Is something going on in Ukraine?

[LRRPF52]

Sub Texas economy and more interested in personal enrichment and the decadence of the oligarchs.

If they ever got their shit together and truly commercialized their resources they would be a powerhouse.

Sadly corruption and secrecy runs deep from having lived a history in extremis.

Right now, up until the Ukraine war, was about as good as it gets for them.

Had “Z Puppet” not been turning the eastern side of the country into some shelled WWI hellscape since 2014 guessing Putin would have been happy with his one Black Sea port.

Agree on everything up to Z. Zelesnky wasn’t the president in 2014.

Viktor Yanukovych (Putin’s puppet) Feb 2010- Feb 2014
Oleksandr Torchynov Feb 2014 - June 2014
Petro Poroshenko June 2014 - May 2019
Vlodomyr Zelensky May 2019 - present

Putin had his surrogate forces, including the Neonazi Night Wolves motorcycle gang and Wagner mercenaries, start killing people in Donbas region after Putin’s puppet boyar (Yanukovych) was ousted in March, 2014.

That was used as a pretext for the initial invasion of Donbas in 2014. Russia has spent centuries moving ethnic Russians into Donbas and Crimea, because of the strategic significance of these areas.

Russia has also removed millions of ethnic Ukrainians, to include sending Ukrainian Infantry Divisions to fight in the Winter War of 1939-1940 against Finland, to knock out 2 birds with 1 stone. That was after the Holodomor from 1932-1933. The communist Bolsheviks also murdered Russian ethnic farming families known as the Kulaks as an intentional campaign since Lenin.

 

[Darayavaus]

I didn’t attack you, I attacked Mitt Romney.

He is a piece of shit.

Was this an admission on your part?

Accept my apologies Mittens.

yep. and the problem is that these people don't just THINK that Russia is still the USSR. It's not just that they are clueless and living in the past.

They WANT Russia to be the USSR. They NEED that fantasy to be true, in order to justify their politics. so they will never stop projecting in order to justify their massive MIT over expenditure and neocon imperialism around the globe. These same people try to wrap themselves in the american flag while repeating the same arguments as America-destroying Soros.

No, don't fall for their bullshit. Our republic was never meant to be an empire.

 

[pmclaine]

yep. and the problem is that these people don't just THINK that Russia is still the USSR. It's not just that they are clueless and living in the past.

They WANT Russia to be the USSR. They NEED that fantasy to be true, in order to justify their politics. so they will never stop projecting in order to justify their massive MIT over expenditure and neocon imperialism around the globe. These same people try to wrap themselves in the american flag while repeating the same arguments as America-destroying Soros.

No, don't fall for their bullshit. Our republic was never meant to be an empire.

I lived in the USSR, Moscow, for 6 months in 1988.

I know what it was…it was a shell, a gray dreary house of cards built on paranoia - paranoia built from centuries of getting fucked by outsiders.

A Hardy good people with a sick govt that built statues to a child that turned his parents in to the commissars.

The Seven Ugly Sisters were the heights of architecture and as an American I had money to buy more Soviet uniforms at their military supply store than their soldiers could afford.

In November I watched them parade military vehicles belching clouds of blue smoke and thought “Yeah quantity had a quality all its own from 43 to 45 but this was a new time if this stuff was going against the west”

Now they have shiny buildings and a nucleus of a middle class. It’s not the Soviet Union and I’d be surprised if anyone under 45 would even consider the return to that mess.

Bush was a dick and Clinton only cared about getting his dick cleaned.

An opportunity was lost.

Now look who is urging kids to turn their parents in…….

 

[LRRPF52]

You do know that the only reason Finland became possible as a country was thanks to Russia? They used to have monuments to Russians that made it possible.

Also, try searching on how many times Russia has been invaded in the past 1000 years, Russians murdered, stolen from etc by variety of European countries vs Russia invading European countries.

I can guarantee that results will surprise you

This is called revisionist history relative to Finland. Finland was part of the Swedish empire (when the world was governed by empires) up until Russia took it as a Grand Duchy in 1809, if that’s what you’re referring to. Finland declared independence when the Russian revolution began, then Finland had its own civil war with the White Nationalist Finns vs the Red Communist retard Finns, who were annihilated.

Russians look at Finland as part of their own nation, which needs to be taken back. Same for the Baltics. In the Central Red Army Museum in Moscow, they have maps showing how the Fascist Finns attacked poor Russia.

I took this picture myself:

This is the history Putin thinks is real. Stalin had Russian artillery fire on a Russian town as a false flag, then claimed Finland did it as a pretext for invading. Russia historically uses false flags as pretexts for invasions, more for the internal propaganda so their own people will feel like they have been attacked.

Russians have a really retarded view of the world in terms of history, almost as uninformed/misinformed as Americans. Because they are surrounded by 20 different nations and peoples, they have to be more familiar with geography. People in the US typically suck not only at international geography, but US geography.


It’s always entertaining to see such impassioned arguments from dudes who literally can’t name 5 major rivers in the US, but they sure know what’s going on in Ukraine because they read Russian propaganda posts on their smartphone.

 

[LRRPF52]

I lived in the USSR, Moscow, for 6 months in 1988.

I know what it was…it was a shell, a gray dreary house of cards built on paranoia - paranoia built from centuries of getting fucked by outsiders.

A Hardy good people with a sick govt that built statues to a child that turned his parents in to the commissars.

The Seven Ugly Sisters were the heights of architecture and as an American I had money to buy more Soviet uniforms at their military supply store than their soldiers could afford.

In November I watched their parade military vehicles belching clouds of blue smoke and thought “Yeah quantity had a quality all its own from 43 to 45 but this was a new time if this stuff was going against the west”

Now they have shiny buildings and a nucleus of a middle class. It’s not the Soviet Union and I’d be surprised if anyone under 45 would even consider the return to that mess.

Bush was a dick and Clinton only cared about getting his dick cleaned.

An opportunity was lost.

Now look who is urging kids to turn their parents in…….

