Iran go boom
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Well, the overriding one is a clear and present danger to our interests and our citizens.
In the mid 1998, just before the Embassy bombings, the Agency tracked Osama to a hunting camp called Tarnak Farms. They could have bombed, commando'd, snatched or put cruise missiles on him and smoked him before Al Qaeda really took off. Clinton's cabinet dithered. We ended up with 20 years of war. (yeah, yeah, I know, George Bush and the Jews knocked down the Twin Towers and Osama had nothing to do with it... I heard...)
The mission was called off because some third-tier Emirates prince had his plane parked at the airport and noone wanted to risk pissing off some Trucial State royal family by accidentally killing or traumatizing a third-rate princeling supposedly just there hunting lions. (I am sure no briefcases of cash were there whatsoever.)
If there was one (or a few dozen) things we should have learned from the last century, it's that pre-emption has its place. The problem with it is that when you preempt something, you can't go "Look what we stopped." Because "it" doesn't happen. Or something else does. And everyone says "see, your hit did no good."
As much as the political hacks on the 7th floor of Langley and the Hoover building piss me off. The organizations do know what they are doing. In addition, they work to try and make sure successes are kept quiet but allow failures to leak out. Because looking like Keystone Cops is a sure way to make sure your enemy doesn't know if you are good or not.
We will probably never know exactly how close the Mullah's were. But I am quite convinced they were close. It was an engineering problem at this point. There have been enough sources (including UN and IAEA which is anything but a shill for the US and Israel) And I posted a few weeks ago that I thought they might explode a weapon by July 1 (and some others smartly posted back that they might do their test on 9/11). Regardless. We aren't going to know how close they are. Because now they aren't close.
As for 'well China or Russia or the Norks could just give them an atom bomb' and they could use it. Not hardly. The fissionable material in such a weapon can be traced not just to the country that made it... but to which corner of a very large reactor produced it! Analysis of the fallout materials would instantly say "Chinese Weapon. Russian Weapon. Nork Weapon." Making that an act of war by one of those countries.
Last, yup, Israel may or may not have bombs. They have never tested one. If they have the several hundred that it is presumed they have... then it is unlikely that any have "American" material in them at this point. That may have been the case in the 1960's when it is 'assumed' that either the US gave them material. Or the Israeli's managed to smuggle out... something... and process it. At this point, they are in violation of saying "We neither confirm nor deny we have atomic weapons." While we all know they have them... if they haven't tested, deny they have them and noone can (or will) prove otherwise... then what do you do to them? They have not sat around and said "We will nuke anyone." Unlike the Mullah's... who have been saying since 1979 that they will get a bomb and use it.
Don't forget Saddam and Osirak, too. The Israeli's did a hell of a job ending that threat... Oh yeah, and we publically condemned the Israeli's. While the whole ME danced in quiet.
So after a night of reflection... I think we probably did the right thing. Now, if we can just sit back and avoid the urge to "Nation Build" or get into regime changing... when it is the job of the Iranian People to Regime Change and build 'back' a nation that was the most advanced in the region in 1979 when it got dialed back 700 years or so because of the Religion of Peace.
As for everyone whining about Trump and saying how bad he is... Reagan used to say "A man who is 80 percent my friend and 20 percent my enemy is still my friend." We are a very independent-minded nation and we all have opinions and worldviews and preferences and prejudices and personal goals, etc. We are NEVER going to find anyone who is 100 percent with us as President. Or Senator. Or General. Or commentator. Or, for that matter, as fellow members of Snipers Hide. And if everyone 'was' in complete agreement, the place would be really boring or we would be victims of some seriously good propaganda.
So I'll happily say that I am still sort of split on whether this was good or bad. But leaning towards the good. And even if I did decide that this was a YUGE mistake at some point... I'm still going to be in the 80 percent good camp... and support a guy who is a real tonic after 8 years of Bush, 8 years of Obama and 4 years of a drooling potato with an autopen and a whole office full of compromised commie scum.
