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#4
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May not be in vogue, but a encore or contender would be my choice.

There is always the ruger 77/22 hornet, however, after messing with mine for two years and every load I could dream up, I gave up trying to get it to shoot consistently under a inch at 100y.
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former naval person</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why? Self flagellation? When the .223 can do everything the K-Hornet does without the aggravation? Do a .223 AI if you want to "mess around". JMHO </div></div>

Why? Because I can. I was thinking more of a 22 mag that I can reload. I am kind of leaning towards the 20 though. The better question would be, why not...
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Malaga2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">pity...cz actions are ideal for that... </div></div>

I know it is but the backwards safety really bugs me!
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#7
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May not be in vogue, but a encore or contender would be my choice.

There is always the ruger 77/22 hornet, however, after messing with mine for two years and every load I could dream up, I gave up trying to get it to shoot consistently under a inch at 100y. </div></div>

I'm really looking for a bolt... The Ruger might work, I'll thread a Rock on it and that could very well work. I don't know how the improved version would feed out of that mag though.
 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Balthasar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May not be in vogue, but a encore or contender would be my choice.

There is always the ruger 77/22 hornet, however, after messing with mine for two years and every load I could dream up, I gave up trying to get it to shoot consistently under a inch at 100y. </div></div>

I'm really looking for a bolt... The Ruger might work, I'll thread a Rock on it and that could very well work. I don't know how the improved version would feed out of that mag though.</div></div>

to bad you don't want a contender, i have one in 22k hornet i am about to sell actually mine has a custom bullberry barrel, ss, g2 contender frame. i have brass/dies already also, along with a leupold 2-7 rimfire scope on it and a tuned trigger.

if you change your mind and our interested let me know i will make you a good deal on it.
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Balthasar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks. That's kind of what I thought.</div></div>

i went through this same process years ago when i bought my contender, just couldn't find a good repeater for it. which is why i ended up with the contender i just don't get as much time for varmints anymore. tactical match shooting has completely taken over.
 
#14
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still no great ideas on an action to use for a hornet build?

i too am leaning that way -- need something thats low on the noise front, but still has some reach
 
#17
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The ONLY 22 Hornet I owned that would shoot is the Browning A-Bolt. This is still cataloged and is a fine rifle.

Tried an Anschutz, maybe I didn't get a good rifle, but the results weren't Anschutz-like. The test target wasn't the greatest; I should have seen this as an omen.

BTW, my advice is to find as much RWS Hornet brass as you can find. I couldn't get decent results without it.

Saw a LNIB Browning Hornet at the local shop today priced-right, and I was tempted to pick it up, but I've got too many rifle irons in the fire right now with projects.


ETA: The Browning Hornet is a center-feed magazine, and works slick as snot. Beats the hell outta the Ruger and feeds better than the Annie IMHO.
 
#19
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I have Hornets in CZ 527 and a very expensive German single shot.

If it's the CZ bottom metal you don't like, there are guys doing flush mag conversions.

I also have a 700 light Varmint in .221 Fireball. Better brass with longer life. Very nearly a .222 in a rifle.

Underground Skunkworks has considered a M-323 in 5.7FN.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frog5215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also have a 700 light Varmint in .221 Fireball. Better brass with longer life.</div></div>

There you go, set it up for 55-60 grain v max and play with trailboss if you want quiet...ness
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frog5215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I also have a 700 light Varmint in .221 Fireball. Better brass with longer life. Very nearly a .222 in a rifle.
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Those LVSF's in .221 FB are awesome. Gave my father-in-law one and then Remington promptly discontinued it. First load I made up straight out of the manual with a 50gr V-Max and a mid charge of Lil Gun was in the .520" range with five shots.

Gave up trying to find another LVSF, gathered some components up for a new rifle and have them at the gunsmith right now waiting to be built up. I love that little cartridge, damn near .223 equal to 250 yards and not much more noise than a 22 magnum
 
#23
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I have had several of them, both hornet and k-hornet on many actions.
The only one I still have is a K-Hornet on a Browning Micro A-Bolt. If you can find one, that would be my recommendation. The mags are only 3 rounds, but they feed the sharp shoulders without a problem.

The action is smooth, and the extraction and ejection are positive. The downside to the stock rifle is it is SMALL. It will be a great started for my girls in a few years, but if you are a normal sized man, the stock is very short.
The weight is great for a light weight, easy carry varmint rifle.

Good Luck
 
#24
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I will check into the Browning. It's not a need rifle for sure. I have a 223 and 22LR, they will do anything a Hornet will. However, I want one anyway. I am pretty sure that if we all only had rifles that didn't overlap in performance, we wouldn't have nearly as many as most of us do.