There is no middle class in Russia.

There is the connected political class with layers of boyars, and then the peasants.

Guys like Putin have more money than Elon Musk and Warren Buffet, while peasants living in vandalized and crumbling apartments get $200/mo if they’re lucky.

I lived in Saint Petersburg, near Moscow, and in Obninsk.

 

[Darayavaus]

Not counting those deliberately projecting their wishes, for anyone who might just be dumb (looking at you, brianf) here is something to get you up to speed.

U.S.S.R. or USSR or officially Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
former country 1922–91 in eastern Europe and northern Asia bordering on the Arctic and Pacific oceans and Baltic and Black seas; capital Moscow area 8,649,512 square miles (22,402,236 square kilometers)
NOTE: The Soviet Union, a union of constituent republics (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belorussia, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan), existed from 1922 to 1991 and during that time was the largest country in the world in terms of land area.

first objection: But, but! It was Russia!!!
no, it was a union of republics, of which Russia was one. Many of the worst animals to come out of the USSR were not ethic Russians. The jews were overrepresented. Georgians and Ukrainians were very noteworthy.

second objection: But, but! Russia forced them to be part!
no, the multi-ethnic Party kept control of everything. Status was never a matter of race in the USSR; in fact the preoccupation with race is one of the things they found most objectionable in the Nazis. Status was based on political reliability to the party and the rung they obtained on the party ladder. Never mind trusting or giving special treatment to Russians, the Party didn't even trust the army, which is why there were commissars and a huge rivalry between the KGB and GRU. Furthermore, to draw an apt comparison, the United States has a similar situation- once you come in, you cannot get out. The federal government holds the states in a union, and it will use war to prevent anyone from leaving.

 

[LRRPF52]

From RT. But it does help explain why our weapons and eventually service members will be called into this. The UK and the NATO are not ready for anything near what appears to be coming.

If the US wasn’t putting assets into this it would be over by now because it appears no one else is ready for anything. But they do talk big as long as the US taxpayers are paying for it all.

UK military could run out of ammo in single afternoon – ex-commander

The underfunded UK military could “run out of ammo in a busy afternoon,” an ex-commander has warned

www.rt.com

Russia Today is literally an information warfare entity of the SVR, started by Putin in 2005.

They paid for RT to be on US Television networks from the 2005-forward.

UK actually was one of the first to send weapons to Zelensky, while Biden WH stalled and delayed.

A lot of the talk you hear and see on legacy US media channels about US weapons is mostly talk, without any quick delivery of consequential systems being sent.

There are 2 reasons for that:

1. Biden doesn’t want to cross Putin excessively.
2. US State Department and DoD know that if we delivered fight-stopping systems and longer range weapons, it will escalate the war and increase the likelihood of widespread conflict.

Europe and most in the US want to keep the war contained to Ukraine. A decisive victory would humiliate Putin to his own people, which he won’t accept. Nobody wants to find out if the Uranium One deal warheads actually work.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Putin wanted Zelensky out, not to stay. The SMO was supposed to seize Kiev within 72hr.

Ukraine was under puppet president control until 2014, when the Ukrainian people ousted Yanukovych after 4 months of protesting in all the major cities. The reason they did that was because Yanukovych signed onto Putin’s Russia-Eurasian Economic Pact, in direct violation of 79% of the voters who wanted to trade in Euros.

Putin saw the direction things were headed and knew that if Ukraine was to experience economic growth like Poland, Russia’s influence over Ukraine would not only wither, but Ukraine could approach or rival Russia in GDP.

There wasn’t a coup. That’s Russian propaganda. The people literally threw Yanukovych out with massive Euromaiden protests, signaling they didn’t want to be tied economically with Russia anymore.

That’s when Hunter Biden magically showed up on the board of Burisma the next month.

If you have been studying the region since the 1970s, have lived throughout the area, have studied Russian and Soviet order of battle for decades, and especially Russian history, to include their way of dealing with intelligence and political subterfuge, the picture becomes much clearer.

The timeline damns the Russian propaganda though, and exposes not only what’s happening, but corrupt US politicians who have been involved in it much longer than many would have suspected.

Viktor Shokin was fired to protect Putin’s boyar scheme of fleecing Ukraine of its wealth through energy companies and other intermediaries. Shokin was investigating Burisma, whose CEO was living in exile and being hunted by INTERPOL. Obama stepped in to call off the UK investigators from going after Zlochevsky.

Who was Zlochesvsky? One of Yanukovych’s ministers of the environment and ecology.

Burisma CEO Zlochevsky

Review the timeline and connections and it all unfolds before you.

Putin controlled Yanukovych as a regional governor boyar under the historic Russian system.
Yanukovych appointed his own boyars, Zlochevsky being one of them.
Under Zlochevsky’s management of Burisma, billions went missing.

As soon as this scheme under Putin, Yanukovych, and Zlochevsky was upset with Yanukovych’s ousting, Zlochevsky appointed..............Hunter Biden to Burisma’s board of directors.

Zlochevsky also used his son, Oleksandr, as an intermediary for laundering the money. Oleksandr of course lives in Russia.

Putin was making a killing on stealing billions from Ukraine, while preventing Ukraine from comparable economic growth to other nations like Poland. Ukraine has more resources than Poland, and should have at least matched them for GDP growth from 1990-2014, but they didn’t even come close.

What you start to see is a tight web of Russian oligarchs under Putin, compromised US senior officials like Obama and Biden, all working for the benefit of Putin.

Wait… the 2014 Coup is now Russian propaganda.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Putin wanted Zelensky out, not to stay. The SMO was supposed to seize Kiev within 72hr.

Ukraine was under puppet president control until 2014, when the Ukrainian people ousted Yanukovych after 4 months of protesting in all the major cities. The reason they did that was because Yanukovych signed onto Putin’s Russia-Eurasian Economic Pact, in direct violation of 79% of the voters who wanted to trade in Euros.