Still waiting for the post-strike photos. Be nice to run some of our 'national technical means' that detect radiation to see how well the enriched material is buried. 300 feet of rock is not a bad radiation blocker. Of course they have a 3,000 year history over there of burrowing into tombs to loot them. So you never know... they might already have 10-year olds with picks and shovels pretending to mine Lithium digging their way to find some chunks of U235...
Well, I had extra bacon this morning. I am doing my part for America.
Sirhr
A lot of those cells I bet are here in Dearborn MI.
Dint bother to watch it. I have little regard for those who always have to be right. Even when theyre not.
Technically, what we had was a chart that showed if the economy had kept going on (during the dot com bubble and an inflated Wall St.) the way it was, we would have had a surplus in something like 10 years.
There was NOT a surplus or a balanced budget. Just a bunch of CBO numbers (Designed to help Al Gore get elected) that gave the illusion of financial stability IF the greatest bubble since 1929 had managed to keep going forward. That bubble popped in April 2000 when tax liabilities came due and dot coms started to auger in. Enron's collapse was the next nail in the coffin. And 9/11 blew the whole thing out of the water.
But that's ok, a housing bubble propped things up with 5th mortgages and massive paper trading until the economy needed to be collapsed again in 2008 to elect Barry... and also to reset everyone's 401K and leave investors holding another bag.
It was a nice thought... but was a chimera. Probably the last period of no debt and balanced budget was under... Eisenhower? Truman? If it was under Eisenhower, that was a bubble, too, wasn't it? Albiet propped up by America's manufacturing prowess and a world needing our steel, cars, tractors, machine tools, communications equipment, etc. But it was unsustainable... as history proved.
Cheers!
Sirhr
Now that we have been dragged into another senseless war that we are fighting on Israel's behalf, a war that has no benefits and all downsides to the USA, I'll reiterate what I said in the other thread.
The largest threat to the USA is not China. It's not Russia. It's not North Korea or Iran. It's Israel.
The largest threat to the USA is not China. It's not Russia. It's not North Korea or Iran. It's Israel.
And your scenario just may come to fruition.....................
Nations prepared to arm Iran with nuclear warheads after US strikes, Russia’s Medvedev claims
This resonates with me. The fact is, Iran actively sponsors lots of terrorist organizations. They don’t hate the west any more now, than before their dose of vitamin B. If Trump’s strike is a prelude to another GWOT, then all the sound critiques apply. If not, it’s a low cost attitude correction.
US 'obliterates' Iran's nuclear sites, Tehran says 'war starts now'
The US president was set to meet with his national security team on Saturday evening. He previously stated that he would delay a decision on US involvement in the conflict for up to two weeks.
www.euronews.com
Our founding fathers had this pretty well sorted out. Reread GWs farewell speech.
Don't get entangled in foreign alliances, trade with everyone.
Again I am referring to our national debt.
You say don't finance shit you can't afford while simultaneously advocate for bombing foreign countries while we sit with 37,000,000,000,000 of debt.
Pick one.
I've never struck a woman. You tell me.
100 percent correct.
Iran would be stupid to not make a nuke. Pakis and Indians both have them. It’s an ultimate deterrent.
This whole thing was planned years in advance and Trump went along with it. He gave them a whole bunch of time to knock it off but the Iranians don’t want to for obvious reasons. So they get to be made an example of.
fixed that for ya. trump was just the president we had at the time. pretty sure this kinda stuff comes from above his pay grade.
You might be reffering to it, but your have no real understanding of what it is. Not the federal gov debt/deficit... National debt.
Do you have things financed, like your home, vehilces etc.
If you do, you are contributing to the Nation Debt. So you are complaining about something you your self are likely doing.
I get the constant hand wringing, criticizing imperfect actions, and especially motivations. We forget that many potential problems of yesteryear were preemptively solved by direct action folks with limited moral codes who walked away from cooling bodies in roadside ditches without a second thought. We lionize these folks in social media, and at the same time support charities to help them reintegrate with us “normal people”. It’s a tangled web we weave.
