Before or after Stuxnet?Netanyahu 13 years ago:
Israel/iran
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Well when the leaders of their country and their military commanders OPENLY come out and say it.
And when their religious leaders openly tell you that to your face.
I mean it's hard to say "no that's only made up" when they are telling you it to your face.
President Johnson, wouldn't take the fk'n gloves off the military. He was making too much $$
We could have won in less than 6 months if 'anything' goes was allowed.
We you make a list of the top 220 targets, and the fk'rs make you start at the bottom.. well, there's a sign..
Nixon started to take the gloves off, and you saw how that turned out. set up and a resignation.
2:27 in. Irans new(last one was just killed) General, Maj Gen Abdolrahim Mousavi says basically all the first missile attacks against Israel were just warnings, now they are really tryin. They are going to avenge the blood of their Martyrs.
Really? I reckon thats why crowds followed him hoping to be healed, or fed.
An Israeli defensive missile malfunctions, stage separates, and falls back on their own territory. .
Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
The site, 90 meters (295 feet) underground, houses thousands of centrifuges to enrich uranium. Israel’s conventional munitions can’t reach that deep, and it would take the US joining the fight to knock it out from the air.
Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
Israel's national security adviser said Israel will not stop fighting the war before it has damaged Iran's Fordow (Fordo) nuclear facility.
www.breitbart.com
Word is they have already been dropping GBU-28s on it.Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
The site, 90 meters (295 feet) underground, houses thousands of centrifuges to enrich uranium. Israel’s conventional munitions can’t reach that deep, and it would take the US joining the fight to knock it out from the air.
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Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
Israel's national security adviser said Israel will not stop fighting the war before it has damaged Iran's Fordow (Fordo) nuclear facility.
That is because we were on a leash, like always. That tactic when allowed to move forward, worked every time.
Blackout! Israel bans live feeds as Iranian missiles strike military, energy sites
Tehran, June 17: After Iran launched the ninth phase of its retaliatory military campaign, Operation True Promise III, on Monday night, the Israeli government imposed a sweeping media blackout across the country — halting live aerial coverage from multiple cities amid ongoing missile and drone...
I guess.......
you can trap them there, until it's time to finish them off.
At least you know they aren't going anywhere.
someone should drop a speaker down a vent shaft... start playing some Wet Ass P**Y, that'll make em surrender (endless loop)
hate to say it,but,militarily,you are most likely right. that does ignore most of the problems with the war.
society support was weak after about '65 and dropped when all the lies were exposed. there were a bunch of those. fighting an unpopular war with draftees was a big mistake. should have activated the reserve,which might have gotten him impeached. the counter insurgency ideas were unlikely to have succeeded. that remains debatable. actually there was a fear of soviet and Chinese entry. IMHO soviet unlikely. they weren't going to war over VN. very much doubt China. take a deep dig but Mao has been quoted as not wanting to enter unless we got onto his border. could have stopped at Hanoi maybe with no China entry.
however,the domino theory was and has been proven to be just nonsense. we would have had to act about like the Jews in Gaza-shoot everybody with slanty eyes. that would not fly with the public. the regime we were propping up was corrupt and very unpopular. McNamara was an incompetent fool of the 1st magnitude-that didn't help.
the treason of Fonda et al was ignored,actually allowed because they couldn't be stomped for opposing an unpopular war and fears of a McCarthy like deal. many didn't see it as treason. so,the commies got a free ride into the culture which led to Clinton,Obama,Schumer,Biden,Ayers etc.
IMHO that was the maybe worst outcome of VN except 58K dead for no reason.
Kinda what I was thinking. Destroy every potential shaft, entrance, air vent. Or just dig a hole until you get to it. From what I understand a GBU-28 will get pretty deep. 40-50 ft depending on material. It's reportedly what they used to destroy Natanze. The GBU 57, I believe 1 can get down around 200 or so feet so even with those it would take more than one.
Might take alot of them but they will get to it eventually. My unprofessional opinion.
I think we need to stay on the sidelines for this one, let Israel do it.
as far as music, I think the song I come from a land down under would be a good choice.
maybe it is "safer" to slowly bury it with smaller ordinance than trying to blow it the fuck up with a huge one.
My understanding is 200 feet but I'm fairly sure that this is dependent upon the material being blown up. The nuc plant in question is supposed to be 300' feet down in a mountain. So, one MOP quickly followed by one or two others...ought to do it, right?
Odd that this has not happened yet.
www.twz.com
Perhaps Israel has degraded Iran’s C2 & other critical capabilities to the extent that it can’t?
Could Iran Carry Out Its Threat To Shut Down The Strait Of Hormuz?
The threat of Iran closing the Strait has persisted for many decades, and it has built unique capabilities to do exactly that.
www.twz.com
Perhaps Israel has degraded Iran’s C2 & other critical capabilities to the extent that it can’t?
I wonder... I just wonder...
Qom (Qum) is home to this really big cave complex with lots of spendy equipment and nuclear scientists in it...
Sirhr
Sirhr
Let me guess... another Giant F35 is going to be shot down?
We'll be swimming in rivers of our own blood?