Putin saw the direction things were headed and knew that if Ukraine was to experience economic growth like Poland, Russia’s influence over Ukraine would not only wither, but Ukraine could approach or rival Russia in GDP.

There wasn’t a coup. That’s Russian propaganda. The people literally threw Yanukovych out with massive Euromaiden protests, signaling they didn’t want to be tied economically with Russia anymore.

That’s when Hunter Biden magically showed up on the board of Burisma the next month.

If you have been studying the region since the 1970s, have lived throughout the area, have studied Russian and Soviet order of battle for decades, and especially Russian history, to include their way of dealing with intelligence and political subterfuge, the picture becomes much clearer.

The timeline damns the Russian propaganda though, and exposes not only what’s happening, but corrupt US politicians who have been involved in it much longer than many would have suspected.

Viktor Shokin was fired to protect Putin’s boyar scheme of fleecing Ukraine of its wealth through energy companies and other intermediaries. Shokin was investigating Burisma, whose CEO was living in exile and being hunted by INTERPOL. Obama stepped in to call off the UK investigators from going after Zlochevsky.

Who was Zlochesvsky? One of Yanukovych’s ministers of the environment and ecology.

Burisma CEO Zlochevsky

Review the timeline and connections and it all unfolds before you.

Putin controlled Yanukovych as a regional governor boyar under the historic Russian system.
Yanukovych appointed his own boyars, Zlochevsky being one of them.
Under Zlochevsky’s management of Burisma, billions went missing.

As soon as this scheme under Putin, Yanukovych, and Zlochevsky was upset with Yanukovych’s ousting, Zlochevsky appointed..............Hunter Biden to Burisma’s board of directors.

Zlochevsky also used his son, Oleksandr, as an intermediary for laundering the money. Oleksandr of course lives in Russia.

Putin was making a killing on stealing billions from Ukraine, while preventing Ukraine from comparable economic growth to other nations like Poland. Ukraine has more resources than Poland, and should have at least matched them for GDP growth from 1990-2014, but they didn’t even come close.

What you start to see is a tight web of Russian oligarchs under Putin, compromised US senior officials like Obama and Biden, all working for the benefit of Putin.

Burisma is a relatively small company in the oil and gas role… they don’t even bring in the kind of money you quote.

There is not billions to steal.

You are full of it.

Putin doesn’t have the reach u give credit for… not even close

 

[LRRPF52]

Wait… the 2014 Coup is now Russian propaganda.

There was no coup in 2014. That was always Russian propaganda.

Remember the Euromaidan protests? Putin’s puppet, Yanukovych, fled after 4 months of continual revolt from the people.

Why? Because after 79% of them voted for trading with the Eurozone and distancing from Russia, Yanukovych signed onto Putin’s Russia-Eurasian Economic Pact instead.

I’m really interested in how a coup happens against a puppet president as well. Yanukovych fled Kiev with help from Putin.

The next day, 73% of the Ukrainian Parliament voted to impeach him. This was his residence, complete with underground shooting range, fleet of collector cars, 18 hole golf course, private petting zoo, all acquired while he was on a $2000/mo salary. The property was valued at $75 million, but he never explained how he got it, and that "the petting zoo was just there" when he got the property.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

There was no coup in 2014. That was always Russian propaganda.

Remember the Euromaidan protests? Putin’s puppet, Yanukovych, fled after 4 months of continual revolt from the people.

Why? Because after 79% of them voted for trading with the Eurozone and distancing from Russia, Yanukovych signed onto Putin’s Russia-Eurasian Economic Pact instead.

I’m really interested in how a coup happens against a puppet president as well. Yanukovych fled Kiev with help from Putin.

The next day, 73% of the Ukrainian Parliament voted to impeach him. This was his residence, complete with underground shooting range, fleet of collector cars, 18 hole golf course, private petting zoo, all acquired while he was on a $2000/mo salary. The property was valued at $75 million, but he never explained how he got it, and that "the petting zoo was just there" when he got the property.

You need to get hired on as a writer for thriller novels or movies. You missed your calling.

 

[LRRPF52]

Burisma is a relatively small company in the oil and gas role… they don’t even bring in the kind of money you quote.

There is not billions to steal.

You are full of it.

Putin doesn’t have the reach u give credit for… not even close

Billions of Ukrainian Hyrvnia

Well, Yanukovych did the following while in office:

Signed the Russian gas deal
Got rid of Ukraine’s remaining highly enriched Uranium
Declared the Holodomor a famine, not a genocide (absolving Russia)
Stated he wanted Russian to be the official language of Ukraine
Signed the Crimean Russian Naval Base for Gas Treaty with Medvedev, extending the lease for the Russian Black Sea Fleet
Appointed more than half of his ministers from the Donbas region
Established the pro-Russian Berkut secret police force, who attacked, murdered, and imprisoned protestors
Signed the Russia-Ukrainian Action Plan with Putin in Dec, 2013

Putin certainly had almost direct control of what happened in the Ukrainian Presidency under Yanukovych, which is the definition of a puppet.

You don’t know much about the recent history there I see.

Why are you not studying more, instead of posting lies and personal attacks against people who actually know the important facts about this topic?

 

[LRRPF52]

You need to get hired on as a writer for thriller novels or movies. You missed your calling.

You need to spend a few years studying before commenting about things you don’t know about.

There is plenty of information relative to this for you to learn. You clearly have not learned it, so just stop posting already.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

You need to spend a few years studying before commenting about things you don’t know about.

There is plenty of information relative to this for you to learn. You clearly have not learned it, so just stop posting already.

Lol…

Russia lost more income from the destruction of nordstream1 than burisma ever made.

Just because you list things that are 85% factual, doesnt mean I cant see through the 15 that is utter bullshit. Like Burisma have “billions” to steal. That is a 100% lie.

Keep going, you have been the most entertaining on here yet.

 

[LRRPF52]

You can see the results of being ignorant about the key data sets relative to this war.

Many who thought they were patriots and pro-US found themselves cheering for Putin.

