Itar questions

[nobrumby]

Hey boys I’ve got a few questions about the itar laws regarding rifle stocks and export. I’m a non us citizen(Australian) here in the states for a few months, I’m interested in purchasing a new mcmillan a5 for my rem 700 back home but I’m abit confused about the itar laws surrounding this. The stock is legal to bring back into Australia but I’m not too sure if it’s going to get let out of the country. If anyone has any experience or knowledge on this topic I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks

 

[GIXXER2000]

Call Ashbury Precision Ordnance they deal with ITAR item's and may be able to help you out.

 

[nobrumby]

Yea will do thanks Mate

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

USML Sec 121
Category 1
Subsection H

Covers rifle stocks. It can only be exported with an approved DDTC export permit.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[nobrumby]

Could a stock fall under the $100 exemption?

 

[THEIS]

Could a stock fall under the $100 exemption?

Hi,

It "Can" but do not attempt to "slide" one past the law. The fines start at about $100k for those "Administrative" violations.
DDTC and US Customs are not going to be fooled into thinking a McM A5 falls under the small parts exception.

The laws are pretty clear and cut....definitely not worth an attempt to bypass them.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[nobrumby]

Roger that
Soo is there any way I can get one back (through a dealer even) as the a5 retails for about 1.4k in Australia.

Thanks

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

You will need to find an ITAR exporter to submit the export license to DDTC for you.

They will need the following from you:
Purchase Order.
Import Permit and/or Official document from your Government stating no import license is required.
Signed DSP-83; exporter should complete for you for your signature.
Signed End User Certificate.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[flyer]

I've heard of some people traveling with a gun to get to where they can buy what they want, then swapping parts and traveling back.

If questions are asked, say your stock broke so you replaced it. If ITAR is mentioned, say "what's an ITAR mate?" and feign ignorance.

 

[TheGerman]

Is the Nigerian Prince that is in desperate need of a box of PVS14's that he's willing to pay me $1.25M for, exempt from ITAR because he's royalty in another country?

Please say yes because I already sent the $10k check to cover the bank fees on his $1.25M transfer.

 

[021411]

Is ITAR a catch all? I mean is a rifle stock really a "technology"?

 

[flyer]

I think ITAR was supposed to be about WMDs and military arms like missiles, grenades and cannons.

It's a recent thing that they have tried to control small arms.

I think that happened because Obama wanted to kill the second amendment by signing a treaty.

 

[scharfschutze762]

New rules and regs go into affect this coming month. most things coming off ITAR and going under commerce.

 

[THEIS]

New rules and regs go into affect this coming month. most things coming off ITAR and going under commerce.

Hi,

Post the Federal Register source for this information.

Also:
ITAR was along well before Obama.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[flyer]

Yes, but didn't they expand the scope?

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Not to what was controlled in regards to exportation.
They reworded what was a "manufacturer" under GW.

ITAR changes to Category I, II and III are coming; along with complete change in what is considered a manufacturer in regards to whom has to register even if not exporting but those changes are TBA in regards to timeframe.

The anticipated changes are to remove Category I, II and III from DDTC control and hand them over the Dept of Commerce control, BUT outline specific items that are in those Categories that will remain in DDTC control.
The rumored time-frame of this month and June...are just that...rumors as for as I know.
DoC is still working through assignment of ECCN tags and their categories of the said USML Sec 121 Cat I, II, and III.

The anticipated changes to whom will be required to register with DDTC as a manufacturer is going to cause the BATFE some issues but good issues.

Edited To Add:
Here is the last information posted in the Federal Register in regards to Cat I, II, and III changes.
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...ons-us-munitions-list-categories-i-ii-and-iii
NOTHING will be law until it is posted in the Federal Register.


Sincerely,
Theis

 

[scharfschutze762]

My source is the 2019 Export USML to CCL transition training I attended last month.

 

[THEIS]

My source is the 2019 Export USML to CCL transition training I attended last month.

Hi,

Good luck with that time line being met.
The final version of the transition will be put in the Federal Register with a 30 day comment period..then the transition will proceed.
You attended the training that was formerly the "Export Control Reform" training?
How was the "new" speakers under the new "Export USML to CCL transition training" compared to when it was called "Export Control Reform"? (IF you took any of the formerly named training that is.)

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[scharfschutze762]

First you ask me my source and now after googling this your just a know it all.

 

[THEIS]

First you ask me my source and now after googling this your just a know it all.

Hi,

Well luckily for you lol....I hold a manufacturers and brokers ITAR registration, along with being a member of DTAG.
You wanna make public wager that the transition happens in your time frame?

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[scharfschutze762]

Well guess what asshole. I give two fucks about you and neither does your mom.

Sincerely,
Dad

 

[adamjma]

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Well guess what asshole. I give two fucks about you and neither does your mom.

Sincerely,
Dad

Not that I really want to step in here, because I don't. BUT, you really should know of whom and to whom you're speaking, let alone 'slamming'.

Bad form. Truly bad form. There's a fair number here who suggest that you might want to re-think your position. That is all.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Here, kitty, kitty...

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

So I take that is a no on the time line wager?

I have forgotten more about ITAR than a law firm with no ITAR registration can ever teach you.
When you want real knowledge training you will have DDTC come do in house training and they will send me, lol.

Do you even have Super User sign in on the Dtrade portal, lolol.

Does your former Teams brother know his lil brother talks like that. Team 2 right?

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[scharfschutze762]

Do you even have Super User sign in on the Dtrade portal, lolol.

To answer your question YES on that.

 

[scharfschutze762]

When is this backlog from the shutdown suppose to normalize?

 

[Strykervet]

I wanna know if you'll bet him. THEIS is just a fuckface know it all and finally someone's here to put him in his place.

I read online about ITAR being scaled back in relation to small manufacturers in the US without overseas contracts nor desires for overseas contracts... I don't know about anything else. I do know if the government is doing it though... Well, just go ahead and bet him already.

 

[Snuby642]

ITAR

Invented to keep lawyers employed.

 

[Snuby642]

I worked prototype programs for DOD stuff. I had to wait for ITAR compliance office to give the ok to show our NATO customers the blueprints and or wiring diagrams for thier products we were building.

That is on top of security clearance issues.

Gun parts? Lmao

 

[Teach Me Sensei]

You dont need anything to export a McMillan A5 stock because the A5 stock is NOT 100% the same as the military issued and therefore does not fall under ITAR. I know this because I bought one myself and I'm from Europe

The same with Harris Bipod. If you want to but the excact same model as used by the Marines you need a permit, but if you buy a slighty different model everything is A-okay

 

[Mackay]

I would love ITAR beeing less of a pain for small companies, to enable them to ship smal quantities to end-users who live in allied countries overseas. But for Some reason, I would accept THEIS’es knowledge of facts any Day of the week.

THEIS: if things change, please inform us, US allies!

 

[Tucker301]

Question answered. Closed.