people are.

 

[W54/XM-388]

If we want the job done right with killing all the crazy hate spewing, infidel bashing, terror mongering mullahs all over the world at once (so they don't get busy stirring up more terrorism and revenge) we will have to do it ourselves, we could give the credit for it to others, but if you want something done right, you sometimes have to do it yourself.

The SJWs, Communists, Democrats and our "allies" would be screaming bloody murder, so that's why you'd have to do it all at once.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

@AviCado you are aware of all the liberties that MBS has given and has already signed into their Royal Decree in regards to women's rights, throttling back on the religious police powers, the western entertainment venues and such right??

He is essentially the only person in power no matter how many Princes are in the House of Saud. It has been that way since his MOD and Chief Judge days.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Mr.BR]

MBS might in couple decades

Hi,

@AviCado you are aware of all the liberties that MBS has given and has already signed into their Royal Decree in regards to women's rights, throttling back on the religious police powers, the western entertainment venues and such right??

He is essentially the only person in power no matter how many Princes are in the House of Saud. It has been that way since his MOD and Chief Judge days.

Sincerely,
Theis

LOL MBS reforms might in couple of years but unlikely , considering how thin skined he is get the 'liberties' near what Iranian women already have.


'' Saudi Arabia is a useful idiot to funnel taxpayer dollars into the pockets of defense contractors. The military industrial complex is alive and well because of our "friendship" with Saudi. We provide the munitions, they provide the "money" and the targets. It's always a good idea to invest in MIC companies, hell, we should create an index fund for them so everyone can profit. ''

Unfortunately Saudi Arabia is by leaps and bounds US most important partner and critical to 'american way of life' as sick as that sounds. Whole dolar press at FED only works because of them. Petro dolar they hold up, means FED can& does print near limitless amounts of fiat currency without US going into inflation tailspin of epic proportions. Gov and citzens can spend way over their means and have been doing so for well over 50years mostly thanks to Haus of Saud and petro dollar they prop up in exchange for US protection

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Having spent the past 10 years with Saudi MOD I will tell you the "others" in power are actually powerless. There is a reason why when MBS was MOD he expanded their National Guard Training Center in Huntsville AL. Their NG is basically the King and Crown Princes personal military. They are outside of the normal Government and Military Chain of Command. IF any of the other Princes even think they are going to use the traditional military and government entities to control the power of MBS then his personal NG takes care of that lol.

He had the other Princes arrested in a public display of his transparency of power in that no matter what your name or House status is that you are not above reproach. It greatly appealed to the everyday citizen. It was essentially a wake up call that you are not allowed to use your House status for commercial and economic gain in regards to Government contracts. (Too bad the USA does not follow suit of that policy).

I hate to say it but Saudi Arabia does not NEED the USA for anything. But we NEED them so they do not bankrupt every other oil company in the world. They can bankrupt every other oil company in the world within a matter of months. Worse is that they can prop up ROSNEFT while all others fall. Just imagine how fast China would come calling and collecting the money the USA owes them if China Oil companies started closing and they were then forced to pay whatever price Russia wanted......

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Fig]

Yeah, too bad the CIA supported the coup that deposed the (comparatively) liberal and pro-Western USA.

Jimmy Carter...who also wouldn't allow the Shah to abdicate to the US.

Like most leftists, you're projecting your hatred and biases of your own culture on our enemies. Again (solipsism); this is why you think if we changed our behavior they would start liking us, when it isn't what we do they hate it's who we are. Trying to appease or negotiate with Shariaists is something so stupid only someone completely "woke" would even try it. You should try reading the Koran and the Hadith.

Though, I think it would be entertaining to watch you try and convince a hardcore Shariaists that your little ideas are superior to their God's Law. He would probably try to stab you mid-argument, which would be REALLY entertaining!

 

[Rthur]

Point of order, the House of Saud is not a monolith. If someone smart were in office, we might turn Iran into an ally via the House if Saud's more liberal offshoot, by using some of the classic Saudi princes to advertise our willingness to undo what we did in the 70s and make allies with groovy people with money and a more lax view of Islam. Unfortunately as long as Cheeto Benito remains in office advised by Christian right-wingers hellbent on a new Crusade I thing we'll do the exact opposite of the right thing to achieve peace.

