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brianf said:
if we had pearl harbor in 1938 wed be speaking Japanese and the allies would be speaking german because we would not have weapons to give/sell
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The Pacific Fleet wasn’t moved to Pearl Harbor in till 1940.

That moveis one of the reasons Japan attacked. They saw that as a direct threat After US embargoed fuel supplies to Japan. That would’ve been the force enforcing the embargo.

It never would’ve happened and 38 because the conditions weren’t there, The Democrats had not had enough time to fuck the world up yet

This idea that you promote of ruling the world by causing strife in chaos in other peoples backyards is pure fucking evil
 
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GreenGO Juan said:
The Pacific Fleet wasn’t moved to Pearl Harbor in till 1940.

That moveis one of the reasons Japan attacked. They saw that as a direct threat After US embargoed fuel supplies to Japan. That would’ve been the force enforcing the embargo.

It never would’ve happened and 38 because the conditions weren’t there, The Democrats had not had enough time to fuck the world up yet
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You missed the idea of manufacturing ramp up and production rate.

Secondary the pacific fleet was a floating paper tiger. Just as we found out the day of the big guns was over. Japan did t sink and carriers in pearl.
 
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pmclaine said:
Russia was not a threat until made a threat......

You have an overly optimistic understanding of our economy.
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No optimism on our economy, lack of faith in all the others which have never succeeded.

You don’t have to be the best , just better than the worst.

The rest were never the best so I’ll take my chances with ours.
 
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brianf said:
You missed the idea of manufacturing ramp up and production rate.

Secondary the pacific fleet was a floating paper tiger. Just as we found out the day of the big guns was over. Japan did t sink and carriers in pearl.
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No I didn’t . You missed the point in 1938 the conditions weren’t there for a battle to start.

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1938 they would’ve been bombing air
 
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brianf said:
Still missing it
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What that all the ships at Pearl Harbor were built before 1938. ( carriers and battleships)

You should just accept that your concept of Japan attacking Pearl Harbor is devoid of any factual history.

But its obvious to me you are incapable of that. Its okay, I am here to help

Sincerely, Juan.

Edit- The United States did not start heavily ramping up war production until after Japan attacked
 
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brianf said:
Still missing it
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The Hiryu was not commissioned until 1939.

Most of Japan’s escort carriers weren’t commissioned until the 1940s...

Below are the years construction started
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The zero was not produced until 1940


I could go on but I’m definitely not the one missing it
 
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Knudsen famously told FDR in early 1940 that “we must out produce hitler, to win”.

That was during FDR put him in charge of US military production which Knudsen took a salary of 1$.

That was in 1940
1940 was also the year that ford started building the plant for the b-24.

Which again reaffirms my point that it’s easier to win a war when you are already ramping up production because of a proxy war.

If it took 2 years to get going full bite war time economy, every day that a proxy war is occurring is 1 less day for ramp up and 1 less day of supplies the enemy has.

It’s not about who attacked who and why. It’s about the time table.
 
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Can someone make a poll (different thread, obviously) on how soon WW3 kicks off? (Outside of Ukraine) involvement of Europe or blockade of Taiwan would be two qualifiers, as would any nuke anywhere.
 
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brianf said:
No optimism on our economy, lack of faith in all the others which have never succeeded.

You don’t have to be the best , just better than the worst.

The rest were never the best so I’ll take my chances with ours.
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You know who is making out.....Fauci, Pfizer, the elites or in short the corrupt.

Economies of countries are being destroyed while elite individuals and businesses are being showered with riches taken from the masses.

The intent is a post national economy world to be replaced by a small oligarchy of elites and just enough surviving service animals to serve them.

Nations will die and useless eaters will die.

A lowest common denominator of misery will be established except for those that have been decided are the elite who will live with every imaginable luxury at the fingertips.
 
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pmclaine said:
You know who is making out.....Fauci, Pfizer, the elites or in short the corrupt.

Economies of countries are being destroyed while elite individuals and businesses are being showered with riches taken from the masses.

The intent is a post national economy world to be replaced by a small oligarchy of elites and just enough surviving service animals to serve them.

Nations will die and useless eaters will die.

A lowest common denominator of misery will be established except for those that have been decided are the elite who will live with every imaginable luxury at the fingertips.
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It has always been like that from the dawn of time. Only the last 80 years has the common man had a say/counted.

