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Sidearms & Scatterguns Just got my SIG P224!

DP425

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Well, I ordered this the first week of January. It came in friday and I picked it up today. Have yet to shoot it, but it looks good and feels good.

Strange enough, I ordered it from an LE dealer- it was $889... and it came in a black case. I thought LE guns came in a blue case... thats what my other three SIG's came in anyway... and they all had the blue band on the grip- this one had gray. Did they do away with the differently marked and cased LE guns? Or did I just happen to get a non-LE package?




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My last P226 was an LE model and it came packaged in the black "Law Enforcement" branded case/gray grip band/etc. that you described (that was ~2yrs ago or so). I really think it just comes down to what boxes they have on the line at any given time as to how they are packaged. I too have seen a lot of the traditional blue cases you noted, but its hit and miss.

I'm interested to hear your impressions of the P224. I've fingered one, but not had the chance to shoot one yet. They look like a very nice addition to the Sig lineup, but I still don't know if it has that much of an advantage over the P229 except for the small-framed shooter looking for the utmost concealability from a higher capacity, resonably-calibered (9, 40, 357sig vs 380, 25acp, etc.) defensive pistol.
 
Honestly, I was expecting it to be a little shorter in OAL as compared to the P229 than it is. Maybe that's a little unrealistic though. I sold the Glock 27 that this replaces about a year ago anticipating these hitting the shelves. I'm going to have to compare it to my buddy's G27 for dimensions and feel.

There is no doubt it trims a good chunk off the grip; for me that makes carrying it in summer clothes much easier. I carried my PM9 all last summer because I just was not going to go back to my P229 under a T-Shirt; it's just too much IMO.

I'm going to get it cleaned up (feels a little gritty) and head to the range. So I'll have something to report later tonight.
 
From your pics...it appears that Sig did manage to shave around an inch (give or take) off the total height, as well as making the grip area somewhat thinner, but I agree with you on the length...not much difference overall. The reduction in Ht should make it considerably easier to conceal even just under a light summer wt shirt though depending on how/where you are planning to carry it. Look forward to your range report!
 
Just put about 250rds through it. 12 were Winchester Ranger 165gr I had laying around and 12 were my current carry, Fed SRT 165. Didn't have any malfunctions, but I did have a few strange things happen:
- Once in a while the spent casing would eject FORWARD instead of to the side- almost as if it were being spit up and forward out of the pistol. I am shooting reloads and they are not charged to max, but about 3/4 between min and max. That may have something to do with it, I'm not sure

-A few casings have a strange mark on the mouth- almost like someone took a knife and smacked the blade across the case mouth. It's not typical case splitting like you would see in excessively hardened/thinned cases. It looks very much like a strange impact mark.



And some nice things I noticed:
- All of my P229 mags fit and functioned; I have two 10rd mags from 2003 ("post ban") and six 12 round mags (post-post ban). All functioned perfectly through slow fire, rapid fire and rapid controlled pairs. HOWEVER, the 10rd P229 mags were a tight fit; I did not expect this. But, I rarely use those mags anyway and when I do it is range use only- why carry a 10rd mag when you can carry a 12rd that is the exact same length?

-Very controllable- not as much as the P229 (which I have two of), but still surprisingly easy to handle.

-The P229 mags, although they look horrible in the P224, they actually feel pretty good to shoot with. I had expected a considerable lack of comfort which did not materialize.



Conclusions thus far:
-The difference in OAL between the 224 and 229 is relatively minor.
-The new grip style is certainly thinner and brings your hand closer to the trigger vs the older 229 grip; I am assuming the new 229 grip does the same thing.
-The difference in height is considerable and most likely the biggest advantage to this pistol as a concealed carry piece. However, once you put in a 12rd P229 mag, I see no distinct advantage of this pistol over the P229. I've never understood people who buy a subcompact than carry it with extended mags... Just get the compact. This pistol that is especially true since the OAL isn't that much shorter than the P229.
-There is a difference in the height of the slide itself between the 229 and 224; the 224 has a shorter slide height; this can be seen in one of the above pictures. That leads me to believe this pistol took a lot more design work that what advertisements have lead us to believe (the photo of the chopped muzzle and frame gives the impression it is just a shortened 229). There are also various other differences- all of the controls are physically smaller though positioned in nearly the same locations.
-Despite being very similar to the P229, it is certainly more difficult to shoot accurately. I started out shooting my 229 and printing about 2-2.5" groups at 10 yards. By the time I shot for groups in the last two magazines, the 224 was printing closer to 4-4.5" with some fliers. There is a good chance that is my fault and not an indication of an inherent inaccuracy. I haven't been shooting my pistols much lately... coupled with severe carpel tunnel, my wrists were getting weak toward the end.


