Iran go boom

[Fig]

the Iranian theocracy is awful. Islam is satanic. but Im sick of Israel's bullshit. we owe them nothing and we should give them nothing. all they do is scream how they are the ultimate eternal victim ......while ethnically cleansing everyone whose land they want to take, or who threatens their genocidal aspirations. fuck that. this country needs less Pat Robertson Christians and more Ferdinand and Isabella Christians, and then we can sort out who is for us and who is against us.

Since about 1,900,000 Arabs, or 20% of the population, live in Israel proper (land they directly control), and since there are eleven non-Jews (I think one or two are Druze) members of the Knesset, and since there have been Arabs on the Knesset since the very first election in 1949, it seems they're incredibly shitty at ethnic cleansing. Some say the worst ever. While the Arabs around Israel have declared they intend to murder every Jew in the Levant; Israel has never said it wanted to do anything but peacefully exist with them.

Why don't you look up how many Jews live in Gaza, The West Bank, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Syria (there are some in Jordan), or for that matter how many Christians exist in those countries. There are some, but their numbers have been dropping since the 1950s in every one of them as they are completely persecuted and murdered often. They are never full citizens with full rights, but Dhimmis. An Arab Israeli has the exact same rights as a Jewish one. There is no difference in the courts or anywhere else.

While it's true that many Canaanites did flee in 1948, there was never a program to remove them, and the Jews let everyone stay who wanted to stay despite everything that was going on at the time. Indeed, the success of the Mossad has to be largely laid at the feet of those two million Arabs who serve in both the military and intelligence branches of their government. There is no way they could so effectively infiltrate and surveil their enemies without them.

These sorts of statements of moral equivalence are false on their face. There are plenty of real reasons to dislike many cultures. Ones that keep to themselves and resist integration certainly not withstanding. Obviously you are free to not give a fuck or hate anyone you want, but it should at least be somewhat based in reality.

I would never argue that our alliance with Israel has been a 50%/50% proposition, but rather it has been based on shared interests and shared enemies. Without relitigating history, anyone who thinks if we kicked Israel to the curb today all our enemies in the ME would suddenly stop wanting to kill us is crazy. It's religious and ideological, not practical. Never was.

 

[Kamerad]

Since about 1,900,000 Arabs, or 20% of the population, live in Israel proper (land they directly control), and since there are eleven non-Jews (I think one or two are Druze) members of the Knesset, and since there have been Arabs on the Knesset since the very first election in 1949, it seems they're incredibly shitty at ethnic cleansing. Some say the worst ever. While the Arabs around Israel have declared they intend to murder every Jew in the Levant; Israel has never said it wanted to do anything but peacefully exist with them.

Why don't you look up how many Jews live in Gaza, The West Bank, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Syria (there are some in Jordan), or for that matter how many Christians exist in those countries. There are some, but their numbers have been dropping since the 1950s in every one of them as they are completely persecuted and murdered often. They are never full citizens with full rights, but Dhimmis. An Arab Israeli has the exact same rights as a Jewish one. There is no difference in the courts or anywhere else.

While it's true that many Canaanites did flee in 1948, there was never a program to remove them, and the Jews let everyone stay who wanted to stay despite everything that was going on at the time. Indeed, the success of the Mossad has to be largely laid at the feet of those two million Arabs who serve in both the military and intelligence branches of their government. There is no way they could so effectively infiltrate and surveil their enemies without them.

These sorts of statements of moral equivalence are false on their face. There are plenty of real reasons to dislike many cultures. Ones that keep to themselves and resist integration certainly not withstanding. Obviously you are free to not give a fuck or hate anyone you want, but it should at least be somewhat based in reality.

I would never argue that our alliance with Israel has been a 50%/50% proposition, but rather it has been based on shared interests and shared enemies. Without relitigating history, anyone who thinks if we kicked Israel to the curb today all our enemies in the ME would suddenly stop wanting to kill us is crazy. It's religious and ideological, not practical. Never was.

