Kid's pediatrician asked about guns in the house

[Jethro21]

Re: Kid's pediatrician asked about guns in the house

allwheeldriven- I don't know how it worked for you, but when she asked me that question, it was prompted by her computer charting program. And she did record my answer-she waited for my response then typed it in. Seems like my response was put into some type of record...

Jethro

 

[ggmanning]

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It was put in your saved medical/patient history. Currently that and your records are protected by HIPPA laws. Obamacare will likely hijack most of the privacy you thought you had with your records. I don't have to supply my records to anyone without patient consent or a court order but don't expect the feds to waste such a good database for the sake of privacy laws!!!!

 

[UKDslayer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jethro21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nurse assist- Any guns in the house?
Me: You don't need to know any of this.
Nurse looks at me slightly irritated- Well are they locked up in a safe or something?
Me: That is an inappropriate question and none of your business.
Nurse- it is just something we ask, they are general questions.
Me: They are inappropriate, we are here for a dr appointment.

It irritates me that they asked any of those questions, and really ticked me off when she didn't let it go after I told her it wasn't her business. I should have thought faster and asked her something personal and none of my business, but I realize it is something her computer program asks for and she is just doing her job.

I am going to fire off a letter to the managment of that office though. I can only imagine they are documenting those answers and hard to say if they will end up in a government statistic or be a deciding factor in some insurance coverage thing.

Anyone have this happen to them?

Jethro </div></div>

PLEASE understand - it is not the doctor, the practice, the nurses, the medical society, that want to be asking these questions. This is part of "meaningful use" of centralized electronic medical records. I tried to explain this long ago on the S-2 intel section, so lets try again. Any doctor, practice, hospital etc. got 44K for implementing a computerized system with STANDARDIZED QUESTIONS that the government can tap into with few certain keys strokes at its discretion...answer yes = a specific 6 digit code, just like diagnoses codes for any psychiatric condition (including PTSD, mourning of a loved one, insomnia, depression, etc). When the time comes, the intersection of those codes will be run. GET IT NOW?? When you sign tons of "privacy" (HIPAA) consents this (government access via the ACA) is NOW in those HIPAA consents at the hospitals and practices. They can refuse to see you for not signing the privacy forms...they can't control to what extent you tell the truth. .Nuff said.

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

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Uh oh my Gaydar's going off.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: allwheeldriven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I did Pedi rotations this question was asked simply to make sure that parents are aware that guns needs to be locked up or kept out of reach of their children.
I am not sure what the paranoia some of you guys seem to be demonstrating is based on.
The answers to those questions don’t go in to any kind of record.
It’s the same as asking if you have covers over light plugs or cabinets and toilet seat covers that are child proofed.
You guys really can take the tinfoil hats off every now and then.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All three of our boys have been taught from their earliest years that the proper answer to that question is, "That is none of your business" and to then STFU, ie, be silent. I had one Dr. look at me at the dermatologist a few weeks ago and go,"Seriously?"
Before I could say anything, my middle son looks at her and says,
"I am here for an appointment to make sure my face and back are not permanently damaged from acne, not for you to see what we have in the house or do for recreation. Are your boobs real or fake?"
I almost fucking lost it. I was close to shaking trying to keep a very straight face, had to turn my head, take a deep breath, and look right at her as I said,"The boy asked you a question,are you ignoring him?"
You ever see a dermatologist turn deep red? I think her face matched her hair for a moment. The boy then launched into a very good, fact based reasoning on why one, she should not ask about that stuff, and two, how the entire gun control issue was rife with propaganda on the side of the left as she worked. Then he went on about how some people have stupid drift wings on their cars that can;t even do the speed limit in third gear...heh heheh heh, it was her car!
When we went back yesterday, she looks at Sam, and simply goes,"How have you been since you were here last?"
I find it so great that a 16 year old decimates people with his reasoning and fact based speech. I should never have given him Weston's 'The Rulebook of Arguments' As we were leaving, he asked her where she got her wing at and goes,"I think it would look good on our Zenki, but it needs to sit about 4" lower" </div></div>

Personally, if your son had been my patient I would have just stood up and told you to kick rocks and find another doctor. I don’t know any specialist that is hurting for patients bad enough to put up with that kind of disrespect from someone coming to them seeking help.
“Are your boobs real or fake?”….followed by “can you help me?”
Sounds like a class act.
Oh and FWIW,
Every question your doctor asks you is for your benefit not theirs. There are plenty of drugs that can cause severe and sudden depression, including some used to treat acne.
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[HillbillyfromAL]

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If the doctors weren't reporting these questions to the government, why would the POTUS make it a point in a recent speech that it was a ligitimate question? I'm not a "tin foil hat" type but sometimes you need need to seek the truth. I'd be willing to bet there's not a single parent who's a gun owner that doesn't know they are supposed to keep their guns out of their children's hands. There might be many who don't care, but they all know.
Don't buy the bullshit people, it ain't the same as steak.