No actually it's us American Voters because we vote for it over and over. Despite all the pearl clutching, meme posting and screeching on here I bet when you walk outside into the real world very few people are going to give a fuck.
US 'obliterates' Iran's nuclear sites, Tehran says 'war starts now'
The US president was set to meet with his national security team on Saturday evening. He previously stated that he would delay a decision on US involvement in the conflict for up to two weeks.
Oh. No. I'm terrified. Swimming in rivers of our own blood. Allah will strike us down. The great Satan will burn blah, blah, blah...
*yawn*
That ship sailed...
And I am pretty sure that the Big Noses will take out the head Mullah after the hospital strike. They have already said he is going to go.
In the mean time, here at home we have leftist Harvard transvestites shooting politicians, schools and burning down cities and threatening to shoot up legislatures. As well as politicians and swamp bureaucarats doing their best to undermine our Consitution and government and doing it right out in the open. Clear and present danger? I'm more worried about that one at this point.
Sirhr
Whole shit show seems to have been manipulated to kick off by Palantir
Donnie is is being played buying Palantir tools to surveil US citizens. We will see predictive AI used to bust down your door without someone calling in a SWATing in matter of years if not months.
ddgeopolitics.substack.com
Sure you can be sceptical , but just a taught for the hamster between your ears.
Given the history of Trump-Iran kabuki theatre, kung-fu air fighting .One has to consider the possibility that strike was mostly a preformative act with little to no effect on a nuclear program that migh not exist .
Given that strikes are not ongoing and repetitive, i would almost bet money its a performative action to get warhawks and foreign parasite running US to went some pressure.
Frodow is 90m deep at shallow end at least 500m deep at where centrifuges are strikes look like they are on the hill side so thick end , Those things did not come even remotely close to penetrate it,
There are basic physics that do not favor bunker busters at all.GBU-57 A/B is believed to be able to penetrate about 200 feet (61 meters) if the surface hit is perpedicular to the strike ,so would need to be capable of 800-900% more than it is , bunker buster track record are poor they always underpreformed, or rather they have been fraudulently advertised , if they used them on the shallow entrances even there efficacy would be marginal ,dropin them on sloped hillside drasticaly cuts already marginal penetration ..Assuming Iran's engineers took some basic precautions ,blast impulse is relatively easy to diffuse to levels where there will be no damage
A 45 degree turn in tunnels diffuse a blast wave by 50%. 4 x 45 degree turns will reduce blast pressure to 6.25% Add a 45 degree stairway going downwards and the blast is 3.125% at the end of that stairway . And we are not even talking any blast doors or vents, just tunnel geometry.
To make up for such a loss of pressure, the weight of the explosives has go up exponentialy for each 45 degree turn in the tunnel, you quickly run out of payload capacty of a B2 .Limited capability of GBU-57 would have US runing multiple strikes over multiple days to have a chance of getting trough the bed rock.
Like said odds of GBU57 working at FORDOW are next to nothing.
Grain of salt but US-Iran and Iran-US actions have for many years been of extremely preformative in nature ,trying real hard to avoid casualties and retaliation spiraling into a shooting war while sating the warmongers.
Like said its hard to know too many impulsive turns and some smoke and mirrors in US- international affairs these days.
Who knows
''BIG: High-ranking Iranian source tells @amwajmedia that Trump team gave advance notice of bombings of nuclear sites and insisted they're intended as "one-off". Signs of Trump seeking repeat of Jan 2020 (Soleimani killing=>symbolic Iranian retaliation).''
Donnie is is being played buying Palantir tools to surveil US citizens. We will see predictive AI used to bust down your door without someone calling in a SWATing in matter of years if not months.
The AI That Triggered a War: How Palantir and the IAEA Fueled Israel’s Strike on Iran
A $50M software built for counterinsurgency now steers nuclear diplomacy... and may have lit the fuse for a regional war.
ddgeopolitics.substack.com
Sure you can be sceptical , but just a taught for the hamster between your ears.