Lol, everyones at fault but jews, and ‘btw we’re smarter, oy vey’

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[Fig]

I'm pointing out facts that discredit your uninformed opinions. I'm not the one speaking in absolutes either. We have common interests and common enemies with Israel, like the one's who've been chanting "Death to America" for almost fifty years.

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I'm sure the traders on Wall Street will miss this opportunity to make wheel barrows of cash because Trump told them not to do it.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I'm pointing out facts that discredit your uninformed opinions. I'm not the one speaking in absolutes either. We have common interests and common enemies with Israel, like the one's who've been chanting "Death to America" for almost fifty years.

I'm sure the traders on Wall Street will miss this opportunity to make wheel barrows of cash because Trump told them not to do it.

There will always be war profiteers. So far its jumped from low 60's to low 70's. But he has a point, Irans main source of Income is their oil exports. They want a price surge.

Thing is, I hope the last few years of US increasing production, Saudi building infrastructure to the Red sea can help mitigate the loss while this plays out. I have a feeling the majority of entire region is tired of their bull shit and would like to see them gone. I guess we will find out shortly.

 

[Mr.BR]

It is a shame our military experts and intelligence agencies do not have the deep understanding of the subject matter that you do. Are you available for consult to explain it to them?

I am quite certain they know exactly how things work and when they don't and told Trump , look you will make nice 3 hole patern in the mountain side but its not going to cut it , penetration will only be at best half way at worst 1/3 . From then onwards is just politics miltary experts or intelligence agencies have no say anymore like Donald said US intel was wrong. Well as you can see guilible can be sold a bridge anyday. PR teams are there to shape reality no matter how fake. Latest one ''ME wars and regime change bad'' , only beacuse we had dumb presidents!?


If i were a betting man i would bet that attack planners presented the odds of penetrating the bedrock, Fordow less than 5% , Esfahan maybe 30% ,Natanz 80% , and after the strikes Natanz is the one i would expect penetrated, rest not so much.

But if you need i am free to consult for a very reasonable fee.

plain speak did not penetrate.

 

[Kamerad]

I'm pointing out facts that discredit your uninformed opinions. I'm not the one speaking in absolutes either. We have common interests and common enemies with Israel, like the one's who've been chanting "Death to America" for almost fifty years.

I'm sure the traders on Wall Street will miss this opportunity to make wheel barrows of cash because Trump told them not to do it.

You’re using weasel words and arguing against yourself. Israel is a scam through and through.

 

[Maggot]

Since about 1,900,000 Arabs, or 20% of the population, live in Israel proper (land they directly control), and since there are eleven non-Jews (I think one or two are Druze) members of the Knesset, and since there have been Arabs on the Knesset since the very first election in 1949, it seems they're incredibly shitty at ethnic cleansing. Some say the worst ever. While the Arabs around Israel have declared they intend to murder every Jew in the Levant; Israel has never said it wanted to do anything but peacefully exist with them.

Why don't you look up how many Jews live in Gaza, The West Bank, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Syria (there are some in Jordan), or for that matter how many Christians exist in those countries. There are some, but their numbers have been dropping since the 1950s in every one of them as they are completely persecuted and murdered often. They are never full citizens with full rights, but Dhimmis. An Arab Israeli has the exact same rights as a Jewish one. There is no difference in the courts or anywhere else.

While it's true that many Canaanites did flee in 1948, there was never a program to remove them, and the Jews let everyone stay who wanted to stay despite everything that was going on at the time. Indeed, the success of the Mossad has to be largely laid at the feet of those two million Arabs who serve in both the military and intelligence branches of their government. There is no way they could so effectively infiltrate and surveil their enemies without them.

These sorts of statements of moral equivalence are false on their face. There are plenty of real reasons to dislike many cultures. Ones that keep to themselves and resist integration certainly not withstanding. Obviously you are free to not give a fuck or hate anyone you want, but it should at least be somewhat based in reality.

I would never argue that our alliance with Israel has been a 50%/50% proposition, but rather it has been based on shared interests and shared enemies. Without relitigating history, anyone who thinks if we kicked Israel to the curb today all our enemies in the ME would suddenly stop wanting to kill us is crazy. It's religious and ideological, not practical. Never was.