Since I am going to build this one, I don't really care about the accuracy out of the box. I'm more concerned about the things that really can't get fixed easily, like the feeding and the triggers on some rifles. The stock on the other hand could be a problem if I can't get something inletted for it.
 
#25
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Behind one of our doors resides a Remmy 799 in Hornet chambering. In real life it is a baby Mauser built in Serbia marketed by Remmy. Not a bad little piece, and many an unwelcome visitor ( of the smaller chicken thieving variety ) has fallen to its capability. Light, quiet, handy,whats not to like.
I have a K reamer sitting in the drawer waiting.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pimpgun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Behind one of our doors resides a Remmy 799 in Hornet chambering. In real life it is a baby Mauser built in Serbia marketed by Remmy. Not a bad little piece, and many an unwelcome visitor ( of the smaller chicken thieving variety ) has fallen to its capability. Light, quiet, handy,whats not to like.
I have a K reamer sitting in the drawer waiting. </div></div>

I have come across these today. What style of saftey does it have?
 
#29
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If you want something a little different based on the 22 Hornet, try the 19 Calhoon. the 19 badger is also pretty cool, based on the 30 carbine. I used my uncles on a prarrie dog trip, and it performed much better than you would think inside 250 yards.
He sells complete rifles based on the CZ and the Ruge

http://www.jamescalhoon.com/

Also, if you dont mind a single shot, check out Cooper for the K hornet
 
#32
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Here's a close up of the 799 action showing the safety arrangement. They were imported as the Rem 799, Interarms Mini MK X, Charles Daly Mini Mauser, and you may find them marked Zastava M85. Personally I think they are great little actions and I plan on building up a few more. They have a simple flat breech so the shanks are idiot proof to cut. They are quite hard and truing them usually requires a good carbide bit. They don't have the set triggers like the CZ's but the stock ones are fully adjustable and can be set to break very crisply.

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#33
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That is a pretty little action. I do believe that is what I will have to find, as I have heard that the actions on the CZs are actually very soft behind the threaded portion. Thank you for that picture!
 
#34
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Not a problem sir. And for your edification, Charles Daly also imported and sold stripped, in the white actions as well. They can sometimes still be found NIB both left and right handed. When you search for one of these though look for all the importers that brought them in. Sometimes you can get the Interarms or CD guns for well under the $4-500 that the 799’s usually bring.
 
#37
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My smith is not too happy about this built. He said that he really would rather work on a CZ that th 799. We will see what is going to happen though, not sure about the 22 or 20 cal...
 
#38
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be carefull the CZ has issues with feeding through the detatchable mag you have to machine the ribs out of it to allow the ackley hornet to feed it is not the best option for the conversian. Here in Australia thousands of hornets have been converted but the CZ is one that is least used. try and find an early Sako they are about the best to convert and also the 799 would be a realy good action or the browning but the CZ is not a good contender. And we have done a few conversians as gunsmiths here in Australia. i also converted a CX to 5.7X28 because of the shorter case it allowed the cases to fit the mag better i machined the face of the bolt off then re fabricated a smaler face and silver soldered it on and extended the extractor and if you use a realy fast twist like a 6 or 7 twist they work realy well with 80gr A Max projectiles around 1050fps.
 
#39
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Are you on drugs , you want a good hornet rifle , but you will take a mini mauser ( Yugo/Serbia ) over a CZ .

I have played with the mini mauser , and other Zastava bolt rifles , and they are CRAP , use to own one , sold it real quick .

The Annie is rear locking and are known not to shoot well , just like the Rugers , Opps ,

If you do a little looking , you will find about the only Hornet that can shoot accurately and people will reccomend , is the CZ , so get over your self .

Later Chris
 
#40
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I think I have had more entertainment and surprises with performance with the Fireball of any pdog round I have owned and that is nearly every caliber. First 1 was using a VSSF 223 barrel that I had put 4800rds through. Cut 1.25" off and made a Fireball. That sucker would shoot easy sub .75. After 2500ish rds of Fireball it is starting to throw an occassional flier and getting a bit 'shallow ahead of chamber. For giggles I have shot it stupidly hot, like 35-40rd strings and it still kept my sick sense of humor amazed.lol

Bought a Classic but had to sell it to settle divorce so never shot it. This last fall I found a like new LVSF but haven't shot it. Twin brother has one that shoots super.