Putin owns the Biden family, has been paying them and the Clintons for decades. He contributed $363 million through various intermediaries into the Clinton Global Initiative, when Hillary was SECSTATE, Biden was VP, and comrade Hussein was POTUS.

Because of reading twitter posts of Russian propaganda and overall lack of any real education, you now find yourselves in the camp with the following traitors:

Joe Biden ("You’re not getting the billion dollars unless you fire the prosecutor.")
Hillary Clinton (Brokered the Uranium One deal for Putin’s acquisition of Uranium from US and Canada.)
Bill Clinton (Gave speeches for Russian senior officials after Putin paid for the deal.)
Viktor Yanukovych (convicted of treason and sentenced in absentia after he fled to Russia)
Zlochevsky (CEO of Burisma and Boyar under Yanukovych and Putin.)
Hunter Biden (Son of Biden, used and abused as an intermediary to launder the money flowing into the Biden crime family coffers.)
James Biden (Brother of Joe Biden, used to launder and funnel money into Biden family coffers along with Hunter.)

Many US intelligence officials, Generals, and Admirals have found themselves in similar positions. They initially thought they were working for the US IC, but were in fact working for the Soviets, Chinese, Pakistanis, Israelis, Brits, etc.

 

[LRRPF52]

Lol…

Russia lost more income from the destruction of nordstream1 than burisma ever made.

Just because you list things that are 85% factual, doesnt mean I cant see through the 15 that is utter bullshit. Like Burisma have “billions” to steal. That is a 100% lie.

Keep going, you have been the most entertaining on here yet.

Relevancy. It’s one of the critical thinking pillars in the intellectual standards.

Stop posting, go learn those, then see why your arguments don’t meet the standards.

You’re trying to argue about monetary value worth while ignoring the corruption.

Your position is that because the pilfering of Ukrainian wealth by Putin’s puppets in government and industry isn’t in a monetary value you’re familiar with, then the whole corruption and theft of Ukrainian assets should be ignored, and my entire argument must be thrown out.

This is literally the thought process of a child, not an adult.

Your arguments have been measured, and found completely lacking of substance.

Go retrain yourself in the pillars, then return.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Relevancy. It’s one of the critical thinking pillars in the intellectual standards.

Stop posting, go learn those, then see why your arguments don’t meet the standards.

You’re trying to argue about monetary value worth while ignoring the corruption.

Your position is that because the pilfering of Ukrainian wealth by Putin’s puppets in government and industry isn’t in a monetary value you’re familiar with, then the whole corruption and theft of Ukrainian assets should be ignored, and my entire argument must be thrown out.

This is literally the thought process of a child, not an adult.

Your arguments have been measured, and found completely lacking of substance.

Go retrain yourself in the pillars, then return.

Tell me more about the “ Billions” Putin stole from Burisma… from a company who’s yearly revenue is counted in Millions???

Its horse shit.

 

[lariat]

Russia Today is literally an information warfare entity of the SVR, started by Putin in 2005.

They paid for RT to be on US Television networks from the 2005-forward.

UK actually was one of the first to send weapons to Zelensky, while Biden WH stalled and delayed.

A lot of the talk you hear and see on legacy US media channels about US weapons is mostly talk, without any quick delivery of consequential systems being sent.

There are 2 reasons for that:

1. Biden doesn’t want to cross Putin excessively.
2. US State Department and DoD know that if we delivered fight-stopping systems and longer range weapons, it will escalate the war and increase the likelihood of widespread conflict.

Europe and most in the US want to keep the war contained to Ukraine. A decisive victory would humiliate Putin to his own people, which he won’t accept. Nobody wants to find out if the Uranium One deal warheads actually work.

RT is 100% a propaganda wing. They just happen to put some details in. Only putting it here for general info as I have stated previously, several times. Information only, up to you to determine what’s real and what isn’t. Not looking at what an enemy is saying is myopic at best. Learn to read.

 

[LRRPF52]

Tell me more about the “ Billions” Putin stole from Burisma… from a company who’s yearly revenue is counted in Millions???

Its horse shit.

Burisma wasn’t the only company in Ukraine.

Prosperity Development SA funneled $550 million USD within a single year, between Ukraine, Switzerland, and Panama.

Yuri Boyko, former minister of fuel and energy, funneled $400 million to Latvia.

In the last 6 months of the Yanukovych puppet regime, MAKO (under control of his son Oleksandr Yanukovych), moved $74 million.

This is just some of the corruption people are talking about when referencing Ukraine.

Again, look at Ukraine’s GDP from 1990-2014. It was depressed, while the other Eastern European nations were thriving.

Look at this 2013 article:

Why is there so much Russian money in Cyprus?

It is estimated that about one half to a third of all Cyprus bank deposits are of Russian origin.
The ratings agency Moody's estimates that there is about $31bn (£21bn) of Russian money in Cypriot bank accounts - $12bn from banks and $19bn from businesses and individuals.
Moody's also estimates that about $40bn has been loaned to Russian companies based in Cyprus.

The financial situation of Cyprus was under the microscope because of the EU bailouts. EU started looking at Cyprus’s balance sheets, and saw tens of billions of dollars of Russian money in there, being used for laundering and tax evasion. The first generation of Russian former KGB oligarchs loved using Cyprus as one of their tax and laundering shelters as they pilfered the former Soviet Union of its revenue. Putin replaced all of those oligarchs with ones who were loyal to him when he took over, telling them they could leave or never be involved in politics again. The new oligarchs continued to use the same schemes for their theft and money-laundering, which included robbing Ukraine.

This is one of the many reasons why the people in Ukraine were protesting, and why thy wanted out of Putin’s rule.

You start to see how your opinion is totally invalid, with no merits. All you can do is hurl weak insults without supporting anything coherently.

Again, what is your bias? Do you have any Russian or slav ethnicity in your background?

 

[LRRPF52]

RT is 100% a propaganda wing. They just happen to put some details in. Only putting it here for general info as I have stated previously, several times. Information only, up to you to determine what’s real and what isn’t. Not looking at what an enemy is saying is myopic at best. Learn to read.