I could be wrong though, remember how we achieved peace with North Korea an d they totally stopped their nuclear program?

Huffpo called, they want their rhetoric back.....

R

 

[Mike_Honcho]

The first commercially significant oil find was in Iran in 1901 by the British. In 1908 the Brits and the Shah entered into a joint oil company. Pretty soon the citizens of Iran started asking for their cut. The Shah was forced to abdicate in 1941, thereby putting the Brits oil interest in jeopardy. In 1951, the Prime Minister (Britain’s boy) is assassinated, the Anglo-Iran Oil Company is then nationalized, and it is the end of the road for the Brits.

The Americans found oil in SA in 1938, and post war there was a much better working relationship of US / GB bankers and spies. Why just walk away from such infrastructure / honey hole in Iran? So now we begin the long involvement of the US and the Shah and the ugly ending.

The petro dollar recycling scheme that runs the world requires having SA be the heavy in OPEC. The central function of SA is that of a water carrier. Part of that means lots of funding for terrorists that make sure the entire region is in constant upheaval. It isn’t just SA that provides the funding. The US does as well. All this theater creates opportunity for the US MIC to sell lots and lots of gear. Every once in a while they let it boil over so they can involve US troops too.

The entire history of the US in the ME is really the story of influential bankers using intelligence orgs to subvert, and steal. Who do you think is behind the Mullas? What was Iran Contra? What was Operation Cassandra? How is Iran tied to Uranium One?

 

[MarinePMI]

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

But back to Iran lol....
How many here realize that there is a huge Jewish population in Iran? There are more than 60 synagogues in Iran with 6 in Tehran.
How many synagogues are in UAE?

Edited to Add: There are even Jews in the Iranian Government.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Redmanss]

I wouldn't exactly consider under 9k Jew holdouts amongst a population of >80M "huge". That there were over 80k prior to the ousting of the Shah, tells me there was a pretty deliberate effort to get rid of them.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Many Jews were expelled over the last 15 years.

 

[pmclaine]

Hi,

But back to Iran lol....
How many here realize that there is a huge Jewish population in Iran? There are more than 60 synagogues in Iran with 6 in Tehran.
How many synagogues are in UAE?

Edited to Add: There are even Jews in the Iranian Government.

Sincerely,
Theis

You mean it's not the Jews themselves it's the reality of Israel?

 

[ArmyJerry]

We don’t need one drop of Saudi oil, Europe does, but then again Russia can provide them if need be. OPEC is about obsolete, that is driving major disruption.

Hi,

Having spent the past 10 years with Saudi MOD I will tell you the "others" in power are actually powerless. There is a reason why when MBS was MOD he expanded their National Guard Training Center in Huntsville AL. Their NG is basically the King and Crown Princes personal military. They are outside of the normal Government and Military Chain of Command. IF any of the other Princes even think they are going to use the traditional military and government entities to control the power of MBS then his personal NG takes care of that lol.

He had the other Princes arrested in a public display of his transparency of power in that no matter what your name or House status is that you are not above reproach. It greatly appealed to the everyday citizen. It was essentially a wake up call that you are not allowed to use your House status for commercial and economic gain in regards to Government contracts. (Too bad the USA does not follow suit of that policy).

I hate to say it but Saudi Arabia does not NEED the USA for anything. But we NEED them so they do not bankrupt every other oil company in the world. They can bankrupt every other oil company in the world within a matter of months. Worse is that they can prop up ROSNEFT while all others fall. Just imagine how fast China would come calling and collecting the money the USA owes them if China Oil companies started closing and they were then forced to pay whatever price Russia wanted......

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Mr.BR]

We don’t need one drop of Saudi oil, Europe does, but then again Russia can provide them if need be. OPEC is about obsolete, that is driving major disruption.

US might not need Saudi or iranian oil but you need Saudi OPEC to run the petrodolar project

 

[ArmyJerry]

We don’t need them, opec or any other energy at all. They need us more than we need them. I been working in this. Business for 30 years, I know who needs what, and who has what. We need nothing from anyone.