Given the history of Trump-Iran kabuki theatre, kung-fu air fighting .One has to consider the possibility that strike was mostly a preformative act with little to no effect on a nuclear program that migh not exist .
Given that strikes are not ongoing and repetitive, i would almost bet money its a performative action to get warhawks and foreign parasite running US to went some pressure.
Frodow is 90m deep at shallow end at least 500m deep at where centrifuges are strikes look like they are on the hill side so thick end , Those things did not come even remotely close to penetrate it,
There are basic physics that do not favor bunker busters at all.GBU-57 A/B is believed to be able to penetrate about 200 feet (61 meters) if the surface hit is perpedicular to the strike ,so would need to be capable of 800-900% more than it is , bunker buster track record are poor they always underpreformed, or rather they have been fraudulently advertised , if they used them on the shallow entrances even there efficacy would be marginal ,dropin them on sloped hillside drasticaly cuts already marginal penetration ..Assuming Iran's engineers took some basic precautions ,blast impulse is relatively easy to diffuse to levels where there will be no damage
A 45 degree turn in tunnels diffuse a blast wave by 50%. 4 x 45 degree turns will reduce blast pressure to 6.25% Add a 45 degree stairway going downwards and the blast is 3.125% at the end of that stairway . And we are not even talking any blast doors or vents, just tunnel geometry.
To make up for such a loss of pressure, the weight of the explosives has go up exponentialy for each 45 degree turn in the tunnel, you quickly run out of payload capacty of a B2 .Limited capability of GBU-57 would have US runing multiple strikes over multiple days to have a chance of getting trough the bed rock.
Like said odds of GBU57 working at FORDOW are next to nothing.
Grain of salt but US-Iran and Iran-US actions have for many years been of extremely preformative in nature ,trying real hard to avoid casualties and retaliation spiraling into a shooting war while sating the warmongers.
Like said its hard to know too many impulsive turns and some smoke and mirrors in US- international affairs these days.
Who knows
''BIG: High-ranking Iranian source tells @amwajmedia that Trump team gave advance notice of bombings of nuclear sites and insisted they're intended as "one-off". Signs of Trump seeking repeat of Jan 2020 (Soleimani killing=>symbolic Iranian retaliation).''
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I own, but nice try.
But let's posit that I didn't.
What's the the largest line items in our budget for the last 23 years and how does that compare to the line items contributed from private consumer financing, and how does that then roll up to our current national debt?
Number answers only. I'll wait.
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And did you finance your home and vehicles? Noticed you avoided that. Sucks getting called out doesn't it.
I don't jump through hoops, thats your job.
That's what I thought.
I'll leave it to the rest of the eyes reading this thread but I vote you are literally a retard who believes the US baseline state of affairs should be to bomb foreign countries when they don't do what we want and that somehow private consumer financing has contributed anything remotely measurable to our national debt when compared to 23 years of debt financing global terror wars.
If I could change your forum nickname it would be "The Hide's Slower and Gayer John Bolton Fan Club Organizer"
The vast majority of Americans are too dumb to understand what the national debt actually is, where it came from, and why it continues to exist. They think it's possible to have all the stuff they want without sacrificing anything on their end, just cut stuff that goes to other people. So the politicians get together and say fuck it, just keep spending, that way everyone gets more or less what they want and we'll kick the can 20 years down the road.
People bitching about military adventurism well duh, we spend 800-900bil a year on our military you think we're not going to use it? Something hammer something looks like a nail.
Meanwhile every generation of Americans is fatter and stupider than the last. We're going to look like Wall-E people in 50 years.
Those pilots must have bladders of steel.
I'm not really rooting for either side, either.
I see this recent action by the USA as a 50/50 risk/reward move.
In the past, it has always been the MIC controlled USA impeding Israel from doing a thorough enough job against their enemies. The MIC never wanted to completely deescalate tensions in the ME, because their gravy train would dry up.
This time, the USA has actually aided Israel in dealing with one of its enemies. We shall see what happens going forward.