I’ve been sifting through RT propaganda since they started. It used to be on the TV, and it stuck out immediately to me because of their accents. I immediately detected Russians with accents, then looked up who owned them. Bam, SVR and Russian State Media Broadcast, started under Putin. They didn’t even try to hide it under some foreign cut-out like they did during the Soviet times with IOJ.

I had just come from living there and seeing Russia-1 (Russia First) all the time, so the delivery and format looked very similar.

If you want another example of RT propaganda, look at what they did with Pierre Sprey and the Joint Strike Fighter program. Total crock of BS, but people believe it to this day. It was very instrumental in getting Trudeau elected in Canada, and delaying Canada’s acquisition of the F-35A, even as Canada had dozens of companies involved in the manufacturing base for F-35s.

Russia didn’t want stealth aircraft with networked sensor arrays operating over the Arctic, so they did everything in their power to sabotage the Royal Canadian Air Force’s plans as high level partners in JSF to actually get the things. Trudeau literally campaigned on cancelling the F-35 acquisition by Canada. What is Trudeau? A communist traitor to Canada who needs to be arrested and prosecuted for treason.

Not once will you see me telling you not to read it, but read it understanding where it comes from and why they are trying to get you to think the way they do. RT has very effective effects in the IO space.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Burisma wasn’t the only company in Ukraine.

Prosperity Development SA funneled $550 million USD within a single year, between Ukraine, Switzerland, and Panama.

Yuri Boyko, former minister of fuel and energy, funneled $400 million to Latvia.

In the last 6 months of the Yanukovych puppet regime, MAKO (under control of his son Oleksandr Yanukovych), moved $74 million.

This is just some of the corruption people are talking about when referencing Ukraine.

Again, look at Ukraine’s GDP from 1990-2014. It was depressed, while the other Eastern European nations were thriving.

Look at this 2013 article:

Why is there so much Russian money in Cyprus?



The financial situation of Cyprus was under the microscope because of the EU bailouts. EU started looking at Cyprus’s balance sheets, and saw tens of billions of dollars of Russian money in there, being used for laundering and tax evasion. The first generation of Russian former KGB oligarchs loved using Cyprus as one of their tax and laundering shelters as they pilfered the former Soviet Union of its revenue. Putin replaced all of those oligarchs with ones who were loyal to him when he took over, telling them they could leave or never be involved in politics again. The new oligarchs continued to use the same schemes for their theft and money-laundering, which included robbing Ukraine.

This is one of the many reasons why the people in Ukraine were protesting, and why thy wanted out of Putin’s rule.

You start to see how your opinion is totally invalid, with no merits. All you can do is hurl weak insults without supporting anything coherently.

Again, what is your bias? Do you have any Russian or slav ethnicity in your background?

Hi,

Again.

Burisma is not a large enough company for Billions to go missing. They DO NOT GENERATE THAT MUCH REVENUE

Sincerly, Jaun

If you are such the master of espionage… you should not have a problem digging up who I am.

 

[pineoak]

RT is VERY effective because they use 98% truth. They tweak little things as needed to nudge people in the direction they want. Much better method than our WaPo & NYT who use 90% lies, so easily ignored. There is Sputniknews.com as well which I believe is a gov mouthpiece.

If you listen to the Russian presentation of facts, it's much simpler, logical, and laid out. They leave out a LOT of details in terms of their long term plans though. Lying through leaving out details.

When I listen to Western media... it's about appealing to emotions, short sightedness, and straight lies.

---

From what Douglas Macgregor describes, Kiev was never a target to be taken. The goal was to encircle Kiev and cut it off from the rest of the country. Supplies, troops, high population for conscription were all cut off from the fight. To take and control the population of a city the size of Kiev would suck up a LOT of resources dealing with controlling an urban center and fighting in that environment.

 

[LRRPF52]

Hi,

Again.

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Burisma is not a large enough company for Billions to go missing. They DO NOT GENERATE THAT MUCH REVENUE

Sincerly, Jaun

If you are such the master of espionage… you should not have a problem digging up who I am.

I already addressed this. Billions of Ukrainian currency. Strange that you keep focusing on that instead of addressing the fact that Putin and his Boyars were pilfering billions of USD from Ukraine when you look at the total amounts from all sources.

Also, why don’t you openly state your biases? I stated mine.

You don’t have to, but it just points out you have something to hide.

It isn’t hidden that you’re trolling for Putin’s cause.

What’s your nationality?

 

[LRRPF52]

RT is VERY effective because they use 98% truth. They tweak little things as needed to nudge people in the direction they want. Much better method than our WaPo & NYT who use 90% lies, so easily ignored. There is Sputniknews.com as well which I believe is a gov mouthpiece.

If you listen to the Russian presentation of facts, it's much simpler, logical, and laid out. They leave out a LOT of details in terms of their long term plans though. Lying through leaving out details.

When I listen to Western media... it's about appealing to emotions, short sightedness, and straight lies.

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From what Douglas Macgregor describes, Kiev was never a target to be taken. The goal was to encircle Kiev and cut it off from the rest of the country. Supplies, troops, high population for conscription were all cut off from the fight. To take and control the population of a city the size of Kiev would suck up a LOT of resources dealing with controlling an urban center and fighting in that environment.

US media are owned by the largest industries in the US market, acting as nothing but advertising agencies for those industries by publishing sensationalist headlines to get eyeballs looking at them. Marketing 101, no real care for informing people. The people are just potential customers for them, nothing more.

Russian media is 100% state propaganda fighting in a space where that’s all they really have, since the US doesn’t do much trade with Russia. Russia is isolated geographically with no real importance to the US, while many things the US does dramatically can affect Russia without the US even realizing it. That’s why they have been so focused on penetration, exploitation, subterfuge, deception, devision within, and being a pain in the US’s side for generations.