 

[pmclaine]

We don’t need them, opec or any other energy at all. They need us more than we need them. I been working in this. Business for 30 years, I know who needs what, and who has what. We need nothing from anyone.

That's great!

There you go again throwing out your knowledge and experience privlidge.

When will you learn to dumb down and just get with the propaganda line.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I am dumming it down, hehehhe.

I am concerned about the absolute ignorance when it comes to energy and economics here on this site and in our society in general.

We have enough known Gas reserves to last us 200 years at current consumption. Our known oil reserves are good enough to last 100+ years at current consumption, this is without future tech advances like the next fracking, this is without opening ANWR, East Coast US and West Coast US. Coal reserves, easy to get coal can supply us for 300 + years, even without all the reserves locked up by the clintons and Obama when they stol state lands and declared them national parks or reserves.


We need nothing from anyone, we should turn inward,have our cleansing (brutal civil cleansing of communists) and let the rest of world do what they want.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

So if Saudi tanked Petrobras, Petrochina, Sinopec Group, BP, Total SA, Pemex and Royal Dutch Shell..
How long do you think the USA based companies will last? Do you think Exxon Mobil can stay afloat if crude hit $10 per barrel?
And do you think the USA has enough capital to pay off all the creditors that will come with hands out when those countries are then required to pay SA or Russia inflated prices?

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[ArmyJerry]

98% of the US debt is owned by Americans so yeah It wont be a problem. As said in another thread, as fucked up as we are financially the rest of the world is worse off.

You mix national oil companies with market based oil companies above, you are talking two different animals. If you paid attention to the markets at all over the last 5 years you will see an attempt to crush the US oil business bu opening the taps by opec, the price of oil fell to $40, where opec thought could put the US producers out of business, the US producers just turned off the light switch and worked on efficiencies, the Saudies could not afford to have $40 oil so they pushed up their prices, that’s when the US producers turned on the light switch again. Technology has castrated Opec.

We can turn on and off the fracking switch like a light, there is no 10% loss of well head pressure with fracking like there was in the past. Fuck OPEC and Fuck Saudi Arabia. We need nothing from anyone. We have internal work that needs doing, FTW.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Hi,

So if Saudi tanked Petrobras, Petrochina, Sinopec Group, BP, Total SA, Pemex and Royal Dutch Shell..
How long do you think the USA based companies will last? Do you think Exxon Mobil can stay afloat if crude hit $10 per barrel?
And do you think the USA has enough capital to pay off all the creditors that will come with hands out when those countries are then required to pay SA or Russia inflated prices?

Sincerely,
Theis

An why would the price they charge for their energy, effect us if we are energy independent of them in the first place? Fuel in many place on this rock is much cheaper, an other places much higher that ours. Even though most of it comes from the same well. We should be tied to their pricing if we become independent, I don't think so. Is China or anyone else tied to our cost per ton of coal or are we theirs, no we are not.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Oil is fungible, my point is they don’t control the price like they used to, oil cant be a weapon or a carrot like it used to be.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Oil is fungible, my point is they don’t control the price like they used to, oil cant be a weapon or a carrot like it used to be.

The only people that oil was used as a weapon against,... was the American people. We have, an have had, the tech to be independent with energy but, money is in war, not oil!

 

[Redmanss]

How would the Saudis increasing to full capacity, where they only have 2M B/D spare, push oil down to $10/bbl? That's only a couple percentage points of consumption.

I'm an outsider and purely a layman on the subject, but I don't see it in the least.

 

[ArmyJerry]

OPEC is 20-30% of the supply, SA is the easiest to turn on and off. 2MBD is a nominal 2% of the oil, it does not take much extra supply or much of a shortage to move prices in a very big way, especially when you have a constant demand.


So if you have demand of 120 MBD and you add 2MBD with demand staying at 120 MBD you will build to a glut very quickly, putting onward pressure on prices immediately same thing happened in reverse with a cut in supply.

This is very simple, not even going into refining and other parts of the supply chain that impact the markets in violent and crazy price moves.