 

[Maser]

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Never was asked that by my kid's doctors, but was asked about it when I went through the process of becoming legal guardian over my little brother. That I can understand, but no idea why a doctor would need to know that.

 

[areaone]

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Got my Medicare card in October, visited my DR yesterday for annual bloodwork. I was requested to complete four forms since they were utilizing a new computer system, you guessed it, one form gave them the ability to release info to Govt't. Now this Dr. is 66 years old and will be retiring in a couple years, I know him well, 2nd generation physician, not sold out to the local Hospitals and a real deal MD., I know he would not be spending $$$ for a "new" computer system, Hello Big Brother.

 

[hankpac]

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Your Doc will be retiring, and is probably looking to sell his practice, rather than just close up shop, and give his records to his patients. While that gives far better continuity, for his patients the consents like the one you mention, all ride over. The new guy may just be a member of "Doctors For Progress" or some other left wing group, only too proud to forward info to the government. Remember: always answer that question NO.
If he is your good bud, ask him for your records. The entire original jacket.

 

[mom x 3]

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Like UKD said, it's all part of the EMR system. I am currently contracted with two practitioners' offices to do their medical transcription and have been doing so in my home for 19 years. One office is also a Veteran's CBOC clinic. They had to make changes with their veteran patients as the VA ultimately decided they didn't want that transcription going out of office. After many discussions, they set up a phone system for dictation directly to the VAMC as the doc refused to sit and type at a computer while treating his patient. All other info is typed or scanned into the system by a nurse, including questions and outside test results. So the questions you are answering are going into a permanent record. Now the docs I work for have said they will refuse to switch to the EMR system and will pay the fine...yes there is a penalty for not complying. I'm okay with that since it keeps me in a job. As for the gun question, I have never had ANY physician ask me about guns in our home with myself or any of our children, ages 21, 18 and 7. Then again, they are now seen by one of the above physicians, and it is pretty much a given.

 

[ArcticLight]

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If you flip them crap they will probably write "YES" on your answer.

Kindly answer "No" and move on.

 

[rpk762]

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Wow what do you guys do to own a gun? Hell they are super spendy. Not to mention what ammo must cost. Even when I was in I never got to fire a gun. Howitzer a few times but never a gun. I can in good faith answer no to that question. Now if they ask firearms I may have to lie.

 

[KYpatriot]

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Treat any visit to a pediatrician just like you would if you are giving an official statement to the police (which you shouldn't do voluntarily). Pediatricians and social workers can turn your life upside gown over the smallest thing. Happened to a good friend of mine I was stationed with a few years back. I won't go I to the story here since it isn't my story to tell, but suffice it to say a pediatrician with an agenda can have you in a sling most riki tik. Never let them talk to your child alone.

 

[roggom]

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Doc: Do you have any guns in your home.
Dad: Is your wife wearing any underwear.
Doc: That is personal and not relevant to this visit.
Dad: Exactly.

 

[Nukes]

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A fine young man in the making! Good work!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All three of our boys have been taught from their earliest years that the proper answer to that question is, "That is none of your business" and to then STFU, ie, be silent. I had one Dr. look at me at the dermatologist a few weeks ago and go,"Seriously?"
Before I could say anything, my middle son looks at her and says,
"I am here for an appointment to make sure my face and back are not permanently damaged from acne, not for you to see what we have in the house or do for recreation. Are your boobs real or fake?"
I almost fucking lost it. I was close to shaking trying to keep a very straight face, had to turn my head, take a deep breath, and look right at her as I said,"The boy asked you a question,are you ignoring him?"
You ever see a dermatologist turn deep red? I think her face matched her hair for a moment. The boy then launched into a very good, fact based reasoning on why one, she should not ask about that stuff, and two, how the entire gun control issue was rife with propaganda on the side of the left as she worked. Then he went on about how some people have stupid drift wings on their cars that can;t even do the speed limit in third gear...heh heheh heh, it was her car!
When we went back yesterday, she looks at Sam, and simply goes,"How have you been since you were here last?"
I find it so great that a 16 year old decimates people with his reasoning and fact based speech. I should never have given him Weston's 'The Rulebook of Arguments' As we were leaving, he asked her where she got her wing at and goes,"I think it would look good on our Zenki, but it needs to sit about 4" lower" </div></div>

 

[Nukes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: allwheeldriven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I did Pedi rotations this question was asked simply to make sure that parents are aware that guns needs to be locked up or kept out of reach of their children.
I am not sure what the paranoia some of you guys seem to be demonstrating is based on.
The answers to those questions don’t go in to any kind of record...
</div></div>

Baloney! This is a standard intake question in most commercial EMR (Electronic Medical record) software. The answer becomes a <span style="text-decoration: underline">permanent</span> part of the medical record. With rare exceptions, the answer gets sent with all the rest of the "fluff" padding the record to maximize billing reimbursement on <span style="text-decoration: underline">every</span> bill sent to insurance and government payers.