Russian leadership knew they could never go toe-to-toe with us after what they saw us give them under Lend-Lease in WWII.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

RT is VERY effective because they use 98% truth. They tweak little things as needed to nudge people in the direction they want.

this is exactly what lrrpf52 is doing. I call it baffling with bull shit.

mention a bunch of legitimate things… then add the bullshit that twists the story. They also call this propaganda.

Like-
-biden is a putin stooge
-The 2014 revolution in kiev was russian propaganda
- or Burisma having billions to steal…

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From what Douglas Macgregor describes, Kiev was never a target to be taken. The goal was to encircle Kiev and cut it off from the rest of the country. Supplies, troops, high population for conscription were all cut off from the fight. To take and control the population of a city the size of Kiev would suck up a LOT of resources dealing with controlling an urban center and fighting in that environment.

they never committed enough troops to hold it indefinitely especially in the face of western intervention.

Putin also miscalculated the wests willingness to step up.

I already addressed this. Billions of Ukrainian currency. Strange that you keep focusing on that instead of addressing the fact that Putin and his Boyars were pilfering billions of USD from Ukraine when you look at the total amounts from all sources.

Also, why don’t you openly state your biases? I stated mine.

You don’t have to, but it just points out you have something to hide.

It isn’t hidden that you’re trolling for Putin’s cause.

What’s your nationality?

If you are a master of espionage, you tell me. I have be more than forthcoming with who I am on this site.

 

[Darayavaus]

If you are a master of espionage, you tell me. I have be more than forthcoming with who I am on this site.

you've quite literally laid it all bare.

 

[LRRPF52]

Biden has been acting on-behalf of the Soviet Union and Russia as soon as he entered the Senate. He visited Leningrad in 1973, then came back with this weird fixation on killing the B-1A Strategic bomber. What does a pedophile young Senator from Delaware and Pennsylvania know about developmental aerospace systems for the USAF or foreign policy? He sure seemed to know a lot after he returned from Leningrad and met with senior Soviet leaders. Who paid for his campaign?



He became the cheerleader in the Senate for cancelling the B-1A Program, which happened as soon as Carter was elected in 1977.

He also worked to stir up racial divisions in the US, co-sponsoring legislation with Southern KKK Grand Master Senators. Why is a Northeast liberal working with Southern Democrats to promote segregation in the 1970s? That was just not a thing in the Northeast Democrat establishment. It was one of the prime directives in the Russian active measures program directed at the US from within. Stir up racial agitation to destabilize the capitalist dogs.

Then once Biden got the B-1A cancelled with Carter, they didn’t cancel it entirely, but said USAF can’t have it, but the flight test schedule and development would continue. Very strange. I’ve been following and was involved in US defense programs since that time, and when they cancel them, that’s usually it. B-1A cancelled in 1977 but still allowed to develop......Tupolev-160 first flight Dec 1981.

The Russians say it’s an entirely domestic design with only coincidental resemblance to the Yankee’s B-1A.

Makes you wonder what’s going on with all the classified documents Biden has been running through multiple residences. What other programs has he compromised? Listen to his own words on the Council for a Livable World. Pavel Sudoplatov exposed the Council for being a Soviet front organization operating in the US, helping to elect politicians into critical offices where they could destroy or hamper US defense programs, and transfer technology to the USSR.


Biden openly praises the Council for getting him elected in 1972 into the Senate, and helping inform him on how to make decisions when he was Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Reagan called him out in the 1980s, saying, “If you ask me, they’re getting their policies from the Kremlin.” People thought Reagan was just joking.

So yeah, Biden in his own words admits to being a long-term asset of the Soviet Union and Russia, using the front group as a cover.

 

[Sako man]

What’s your bias? Your list is doesn’t make the least bit of sense.

I would say don't fall prey to the popular narratives. My list is as relevant as your list, countries we either invaded or intervened in via the CIA, so America is no better. Anyone who thinks modern Russia retains any of it's soviet doctrine needs a civics refresher course on the region. But old habits and thought patterns die hard don't they, especially for children of the cold war, right LRRP?

Well anyhow, good luck with that backwards mentality, as it's probably gonna get a lot more people killed before this entire things is over.

 

[Darayavaus]

this is exactly what lrrpf52 is doing. I call it baffling with bull shit.

mention a bunch of legitimate things… then add the bullshit that twists the story. They also call this propaganda.

absolutely.

he'll start going on about Russian or Soviet history, and I'll be reading it, and it's like ......yeah, nobody ever said otherwise....in fact, nobody even remotely brought that up.....you aren't proving anyone wrong with any of that.....

but then he'll jump to some unconnected conclusion that sounds like it came from Steve P, and act like his unrelated narrative history of cheese production in Kievan Rus somehow connected to the Holodomor, and proved his point about Putin.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

absolutely.

he'll start going on about Russian or Soviet history, and I'll be reading it, and it's like ......yeah, nobody ever said otherwise....in fact, nobody even remotely brought that up.....you aren't proving anyone wrong with any of that.....

but then he'll jump to some unconnected conclusion that sounds like it came from Steve P, and act like his unrelated narrative history of cheese production in Kievan Rus somehow connected to the Holodomor, and proved his point about Putin.

Inferring Biden sold the Russians, the plans for the B1 bomber then fought to cancel it. Zero proof. Congress passed the funding, so did the senate, it was Carter who vetoed it in favor of cruise missiles.

Fails to mention a few months ago Biden parked a couple B-1’s near Russia’s border.

Thinks Biden and Putin are in cahoots…. Zero actual proof.

Calls Hryvnia “ Ukrainian money” dodging his billions claims… nobody on this site talks money outside US dollars with out mentioning it….

 

[Darayavaus]

In the Central Red Army Museum in Moscow, they have maps showing how the Fascist Finns attacked poor Russia.

I took this picture myself:

This is the history Putin thinks is real. Stalin had Russian artillery fire on a Russian town as a false flag, then claimed Finland did it as a pretext for invading. Russia historically uses false flags as pretexts for invasions, more for the internal propaganda so their own people will feel like they have been attacked.