Elvis is alive and working at a carwash in Dayton, OH?
Inquiring minds want to know. Because every time those Mullah-types threaten the end of the world, they end up looking like this...
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
Sirhr
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So there's a 10 day time difference between Tehran time and utc?
That is a lot of accuracy you are hoping for . The site is very far away but then again we are talking the IDF and they have gone on longer distanced raids and succeeded. If they want to play a waiting game they can take pages out of ww2 where the term " strangle the baby in the crib" was born [pun] . You go after the close city/town that is home to the workers and their families from the nuclear scientists to the tunnel maintenance broom pushers BUT its terrible for public relations /world opinion . You can just watch the site and run the clock out until your other military actions around the country make iran cry uncle and then you can just walk in there ,its not like they are building atomic bombs one after the other there ....its a place for making parts of fissionable raw material and research not weapons or testing weapons . Finally there is some one at the pentagon who talked them into using it for " lets see if it works while we are this close" ...i kinda like that
So there's a 10 day time difference between Tehran time and utc?
Good catch! Damn interwebz...
Sirhr
I would have bid high on the towing and scrap for that job
In Kosovo an underground airbase was bombed for 79 days , and when it was all over they flew their jets out , underground bases have far better track record than bunker busters. Israelis can't drop bomb large enough. Even B2 might not do in short order .
In 1993, I remember reading in Forbes or Business Week or The Economist or similar that Iraq had the worlds largest scrap metal reserves in the world by tonnage. Betting China bought most of it.
Cheers,
Sirhr
Well looks like Israel will get its way again.
No its not...and I flew in the USAF (biplanes...it was that long ago) and precision guided munitions were a thing then. The GBU-12 entered service in '76 but this was very early tech. What, you never saw the targeting vid of an F-117 putting one right down the smoke stack? And that was a LONG damn time ago and they've just gotten better
- The GBU-57A/B MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator) is a 30,000-pound (13,608 kg) precision-guided "bunker buster" bomb developed for the United States Air Force. The designation GBU, short for Guided Bomb Unit, reflects its use of precision guidance systems.
Uh, no we are not talking about the IDF. It takes a B-2 to deliver one of these GBU-57 MOPs and one of the reasons that Israel is trying to pull us in on the action. They can't take out a target 300 feet under rock or concrete. We can.
They didn't launch a single sortie out of Slatina. It was effectively neutralized.
Did they try to "bust" it? Or just keep it from doing anything?
Iran is one of the most earthquake prone countries in the world ,just look at the topography you do not get mountain ranges like that without shitload of sizemic acitvity.
''On average, the country experiences about 175 earthquakes with a magnitude greater than 4.0 each year. Additionally, it's estimated that Iran experiences one earthquake every day. ''
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Cough Cough... C-130 Cough Cough
It kinda gives me a boner, to mention the aircraft capable of doing it, in the thread of the guy that got pissed off and blocked me because I told him he is an idiot for wanting to discontinue use of a C-130...
Its okay grand pa... I am here for you.
It kinda gives me a boner, to mention the aircraft capable of doing it, in the thread of the guy that got pissed off and blocked me because I told him he is an idiot for wanting to discontinue use of a C-130...
Its okay grand pa... I am here for you.
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Well, it pretty much says everyone who rejects the son is condemned, and anyone who accepts his primacy is saved.
You don't have to "destroy" it. You just have to collapse all the entrances and exits under enough rock, and hit anything that comes to try and dig the out. Such are the benefits of total air superiority.Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
The site, 90 meters (295 feet) underground, houses thousands of centrifuges to enrich uranium. Israel’s conventional munitions can’t reach that deep, and it would take the US joining the fight to knock it out from the air.
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Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
Israel's national security adviser said Israel will not stop fighting the war before it has damaged Iran's Fordow (Fordo) nuclear facility.
Yes , serbia also barely had an airforce something like 10-15 mig 29s and there were 500-800 NATO planes flying sorties , but the point is it could not be busted , and an airbase is different than missile base as planes still need runways , and them flying those 10-15 migs against NATO force was not much point
The most impresive Iranian missile base is like US concept where missiles are fired under cover trough hidden and protected shafts , and if one gets blown next one can be used .
Like said underground bases have good track record in withstanding bombardment and folks that build them generaly planed for them being attacked so exits are designed for that.
Simple reason why US getting involved it not quite as risk free as folks think , there are 40,000 to 50,000 US military personnel stationed in the Middle East , many much closer than Israel , also unlike Israel those bases do not have layers of AD and air raid shelters like Israel has , so if all out shooting starts this could get dicy real fast. There are many more short to medium range missiles than long range ones they are lobbing at israel , also shit load of drones that were so far not used en masse. Ground invasion of Iran is more or less out of the question terrain is not like Iraq.
Technical superiority goes right down to zero when your magazine is empty (AD missiles used up at vociferous rates by Israel and Ukraine far in excess of yearly production.)
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No bunker buster needed.
Just place an order with that nifty earthquake generator down in Antarctica and it will be proven that no facility can be built deep enough to avoid destruction.
Then again, the MIC would not like for this conflict to end so early. Too much money on the table to be made right now.