If they had not stolen the land to begin with this problem would never had started and we wouldnt be dealing with it now. Disobeying your God never has a positive outcome.

 

[Maggot]

You’re using weasel words and arguing against yourself. Israel is a scam through and through.

Its a rogue state, in direct disobedience to their God. No good can come from that.

 

[Fig]

If they had not stolen the land to begin with this problem would never had started and we wouldnt be dealing with it now. Disobeying your God never has a positive outcome.

You seriously need to study the Bible if you think you're a Christian. Their disobedience was in Joshua and Judges, not in God granting the land to the descendants of Abraham. They disobeyed because they did not obliterate the Canaanites after God secured their victory at Jericho. They have been punished ever since by the very people they spared. Truth.

 

[Maggot]

You seriously need to study the Bible if you think you're a Christian. Their disobedience was in Joshua and Judges, not in God granting the land to the descendants of Abraham. They disobeyed because they did not obliterate the Canaanites after God secured their victory at Jericho. They have been punished ever since by the very people they spared. Truth.

You need to dig a bit deeper. I was speaking of later on when he dispersed them to live among the nations of the world, having no homeland on earth. Truth So having an earthly homeland is in direct disobedience. They were to have prophets, they demanded a King so they got..Saul (crazy), David (disobedience), Solomon who broke the treasury with hs buildings.

The prophets spoke extensively about the scattering and regathering of the Jewish people. Jeremiah prophesied, "I will scatter them also among the nations, whom neither they nor their fathers have known" (Jeremiah 9:16). Yet, he also foretold a future restoration: "I will bring them back to this place and let them live in safety" (Jeremiah 32:37).

The only question is, is this current nation state the new Zion? I would say no, this is a worldly effort, not God's order. If it were his order, then they would live in 'safety' not what we're now seeing. This is purely Zionism, not true Judaism. Perhaps you think you know more than an Orthodox Rabbi.

 

[232593]

"I will scatter them also among the nations, whom neither they nor their fathers have known" (Jeremiah 9:16). Yet, he also foretold a future restoration: "I will bring them back to this place and let them live in safety"

That restoration was already fulfilled in the Old Testament.

 

[Fig]

Those Hasidics preaching that are considered apostates by the vast majority of Jews. We have tons of fucky, cultist, Christians ourselves who believe all sorts of crazy shit that goes directly against the Bible.

These are the same Rabbis (Pharisees and Sadducees) who were expecting a conquering general on a white horse, and not some destitute street preacher. Their predictive track record based on Torah is as bad or worse than our own. God has a great sense of irony.

 

[Fig]

That restoration was already fulfilled in the Old Testament.

Based on the events foretold in Revelation I'd say it's hardly going be be peaceful now or in the future.

 

[cas6969]

Based on the events foretold in Revelation I'd say it's hardly going be be peaceful now or in the future.

Or in the past.

So what any books say are as relevant as the location of the furniture in the room.

 

[Maggot]

That restoration was already fulfilled in the Old Testament.

Show us where it says that.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Show us where it says that.

Show us how you link the bible to Iran getting its shit pushed in for attempting to build nukes?

Your argument is really grasping at delusional thinking.

we are here to help.

 

[vh20]

It is my belief that the War Powers Act is unconstitutional

Exactly. But the law exists, was passed BY Congress, and was followed. Only the SCOTUS can determine it to be unconstitutional, and if it ever is, Congress can only blame themselves. In the meantime, one of us declaring it to be unconstitutional is meaningless. It has been the law of the land for 52 years, has been used by every President since, and has never been seriously challenged (case taken before SCOTUS). Then there's the whole argument than an Act of war is not the same as a Declaration of war. I was just pointing out that when you stated flatly before that this attack was unconstitutional, current law does not agree, and that's what we've been going by for the last 52 years. That's a LOT of precedent.