Russians have a really retarded view of the world in terms of history, almost as uninformed/misinformed as Americans. Because they are surrounded by 20 different nations and peoples, they have to be more familiar with geography. People in the US typically suck not only at international geography, but US geography.


It’s always entertaining to see such impassioned arguments from dudes who literally can’t name 5 major rivers in the US, but they sure know what’s going on in Ukraine because they read Russian propaganda posts on their smartphone.

now you screwed up. you've clearly never heard of the Continuation War. Putin thinks it's real, because historians think it's real, because it is real. For all your bombastic bullshit, you just revealed that you are completely ignorant of a major theater of the war on the eastern front, and an incredibly important event in Finland's recent history. And you say you lived in Finland.

for anyone else who cares to read: https://cifile.org/finlands-continu...n-or-defence-war-of-alliance-or-separate-war/

they even killed soviet prisoners of war

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40650407

and as far as your dismissive comment about the Soviets thinking the Finns were fascists...... well, I guess that's what happens when you use the swastika for your national symbol.

Finland's air force quietly drops swastika symbol

The force, which has been using a swastika in its emblem since 1918, said it had caused misunderstandings.

www.bbc.com

 

[Sako man]

absolutely.

he'll start going on about Russian or Soviet history, and I'll be reading it, and it's like ......yeah, nobody ever said otherwise....in fact, nobody even remotely brought that up.....you aren't proving anyone wrong with any of that.....

but then he'll jump to some unconnected conclusion that sounds like it came from Steve P, and act like his unrelated narrative history of cheese production in Kievan Rus somehow connected to the Holodomor, and proved his point about Putin.

Well, to agree with our friend LRRP, and going by the charts and diagrams below, it's obvious the fumes caused by Limburger cheese production in Leningrad from October of 1952 to December of 1959 caused epileptic seizures in young Vladimir Putins limbic system, hence "Limburger" and therefore a cascade of neurological episodes that would drive him towards thoughts of world domination sixty years later. It's all very clear.... yeah.... I mean it's all there, just look at this chart on this wall.

 

[Darayavaus]

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[winxp_man]

 

[winxp_man]

FDR kissed Stalin's ass and let them take Germany and Austria, to which the Soviets promptly genocided over 1 million ethnic Germanic peoples in the Austria-Hungary area. Not to mention they killed millions everywhere they went.
Churchill was a sellout but he tried to fight to keep the Baltics out of Soviet hands and he was anti Soviet, FDR let them have Europe.
The Soviets plans came crashing down when Truman got into office and didn't take any of their shit.

Sounds like the same issues when the heads of powerful nations let hitler come to power to curb stomp communism! yea the world sure is a fucked up place bud!

 

[winxp_man]

yep. and the problem is that these people don't just THINK that Russia is still the USSR. It's not just that they are clueless and living in the past.

They WANT Russia to be the USSR. They NEED that fantasy to be true, in order to justify their politics. so they will never stop projecting in order to justify their massive MIT over expenditure and neocon imperialism around the globe. These same people try to wrap themselves in the american flag while repeating the same arguments as America-destroying Soros.

No, don't fall for their bullshit. Our republic was never meant to be an empire.

If that were truly the case, bitch ass Lenin would have been buried long ago. But they love their red roots formed by bitch Lenin! And the people that are running Russia are still people that have lived during that time and didn’t mind! The USSR was one of the few nations where communism fell because it could not sustain itself. Where as an others shed blood to over throw communism in in their countries. Are statues not enough? You have to spend millions keeping a communist in shape for display? Naaa more to it than that.

 

[winxp_man]

Lol…

Russia lost more income from the destruction of nordstream1 than burisma ever made.

Just because you list things that are 85% factual, doesnt mean I cant see through the 15 that is utter bullshit. Like Burisma have “billions” to steal. That is a 100% lie.

Keep going, you have been the most entertaining on here yet.

Bud you think Biden got involved with no value in the company?

In February 2016, Burisma acquired a 70% stake in KUB-Gas (КУБ-Газ). In 2017, it bought a majority stake in Diloretio Holdings Limited, a company which owned Ukrainian gas companies!!!!! Not company! Companies! All things that come up with a simple search. Research goes a long ways.

 

[Mr.BR]

Well the story of the green screen actor is slowly being unmasked:



Former prime minister Naftali Bennett said in a video published Saturday that Russian President Vladimir Putin assured him, in the early days of the war, that he wouldn’t kill Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky

“He gave me two great concessions,” Bennett said of his March 5, 2022, meeting with Putin, when he flew to Moscow in an effort to mediate shortly after Russia began its invasion.
“I knew Zelensky was under threat, in a bunker… I said to [Putin], ‘Do you intend to kill Zelensky?’ He said, ‘I won’t kill Zelensky,’” Bennett recalled in the interview, which was published on his own YouTube channel.

“I need to understand. Are you giving me your word that you won’t kill Zelensky?” Bennett said he asked Putin.
Bennett said the Russian president repeated: “I won’t kill Zelensky.”

Bennett said he called the Ukrainian president immediately after the three-hour encounter with Putin, and told him, “I’ve just come out of a meeting — [Putin] is not going to kill you.
“[Zelensky] asked me, ‘Are you sure?’ I said 100 percent. [Putin’s] not going to kill you.”
Bennett recalled: “Two hours later, Zelensky went to his office, and did a selfie in the office, [in which the Ukrainian president said,] ‘I’m not afraid.’”

Bennett: Putin assured me at Moscow meeting he wouldn’t kill Zelensky

Ex-PM says Russian president also agreed not to push for Kyiv's disarmament; former premier says everything he did was in coordination with US

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Mr.BR]

Israeli assessments of Ukrainian war casualties also don't quite rhyme with what Pentagon has been spewing out , but that is understandable would not bode well with support for the war, foolks seeing that they are basically cheering for the Ukrainian equivalent fo a human wave , trying to drain Russians of ammo by throwing meat at it while lining the pockets fo global oligarchic cabal with billions in taxpayer money. And its the same folks that gave out assessment Kabul will not fall for at least 6 months months literally days before the fall.