Never owned a Hornet but the next best round for cheap fun is the Bee. Dad's sister gave him a Model 65 when her husband died in '54 but he probably shot it 15times till '70. I got my first deer license and he had no idea of value. Traded it to local smith on a 770 Win 06. Smith gave him FIFTY FLIPPIN DOLLARS for it and installed a butt pad and sling on the 06 and a couple boxes of reloads. Don't know exactly what it was worth then but it would be worth more than that to me now.lol I had a Marlin, a #1B and 1S. Marlin shot super and #1B was so so. Never got around to the 1S as I had to sell all them to settle divorce also. Need to get another Bee of some sorts. Really would like a Cooper but was soured on them after the election fiasco. The brass is way heavier than the Hornet but actions are limited except for a TC setup currently. Never shot a Win 43 but that might be something to consider building on if you can find a reasonably priced one???

Well that is my 2 cents worth!
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Respectfully,
Dennis
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChrisF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Are you on drugs , you want a good hornet rifle , but you will take a mini mauser ( Yugo/Serbia ) over a CZ .

I have played with the mini mauser , and other Zastava bolt rifles , and they are CRAP , use to own one , sold it real quick .

The Annie is rear locking and are known not to shoot well , just like the Rugers , Opps ,

If you do a little looking , you will find about the only Hornet that can shoot accurately and people will reccomend , is the CZ , so get over your self .

Later Chris

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hey chris how about you pull your head in.
! the CZ iz a good action for a STANDARD hornet this throad is not about the STANDARD hornet but about a K Hornet one that is improved and the magazines DO NOT allow for them to fit correctly. with all your knowlidge go and get a K Hornet case and a CZ magazine and come back and comment when you have tried to fit it inside the magaxine and more than one. this guy is building a custom rifle so you are saying that the mauser action is no good for building a custon rifle on? sounds funny as the CZ is based of a mauser action. i also stated 2 other brands of actions that feed and work fine for the conversian so read the whole thread and before you moth off about things you realy dont seem to understand and that is not an issue with the action but an issue with the magazine that helps to make the whole rifle function. i am sure that he does not want a CZ single shot K Hornet i have also seen many of them because people go and have the barrel rechambered and get the rifle home fireform the cases then after all of that they find that THEY DO NOT FIT IN THE MAGAZINE.
 
#42
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the fireball is also a great option and allows you to look at a lot of different actions that the 223 is based on and if looking at 20 cal the 20 Vartarg is great but it is also a step up in rifle size and performance so it might not be what you want.

 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Balthasar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith is not too happy about this built. He said that he really would rather work on a CZ that th 799. We will see what is going to happen though, not sure about the 22 or 20 cal... </div></div>

Why is he not happy about the 799? Did he say or is it just a personal bias? I've built 2 and really like them. No magazine mods, welded bolt handle, scope mounts that keep the glass within 35' of bore axis. They may not be perfect but they're not bad either.
 
#44
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In my experience all the Zastava's I have used and handled , had very sticky bolts , ie not smooth at all , I used a ton of Autosol to try and slick up a Mini mauser , and had no luck at all .

I am not against the Mauser design , I like them as a rule , I donot like the Zastava sporting copies however .

Just found it interesting , some one would slang off a CZ quality action , and then pick a action that is usually , of a lesser quality .

I have also seen quite a few CZs that have been re-chambered in K-Hornet .




 
#45
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Well I'm not going to sit here and try to blow smoke up anyone’s ass and say they are Sako like in their silky smooth actions but I wouldn’t say it's all that much of a hindrance either. Yeah, the bolts can be sticky but for me it's the trade off to get the good internal mag and be able to use standard (lower) mounts. CZ does make some outstanding quality rifles for sure, but it's just not what I wanted and I'm willing to deal with the perceived drawbacks to get that.
 
#47
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I am going small so it is something my son can carry around in the next season or two and I won't have to carry both our rifles
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The fact that it is going to be a K-hornet is more of a fun thing than anything else. I want it to have a little bit more steam than the 22lr, but not in a full size action. I don't want to have to go single shot but it is looking that might be the route I will have to take or choose a different round to fit the bill.

It seems to me that there may be underlying quality issues with both the CZ and the 799, as some have had good luck with each and some have had but luck with each. I have discussed this built with two smiths that I trust their opinions and have gotten two different routes. My local guy that I bought my second lathe from has had good luck with the CZ and not so much with with the 799. The other smith that I hold in high regard, has stated concern about the CZ because the action in the back sections can be rather soft but the from ring is very hard...
 
#48
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Nothing says the action needs to be the same hardness all over. According to P.O. Ackleys books he spent a fair amount of time and effort to destroy some Japanese Arisaka ( sp) actions. Besides finding the early ones were tougher than boiled owl doo, the early ones had up to 60 different heat treats on the same action.
I believe either the 799 or the CZ would suffice to build a K repeater.
 
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