 

[Maggot]

Those Hasidics preaching that are considered apostates by the vast majority of Jews. We have tons of fucky, cultist, Christians ourselves who believe all sorts of crazy shit that goes directly against the Bible.

These are the same Rabbis (Pharisees and Sadducees) who were expecting a conquering general on a white horse, and not some destitute street preacher. Their predictive track record based on Torah is as bad or worse than our own. God has a great sense of irony.

And that, the perversion of the Gospels into what ever suits one's delusion, is exactly why I dont refer to myself as a 'Christian."

Did I accept Christ as Lord and Savior? Yep
Did I receive the Holy Spirt of Truth? Yep

Can I go along with what I see in the church today? Nope. If I ever encounter a church where there is true power, and not mealy mouthed recitations, or out right delusion, I might become interested, but i just dont see that.

 

[Maggot]

Show us how you link the bible to Iran getting its shit pushed in for attempting to build nukes?

Your argument is really grasping at delusional thinking.

we are here to help.

I never said that, youre really a dumb ass, and if youre 'help' I'll pass.

 

[vh20]

I am quite certain they know exactly how things work and when they don't and told Trump

That was my point. whatever the outcome, it was well-known beforehand and It was factored into the decision. If they knew it couldn't penetrate, then the objective of the operation was something else.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I never said that, youre really a dumb ass, and if youre 'help' I'll pass.

Its okay I know its a hard concept to grasp. I expect you to not understand.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Fair enough. So the original suggestion above (the one to which I replied) that Israel would ask for a couple of these B1s or B2s is quite impractical, if not toltaly ridiculous...

Unless, of course, they want us to do the work and fly the missions for them. NFW! I can accept what's happened so far as a "one time hit."
But no more.

With you not knowing how the system works, I'd say impractical as hell.
If you were prior AF, then ridiculous would be an understatement.

 

[232593]

Show us where it says that.

Ezra-Nehemiah

 

[W54/XM-388]

Here is the real reason we bombed Iran.





Iran does not participate in the global banking system dominated by Western central banks, which some conspiracy theories associate with the Rothschild banking family

Well since you went down that rabbit hole...

Something about us going to war with Iraq again right after Saddam announced they would take Euros and other currency in exchange for oil.

Something about us stabbing our new buddy Gadhafi in the back (right after he like made peace and was letting the CIA build a base right next to the police headquarters), shortly after he announced plans for a new gold based Arab/African currency...

 

[Mr.BR]

That was my point. whatever the outcome, it was well-known beforehand and It was factored into the decision. If they knew it couldn't penetrate, then the objective of the operation was something else.

Preformative act to sate the warhawks to pass is big beautiful bill and get the foreign parasite the off ramp to declare victory, like you know the time when Trump bombed imaginary Syrian WMD after a AQ staged event and they droped like 52 tomahawks onto a single building and its parking lot and declare victory

In any case waiting for some further kabuki , like US evacuated bases , being struck by the Iranians remeniscent of the time of Sulemani killings. and US not responding as its a rigged game

 

[232593]

 

[culater]

 

[Slash0311]

Smoke and prayers to our military in that AO.

 

[theLBC]

i hear iran is attacking bases in qatar, and perhaps syria as well.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

i hear iran is attacking bases in qatar, and perhaps syria as well.

Yep. 6 missiles at Qatar, all claimed intercepted. Is what I am hearing.

 

[tightInThePants]

Well since you went down that rabbit hole...

Something about us going to war with Iraq again right after Saddam announced they would take Euros and other currency in exchange for oil.

Something about us stabbing our new buddy Gadhafi in the back (right after he like made peace and was letting the CIA build a base right next to the police headquarters), shortly after he announced plans for a new gold based Arab/African currency...

Has anyone ever looked at those exchange rate charts? They look strange.