Except for the rare "cash only" boutique medical practice, the EMR is standard. In general, the doctor can't get paid by insurance or welfare without the electronic billing/record modules.

If you want to know the intent of these "pediatric" questions, look at Katherine Kaufer Christoffel MD's publications (and those of Arthur Kellermann MD et al.) from the 1990's. "Safety" is the cover story used by this cabal of seriously committed gun banners.

If you really want a show-stopper, simply mention to your gun ban doctor that <span style="color: red"><span style="font-weight: bold">doctors kill 5 times as many people as guns.</span></span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...<span style="font-weight: bold">Cost-without-benefit analysis (Doctors or Guns – Which is the deadlier menace?)</span>

Amongst the most pervasive flaws in the medical literature on guns is the discussion of the “costs” of gun violence without any consideration of the innocent lives saved by guns. These and other benefits of guns are not so “intangible” as has been dogmatically claimed.17 We would be mortified if our colleagues’ cost-without-benefit analysis18,19 became the standard for evaluating the medical profession. The 1990 Harvard Medical Practice Study quantified non-psychiatric inpatient deaths from physician negligence (excluding outpatient, extended care, and inpatient psychiatric deaths) in New York State.20 “If these rates are typical of the United States, then 180,000 people die each year partly as a result of iatrogenic injury, the equivalent of three jumbo-jet crashes every two days.”21 – almost five times the number of Americans killed with guns. One might fairly conclude from such a “costs only” analysis that doctors are a deadly public menace. Why do we not reach that conclusion? Because, in balance, doctors save many more lives than they take and so it is with guns....

17 Kassirer JP. Correspondence. N Engl J. Med 1992; 326:1159-60.
18 Adler KP, Barondess JA, Cohen JJ, Farber SJ, et al. Firearm violence and public health: limiting the availability of guns. JAMA. 1994; 271(16): 1281-83.
19 Mock C, Pilcher S, and Maier R. Comparison of the costs of acute treatment for gunshot and stab wounds: further evidence of the need for firearms control. J. Trauma. 1994; 36(4):516-21.
20 Harvard Medical Practice Study. Report to the State of New York. Cambridge MA: Harvard Medical School. 1990.
21 Leape LL. Error in medicine. JAMA. 1994; 272(23): 1851-57.

excerpt from:
Suter EA, Waters WC 4th, Murray GB, Hopkins CB, Asiaf J, Moore JB, Fackler M, Cowan DN, Eckenhoff RG, Singer TR, et al.
Violence in America. Effective solutions.
J Med Assoc Ga. 1995 Jun;84(6):253-63. Review.
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[Nukes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was put in your saved medical/patient history. Currently that and your records are protected by HIPPA laws. Obamacare will likely hijack most of the privacy you thought you had with your records. I don't have to supply my records to anyone without patient consent or a court order but don't expect the feds to waste such a good database for the sake of privacy laws!!!! </div></div>

HIPPA does NOT protect your privacy. HIPPA does the exact opposite. HIPPA:

(1) Makes it more difficult for treating doctors (and nurses) to share records to help you
and
(2) Allows insurance companies and the government to pool and access your medical information.

Be sure that the content of legislation often does the opposite of the title. "Patriot" Act, not patriotic. "Privacy" Act, not private.

 

[Nukes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Treat any visit to a pediatrician just like you would if you are giving an official statement to the police (which you shouldn't do voluntarily). Pediatricians and social workers can turn your life upside gown over the smallest thing. Happened to a good friend of mine I was stationed with a few years back. I won't go I to the story here since it isn't my story to tell, but suffice it to say a pediatrician with an agenda can have you in a sling most riki tik. Never let them talk to your child alone. </div></div>

This is seriously excellent advice.

The medical system has been weaponized against you, especially against parents of minor children. In over 30 years as a physician, <span style="text-decoration: underline">not once</span> have I ever seen CPS (Child "Protective" Services) do the right thing. I have seen them leave injured children with crack whores and abusive parents. I have seen them take children from loving religious parents.

I have been qualified as an expert witness to help people victimized by vindictive doctors. It is not a rarity. Be very careful <span style="text-decoration: underline">what</span> you say and <span style="text-decoration: underline">how</span> you say it.

This will only worsen with ObamaCare.