First very few leaders were chosen by a god
Their empires lost to new empires with different gods

Then from god given right to birth right
Caste systems across the world
Their empires disintegrated or were absorbed

Rich industrialists/Jp Morgan and alike.
Anti trust laws and new market segments emerging with new “rich” people. They became less important but still has a day at the table.

Then ww1 and it all changed.

It’s just making the circle again.

Common linear growth of economy
Agricultural based
To
Industrial based
To
Service based
To
Technology based
 
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Hobo Hilton said:
Perhaps not "active duty" but ex-military there seems to be well versed in wars.

Picking the fly shit outta the pepper​

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“This repositioning does not signify a change in our determination to support Ukraine’s Armed Forces, but will provide flexibility in assuring allies and deterring aggression,” he added.
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MADRID — President Biden announced that the U.S. would enhance its military presence in Europe, including more naval destroyers stationed in Spain, two F-35 fighter jet squadrons positioned in the United Kingdom and a permanent headquarters in Poland for the U.S. 5th Army Corps.
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There are more than 80,000 American service members in Europe.


www.cnbc.com

Pentagon orders departure of U.S. troops in Ukraine as Russia crisis escalates

On Friday, President Joe Biden's national security advisor, Jake Sullivan, urged any Americans still in Ukraine to leave immediately.
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www.npr.org

Biden is boosting U.S. troops in Europe because of Russia's war in Ukraine

President Biden said there will be a permanent headquarters in Poland for the U.S. 5th Army Corps. It's one of several ways NATO forces will be beefed up after Russia invaded Ukraine.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
www.nytimes.com

In Ukraine, U.S. Veterans Step In Where the Military Will Not (Published 2022)

Special Operations veterans are training Ukrainians near the front lines in the fight against Russia, despite warnings from the Pentagon.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
www.defense.gov

More U.S. Troops to Deploy to Europe, Guardsmen Reassigned Out of Ukraine

Another 3,000 troops from the 82nd Airborne Division will move to Europe in the coming days, and Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III is temporarily repositioning 160 troops training Ukraine's
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Captured Uke troops have stated US and EK/ polish active duty officers are there in leadership positions.
 
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NoDopes said:
This whole "We have to stop Putin at all costs because he's going to try to take over all of Europe" is a stupid cover for more corruption and money laundering in Ukraine.
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Meanwhile we have 80,000 troops there.
Can you imagine what the government of the USA would be doing if there were 80,000 Chinese troops in central America? Or 80,000 Russian troops?
But it's okay because we are the good guys? Right?
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
Meanwhile we have 80,000 troops there.
Can you imagine what the government of the USA would be doing if there were 80,000 Chinese troops in central America? Or 80,000 Russian troops?
But it's okay because we are the good guys? Right?
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We only have about 100,000 troops in Europe in total (after the 20k Biden sent earlier in the year)

Not sure where the 80k number in Ukraine came from, have a link?
 
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theLBC said:
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Why has #US 101st Airborne “elite air assault” been deployed to #Europe for first time in ~80 yrs? Why are they practicing war 3 miles from #Ukraine border? Why are they “fully prepared to cross the #border to #Ukraine”? Has #Biden decided to go to #war?

It's because the midterm elections are a little over two weeks away. After the embarrassing disaster in Afghanistan, President Poopy Pants has to show everyone he's going to fight to the last drop of American blood.
 
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At one point you have to ask what makes this any different from North Korean propaganda outlets, making shit up is like media sport now.

Speed Cameras Stolen From Sweden May Be Ending Up in Russian Drones: Report​


However, Eva Lundberg, who coordinates the traffic camera system at the Swedish Transport Administration, told the Times that the stolen cameras are actually customized Nikon DSLRs. This backs up other reports from local news outlets but complicates the theory that the cameras are being repurposed in Russian UAVs.
Lundberg says that the Nikon cameras are focused at a specific distance and "not possible to adjust," according to the traffic camera supplier. The videos showing recovered Orlan-10 UAVs have all featured Canon DSLRs thus far


www.thedrive.com

Speed Cameras Stolen From Sweden May Be Ending Up in Russian Drones: Report

Over 160 speed cameras have been stolen from Swedish roads in recent months. Local reports say they're being used in Russian surveillance drones in Ukraine.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com



Go pros everywhere , probably only first person ejection caught on camera
 
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babyguppy said:
if Ukraine was going to do it,, I think it would be a little farther east.. say Moscow
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Nah, Ukraine will do it on their own turf to implicate Russia, and rally the "rules based order" behind their "quest for democracy". Just like that children's hospital that got "bombed" by Russia. The children's hospital that looked like it hadn't been used in 15 or 20 years. The 50 or so Billion we've sent has already disappeared, so time to up the game a bit.
 