 

[BoilerUP]

Aircraft at Al Udeid were repositioned to other bases days ago.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[vh20]

Preformative act to sate the warhawks to pass is big beautiful bill and get the foreign parasite the off ramp to declare victory, like you know the time when Trump bombed imaginary Syrian WMD after a AQ staged event and they droped like 52 tomahawks onto a single building and its parking lot and declare victory

In any case waiting for some further kabuki , like US evacuated bases , being struck by the Iranians remeniscent of the time of Sulemani killings. and US not responding as its a rigged game

I mean the sky is the limit. I won't speculate, you're doing a fine job.

 

[Mr.BR]

I see Iranians adopted same language as US admin

Our attack on Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar does not threaten the sisterly state of Qatar.




Everyone talking BS , we just bombed you but not realy ,so make peace now

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Apparntly somthing at Iraq

Sirens going off in Bahrain as well.

 

[Mr.BR]

I mean the sky is the limit. I won't speculate, you're doing a fine job.

Well it seems Kabuki just kicked off , the bases under attack were evacuated days ago

Now it you want a hatrick on predictions US will not respond to having its bases bombed.


US-Iranian action at the moment ,plenty of audio visuals , less kinetic

 

[Holliday]

NO!

 

[lariat]

Well since you went down that rabbit hole...

Something about us going to war with Iraq again right after Saddam announced they would take Euros and other currency in exchange for oil.

Something about us stabbing our new buddy Gadhafi in the back (right after he like made peace and was letting the CIA build a base right next to the police headquarters), shortly after he announced plans for a new gold based Arab/African currency...

And now there is BRICS, so it is war we will have. I have been saying this for a while; it really can't be any other way. Even that I suspect is part of a greater plan.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

Has anyone ever looked at those exchange rate charts? They look strange.

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This book is a must read for anyone that wants to begin to understand how the world actually works. And if you read between the lines, it is quite religious and lines up with the Bible perfectly.

Link.

 

[BoilerUP]

I know the reputation the NY Times has around here, but...

 

[Maggot]

Ezra-Neh

Ezra-Nehemiah

All I see is a couple of names. Lets see the quote.

 

[Maggot]

Its okay I know its a hard concept to grasp. I expect you to not understand.

Its not a matter of my understanding, or not, its a matter of youre being a shit stirring idiot with a small, damaged ego, that cannot admit when its wrong. Carry on.

 

[theLBC]

of course i don't know what this is...

 

[vh20]

I know the reputation the NY Times has around here, but...

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That's the way this game has been played before, so it follows. Will be interesting to see how much further it goes.

 

[theLBC]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Its not a matter of my understanding, or not, its a matter of youre being a shit stirring idiot with a small, damaged ego, that cannot admit when its wrong. Carry on.

Obsession has and oder
tunnel vision has a tell
fanatical behavoir....
missed the point and dulled the point as well.

Fixate on what you think you know
You're missing what you don't, though
Crazy wouldn't notice
Have a lonely life in your chosen hell

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I see Iranians adopted same language as US admin

Our attack on Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar does not threaten the sisterly state of Qatar.




Everyone talking BS , we just bombed you but not realy ,so make peace now
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That is actually what Japan thought would happen.

If they destroyed the U.S. fleet and extended their outer perimeter defenses to Guam, Philippine islands. Etc… the U.S. would see how hopeless It was going to war and would make peace and resume trade.

Pretty much a total failure of intelligence (and an ability to understand/emphathize with their enemy.). Most of the high command and political leadership was convinced this would work.

Only Yamamoto (who devised and led the attack) demurred and tried to convince the leadership that this was folly. Ultimately he was told to plan and execute or risk being court martialed… which would have meant death.

Remember his famous words: “for six months to a year, I will run supreme over the Pacific. After that I promise nothing.” (Paraphrased).

So the meme is actually closer than folks think!

We, on the other hand, have no illusions that the religion of Peace types will pursue anything but martyrdom.

Come to think of it, so did the Nips!

Sirhr

Edit. And remember only Yamamoto had spent real time in America. Supposedly as a student at Harvard, but there’s no record. He ever took a single class instead he traveled around America and saw our industrial base and power and came away convinced that Japan could never ever go to war with America and hope to win. Seems like that student visa was a good bet!! if only his bosses had listened to him.

 

[Holliday]