“Posed no threat to us.” Just how stupid are you and Dave smith? Iran has been shouting about death to the US for a long time now.
Satellite Imagery Flags "Unusual Activity" At Iran's Fordow Nuclear Site Days Before U.S. Strike | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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interesting times. i don't esp care for these bombings. is another "special military operation". but i can see the other side on that. Iran is an enemy, not our friend so. my concerns are 1) the embedded cells OBiden let in. they won't all be Persian Shia plenty from everywhere likely. not very sure FBI,DOJ,ICE and CIA are up to handling them. 2) Trumps says no regime change. prob BS,but if so,there are plenty of members of the Graham club that will push for it. plenty of Israeli owned types in gov to push hard for it and might be able to sell it to Trump and the people. 3) if that happens,we have to put troops in Iran. no war has ever been won from the air or sea. yes,Japan '45. to get that far ground troops were obviously used. but that was a nuc outlier. 4) Iran attacks our ME bases which have always kinda been bait. am sure our neocon/MIC loves that. they give a shit about US mil deaths. can you say Vietnam? is Iran that crazy? 5) very real possibility of a 9/11 (or 10/7) like false flag,which both CIA and Mossad are fully capable of and would not hesitate on if that was thought good for the agenda.
I think he actually directly talks about that weak argument in a recent podcast.
Good Kill is a decent film about this time...about some guy based in las vegas operating drones in the middle east.He droned a few Americans. Including a minor. The left thought it was all dreamy.
Killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki - Wikipedia
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But droning an America minor was definitely pushing the bounds of due process, though they claimed it was an accident. He was hit days after his AlQaeda leader father.
Not that I shed any tears for the little wizard. But American born shitbags are supposed to get different due process from foreign born shitbags.
Sirhr
first blood was some time ago...
www.foxnews.com
Iran official admits country’s role in terror bombing that killed 241 US military members: report
After years of silence about its reported role in the massacres of U.S. Marines, diplomats and personnel in 1983, a senior Iran official publicly acknowledged Iranian regime terrorism.
www.foxnews.com
They take pills that make them constipated, I think they might have catheters like race car drivers too. Nobody wants to shit in that chemical toilet and then smell it for 18hrs.
I bet they had a case of pi$$ bottles stuck under those E-seats! Heck. Maybe one of them was an ex-trucker, and ran a tube w/funnel down thru the bomb racks? Pre-lubed those MOP's before jettison. Mac
Very well said. Thank you…seriously.
I expressed similar thoughts to my wife and kids, as well as a few close friends via text last night, though not nearly as eloquently, nor with the detailed “walk the dog” approach in your post. I know confirmation bias is a real thing, but seeing the way you explained what’s going on is helpful to me, and fills in the gaps in my logic.
So again, thank you!
My only real concern remains sleeper cells or some surprise capability (EMP?) for which we haven’t fully prepared ourselves. As I mentioned in the other thread though, I have to believe we’re proactively taking care of that risk…must believe as a matter of fact, otherwise you’ll drive yourself into a corner with doubt and fears.
I know there’s a lot of deep state scum in the three-letter agencies, but there are even more patriots…most of them really smart people with tools and resources we don’t have who have been tracking down these threats for a very long time. I like your take on hiding our successes while touting the failures to make ‘the enemy’ (whatever that means) overconfident.
Hope that’s the case here, I truly do.
Satellite photos: See before and after images of bombing at Iran nuke site Fordow
The strikes appear to have blocked several tunnel entrances leading into the underground facility with debris and dirt, per Maxar.
www.newsnationnow.com
i've asked this question on here many times. our hawks never seem to answer. what about Islamic Pakistan? they are not our buds. So.Africa was said to have them (via Israel) before the Mandela take over. i am sure many democrats would have been good with bombing SA to protect the baboons. these issues are complex,never have a clear solution,always have several poss outcomes and aren't solved with the common macho posturing. all we can hope for is to have leaders (rulers) who are wise or lucky enough to get it right. our record on that is abysmal.
And a coffee pot and a tiny, tiny kitchenette.
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