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I imagine the few diesel locomotives might also get the Geranium treatment. Ukrainian Rail gauge is still the same as old Soviet/Russian so not compatible with European trains , but i imagine with flood of $$ that can be upgraded ... Estonia might want to ofload its wide gauge trains.
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Congress is about to allocate a further 120 billion $ just in case lost elections disturb bipartisan willingness to spend an unlimited amount of $$ on War in Ukraine.

Meanwhile netflix needs to cast the black lead actor for the Ukraine movies
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www.thegatewaypundit.com

David Petraeus: US May Lead Multinational Force Against Russia in Ukraine

The Military Industrial Complex wants their wars. That’s why they hated President Trump. He refused to start any new wars for the washed-up generals to blow up young bodies. On Saturday in an interview with L’Express from France, David Petraeus stated a “multinational force” led by the US may...
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How stupid...
 
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MadDuner said:
They are absolutely bound and determined to make sure they get WWIII going as soon as they can.
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I’ve been saying this since the beginning of this. Poopy pants would have had us in Ukraine back in February if he could have to take everyone’s mind off of the dumpster fire of fuck ups. What they didn’t account for was that parents across America weren’t willing to send their kids into the grinder, and 100% of the IheartUkraine fags on Twitter are unfit for service.

They have to start WWIII. Too many people the world over are waking up, and that’s dangerous to the string pullers.
 
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rtB said:
Nah, Ukraine will do it on their own turf to implicate Russia, and rally the "rules based order" behind their "quest for democracy". Just like that children's hospital that got "bombed" by Russia. The children's hospital that looked like it hadn't been used in 15 or 20 years. The 50 or so Billion we've sent has already disappeared, so time to up the game a bit.
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this will be the lusitania incident, the false flag which the Biden regime sets up to start WW3.

if the hohols suicide bombed Russia, it would be black and white. but if they self-detonate in Ukraine and maybe launch a couple of their shitty cruise missiles at the spot, they can say that "Russia tactical nuked us!"

anyone with a brain will see that it's bullshit, but the media will insist on it and the sheep will believe it. it's the ultimate deep state false flag and it follows their usual predictable pattern to justify direct involvement in a contrived war.
 
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Bigfatcock said:
I’ve been saying this since the beginning of this. Poopy pants would have had us in Ukraine back in February if he could have to take everyone’s mind off of the dumpster fire of fuck ups. What they didn’t account for was that parents across America weren’t willing to send their kids into the grinder, and 100% of the IheartUkraine fags on Twitter are unfit for service.

They have to start WWIII. Too many people the world over are waking up, and that’s dangerous to the string pullers.
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just in time for the election!

The Russians are even saying that if the republicans get in, they will scale back all the money laundering in Ukraine.
 
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Darayavaus said:
this will be the lusitania incident, the false flag which the Biden regime sets up to start WW3.

if the hohols suicide bombed Russia, it would be black and white. but if they self-detonate in Ukraine and maybe launch a couple of their shitty cruise missiles at the spot, they can say that "Russia tactical nuked us!"

anyone with a brain will see that it's bullshit, but the media will insist on it and the sheep will believe it. it's the ultimate deep state false flag and it follows their usual predictable pattern to justify direct involvement in a contrived war.
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I am seriously concerned that this is EXACTLY was is being set up. Was just watching FOX for a few minutes and they literally said that Putin is setting up to do a false flag in Ukraine after Putin said he is concerned. This was five minutes ago from typing this post.

It was actually kind of hilarious because the "correspondant" dude in Ukraine said Putin is setting up to pull a "false flag", and then the lady said "Well that is Putin's MOA" - idiot.
 
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