Even though Russian casualties are more than the whole of Afghan war , its a very lopsided fight for Ukraine , millions of artillery shells and extremely limited medical care for the wounded extract huge toll on Ukrainians. Of course as long as billions keep pouring in they will continue to press more bodies into the meatgrinder its great for business.

State as of January 2023
Russian losses in the field ,with 418 thousand soldiers and a growing number of Wagner mercenaries :

18,480 KIA
44,500 WIA
323 POW


The casualties of Ukraine, which fields 734 thousand soldiers (plus 100 thousand reserve soldiers) are as follows:

157,000 KIA (of these cca 34.000 officially declared MIA)
234,000 WIA
17,230 POW
7,800 KIA foreign fighters


Well new laws to get body bags filled

Ukraine army discipline crackdown sparks fear and fury on the front

Critics say new legislation that punishes deserters and rule-breakers more harshly contravenes human rights and demotivates military personnel.

www.politico.eu

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

US media are owned by the largest industries in the US market, acting as nothing but advertising agencies for those industries by publishing sensationalist headlines to get eyeballs looking at them. Marketing 101, no real care for informing people. The people are just potential customers for them, nothing more.

Russian media is 100% state propaganda fighting in a space where that’s all they really have, since the US doesn’t do much trade with Russia. Russia is isolated geographically with no real importance to the US, while many things the US does dramatically can affect Russia without the US even realizing it. That’s why they have been so focused on penetration, exploitation, subterfuge, deception, devision within, and being a pain in the US’s side for generations.

Russian leadership knew they could never go toe-to-toe with us after what they saw us give them under Lend-Lease in WWII.

Bwaaaahahaha

 

[RUTGERS95]

Great points here but still pulling for Russia here; its our best interests

 

[pineoak]

If true, a lot of US Marines going to die

Cold War 2 in Paradise

Can the US and China fight by proxy?

pjmedia.com

 

[lariat]

Cargo traffic via Russia-China border hits record high in January

Trade between Russia and China keeps on increasing despite the increasing efforts by the West to marginalize both economies.

english.almayadeen.net

 

[pineoak]

18,480 KIA
44,500 WIA
323 POW


The casualties of Ukraine, which fields 734 thousand soldiers (plus 100 thousand reserve soldiers) are as follows:

157,000 KIA (of these cca 34.000 officially declared MIA)
234,000 WIA
17,230 POW
7,800 KIA foreign fighters

those numbers look a LOT more realistic than the huge numbers Western media are putting up in terms of Russian losses

They're still holding back the bulk of the RF and using primarily militia and mercenaries/Wagner group.

 

[lariat]

those numbers look a LOT more realistic than the huge numbers Western media are putting up in terms of Russian losses

They're still holding back the bulk of the RF and using primarily militia and mercenaries/Wagner group.

That’s a kill ratio of 8.5 to 1.

 

[pineoak]

The Russians are methodical and slow, using artillery to mow down anything in front of them, roughly 9:1 ratio R:U in terms of artillery. Russia is pumping out wartime artillery shells but there are limited opportunities to use them at the front given the limited space. So they're just hammering away like a rich guy at the range who brought 4 rifles and 30 cases of ammo looking at the trunk of his Escalade

In an area like Bakhmut, where CNN SME will state that it's strategically irrelevant... the U are throwing bodies after bodies to "hold" the line/territory while R artillery pounds them, "the meatgrinder".

IIRC, Bakhmut is where 2 highways, the railway, and a waterway converge making it a hugely strategic asset. The U will do anything to keep R from taking control because of how much it will increase R mobility of troops and equipment. The Rs seem to be content to let the Us keep pouring soldiers into the meatgrinder and pulverizing them with artillery. The Rs likely know they'll have Bakhmut in the end anyway, but may as well take out a few thousand more infantry if the Us are willing to keep sending them.

In terms of manpower, not sure how much more the Us can push to the front line given they've gone through a dozen mobilizations already and U people are choosing prison sentences over the death sentence of serving in the front lines.

If NATO doesn't intervene directly soon, the U forces may collapse within weeks due to lack of manpower/people.

This may read as Russian propaganda to some, but logically, it sounds about right.

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Can anyone confirm that the Russian convoy stopped because they "ran out of fuel" and "didn't bring food"? Or is that Western propaganda?

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I

Bud you think Biden got involved with no value in the company?

In February 2016, Burisma acquired a 70% stake in KUB-Gas (КУБ-Газ). In 2017, it bought a majority stake in Diloretio Holdings Limited, a company which owned Ukrainian gas companies!!!!! Not company! Companies! All things that come up with a simple search. Research goes a long ways.

That doesn’t link Biben to putin like he proported, or prove Putin pulled billions out of the company, who’s max revenue yearly is less than 500 million…

Please go back and show me were I claimed there is not corruption around burisma. Post 2014 control of the company moved west… out of Russia Control. We literally stole it from them. Pretty gangster shit, and one of the reasons the war is going on.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

In fact my entire argument and disagreement of this war is the fact the west pushed so hard it led to this, those paying the price with thier lives, homes etc… gain nothing.

Those benefiting from this… live in mansion… across oceans…

That is the evil here. That is my beef.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

The construction cost alone of nord stream 1&2 exceeds all the money Burisma ever took in.

Burisma is small potatoes in the grand scheme.

Killing Nord Stream… that had massive implications on every country in Europe hell, globally. And in its absence… who profited heavily shipping Shale gas from the Shale formations in the dakotas?… at astronomical rates.

His corruption focus is wayyy off base.

Burisma is a fly on the windshield in the grand scheme… there is more money to be legitimately made in the energy industry… the corruption is gaining control of the market. Like the destruction of nord to sell europe US lng…

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

WTF? That was some rambling bullshit. I thought that Greg langlius had joined the conversation until I looked up and saw it was some lrrp-ing clown.
US media is an infomercial and Russia media is propaganda has got to be some of the funniest shit so far.