Over-all... After I get another 750rds or so through it, and find a good holster/have one made... I will start carrying this. I'm pretty happy with it.
 
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Interesting comparison to the 229 (one of my personal favorites), thanks for the write-up.

As for the "Blue Case", "Black Case" thing: I'm not LE. I have three Sig pistols and one Caliber Exchange Kit. Two of the three pistols and the Caliber Exchange Kit came in blue cases. The third (1911 Nitron Rail) came in a black case. I don't think there's any significance to the case color, at least that's been my experience.
 
love me some sig porn, i want to get my hands on a 227 now, this one has now peaked my interest
 
Update on the case and band info...

This is now confirmed through two LE dealers, the one I got the pistol from and TopGun, who does a ton of business. It sounds like the blue cases and bands are being phased out and replaced with black cases or cardboard boxes for some models (PRO being very common for cardboard) and grey/black bands on all new firearms. Red cases and red bands continue to denote remanufactured firearms.

I was really confused by this- my first SIG, bought in 2003 was a commercial sig and came in a blue case. Next two sigs were LE and in blue cases with blue bands... at the time it was my understanding that blue now denoted LE (sounds like this may have been incorrect). And here with my fourth sig we are onto the black cases.

Anyway, I don't store or transport my pistols in these cases anyway; I rarely take more than three pistols with me anywhere I go, one carried and my range bag has two soft rugs built in. If there is a fourth it goes in the glove box.

I did read something elsewhere that made a good point- the cardboard boxes make shipping a hell of a lot easier. Knock on wood, I've never had to send a sig back to the factory so hopefully I never say "wish I had cardboard!".

I'll toss up some more pictures later on- I have a couple from the last two mags I shot today and I'll get some close ups of a few different things I find interesting.
 
Thanks for taking the time to post up your impressions on this new offering from Sig. Seems like its got promise as a good CCW option and I'm sure that your issues with respect to accuracy will improve with more trigger time/familiarity with the pistol. I'll stay tuned for more updates as you have them.
 
Thanks for the info on the 224. I'm holding out until I can get one in 9mm. I want to have mag compatability with my M11.

I am also VERY interested in a P227 when they come out. I'd prefer the SAS carry version as I have no use for rails and only carry concealed now in retirement.

Great guns. Love my M11 so far. I've been shooting and carrying it for about 6 months now. Never a malfunction and very accurate.
 
Sig has a funny idea on compact guns. Because they are all about the same size. I had a P229SAS .40 with DAK, which I couldn't stand, that was a CA model with 10 round mags. I got rid of it as soon as I got to Texas. I wanted another Sig for carry and got a P239SAS 9mm because it was slimmer than a P229. Of course there is a trade off for being slimmer, it is only a single stack. I lost 5 rounds of capacity. After getting the P239SAS I compared it to my old west German P6 that I had dehorned. Well I was surprised, they were almost the same size. The P6 being thinner than the P239SAS. Both have the same round capacity and weigh the same, loaded and unloaded.

When I had the P229SAS .40 and compared it to my P6 it was just a little bit larger, but not much. Another example, just for over all length the P224 and the P239 are almost the same. The P224 being 6.7" and the P239 being 6.6". It seems Sig tend to keep all of there compact guns around the same size. Of course the P224 isn't the same size as the P239 being that it's over half and inch shorter in height and has much larger round capacity. Also, the P224 is just a little wider the the P239. I would say it's a great choice for a CCW. Unfortunately, I have large hands and the grip on the P224 is much to small for my liking, so I am stuck with my limited capacity larger grip Sig.


On a side note you can get G10 grips for Sigs, if any one wants them, at Hogue G10 Grips - Welcome. I like them here in the Texas heat as I get sweaty. Here's a pic of the grips on my P6, sorry don't have a photo of the P239, the grips look the same though:

 
I just picked up a West German 228 it came in a cardboard box. But it is old stock. All of the sigs I have carried 226's and a 229 have got better groups after a quiet a a few rounds have gone down range
 
thats a beauty of a little carry gun-accuracy unimportant
the thing is for close encounters from bad breath to ...

thanks for sharing