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It was just self defense kids!!

fair enough. clear enough. i simply don't care what they "endure". Israelis have a "right" to peaceful existence. truth is that has never been their method of action. true for us too since 1770s. that's fine too. it is what it is. just no excuse to spend all the effort and treasure to help them conquer the ME,which is their plan. good on them if they can. good on Putin if he takes all of Ukraine. so what? we can do biz either way. we don't have any need to finance any of it with $s or blood.

Yeah, we don't have a great track record. Though I've always argued that the difference is that America is not out there to be an empire (Teddy Roosevelt aside)... but that we usually end up being the most insufferable global in-your-face do-gooder on the planet. And act like Mrs. Kravitz always knocking on the door over at Samantha and Darron's house when she is trying to stick her nose into whatever is going on at the 'ol Stephens house.

Our hearts are usually in the right place. But we have a historic penchant for trying to impose freedom and Jeffersonian Democracy no matter how many people we have to kill to do it.

Then again, petro-diplomacy, banana diplomacy, etc. isn't exactly benign... so there is that. Though I'd like to think we try...

Sirhr
 
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“most Arab and Jewish groups in the region owe more than half of their DNA to Canaanites”
pretty clear now that they were spreading out and integrated throughout the levant rather than disappearing or dying out.

it is hilarious to see "palestinians" send their shit to 23andme or whatever and the results are 0% "palestinian".
 
The correct response to the question of who killed Jesus is "we did" or "I did". Any other answer means you don't understand the problem, and why God sacrificed his only son for us.

Is the Old Testament about "us", or only about Jews? Not coincidence that Jesus was a Jew from the line of David.
I grew up in church, hanging out with preachers constantly outside church hunting and stuff, and I’ve never once heard we killed jesus
 
Since you are a "Christ Follower" and know so much that you have chosen the side of the Canaanites, one that happens to be diametrically opposed to clear and unambiguous teaching of The Bible, you should read "Innocents Abroad". It's an interesting series of observations in a travelog about the Levant and it's inhabitants by one Samuel Clemens, pen name Mark Twain. If you want an honest assessment of who was there are in what conditions they lived before the arrival of the diaspora there is no better American to turn to for the truth. But, again, all this has been sitting right there in the most prolific book on the planet for a couple of thousand years... Maybe it's all just some massive coincidence. If the Jews had obeyed God they would not have been scattered, but then there would be no "Palestinians" either.
First, you labor under an erroneous assumption, that I have chosen the side of the any group. I havent. I jsut note whats happening and from what I discern its a travesty.

Youre correct, the Jews disobeyed. Repeatedly.

Abraham committing adultery with his wife's handmaid

Jacob, the pretty momma's boy basically screwing his older brother for the blessing.

Golden calves, marrying strange booty.

So in the bottom line, their disobedience is responsible for all or most of this shit.
 
Surprised to see an Israel / Palestine thread here on Sniper’s Hide.

Was under the impression it was taboo
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Even saw some Baaahble quotes
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I grew up in church, hanging out with preachers constantly outside church hunting and stuff, and I’ve never once heard we killed jesus
again, not religious, but he either "died for our sins" or he didn't. too black and white?
these sorts of questions is why i reject the dogma.
if god is all powerful, can he create a mountain even he cannot move?
 
See, this thread is exactly why the argument over the Middle East won't be settled.

Because there is too much rancor, conspiracy theory, propaganda, personal belief... etc. etc. etc...

So one side will just have to kill the other off.

Fortunately, this place is filled with generally reasonable people who will argue tooth and nail, but still be willing to sit down and have a beer at the end of the day and find something in common to laugh about.

Not happening in the ME. So at this point, let them settle it the only way they know how. And we'll buy oil from whoever's left.

Sirhr
As long as root beer is acceptable at the table, sure. There's way more varieties out there than most people think. I've personally had at least 55 different varieties.
 
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YES !!! The fake ones THAT ARE NOT JEWS BUT DO LIE!! they take the Star of Remfan as their sigil. They are the whore of Babylon, the old satanic religion from before the flood.

AKA THE ZIONISTS
The Jews adopted it from The Babylonians, then the Roman (Catholic) Church adopted it from the Jews, and the rest just kind of followed suit. Make no mistake, when you go to a church with paid leaders, youre following the Babylonian way. The original church met in the homes of the believers. The Quakers deviate from that a bit with no paid pastorate, but they've gone libtard.
 


How convenient, this just came up.

A quick review of Ukraine and Palestine through some very broad brush strokes.

As usual - Petulant Pucker’s way out of his league…

…but at least he frequently has guests who are top notch.
 
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Virgil’s is okay but I think St Arnold is better and I think I’ve seen Abita here at a store. Ginger beer is nasty I got one to try it thinking “well I like root beer….why the fuck is it spicy?”

Pretty sure it was Cock n Bull cherry ginger beer
That one is light on the ginger. I'm not a fan of alot of the strong gingers. I don't go much beyond Schweppes. It is a root beer with ginger not a ginger beer.
 
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. they control most of our gov. their willingness to sacrifice this country for their own benefit is understandable.

The amount of duel citizens in our government is very telling as to their agenda.

why would any American think that is desirable?

Propaganda is a powerful tool. The numbers of people that attended church from birth to adulthood, in the last century plus, sat in an indoctrination period every Sunday. Hitler's actions against the Jews reinforced the propaganda to protect/bless that propaganda.
 
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