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KIMBER Hacked - And Surprise - they store your CC and the CVE

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    I got a call from my credit card company yesterday. Two different entities posted 0$ transactions to my account on Tuesday. Then this morning I get this in the mail from Kimber. Sure enough I used that card to buy some spare parts from Kimber in that time period.

    Who the fuck stores CC in their system these days? And how can Kimber or their third party claim to be PCI complaint ( capable of accepting card not present payments) when they store the CVE? Who is the CISO at Kimber and who is their "third party" hosting service? Who coded this shit and who runs that company?

    Note this :"The privacy and security of information is of the utmost importance to us and we sincerely regret any concern this incident may cause you."

    No, it's not. You did not know what you were doing and screwed up.




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    We are writing to notify you of an incident that may affect the privacy of certain information recently provided to us, and to provide you with information about the incident, our response, and resources we are making available to you. On November 7, 2023, Kimber learned an unknown party accessed a software tool used to administer the Kimber online store, which is managed by a third-party. Kimber immediately conducted an investigation and determined the tool was potentially used to gain unauthorized access to certain Kimber customer order information between October 23, 2023, and November 7, 2023. Kimber determined the order information potentially accessed without authorization included your name and the credit card number, expiration date, and CVV code you provided to make a purchase on the Kimber online store between October 23, 2023, and November 7, 2023. Please note we have no reason to believe there was any unauthorized access to information about the specific product(s) you purchased. In response to this incident, we have implemented additional security features on our website and are reviewing our policies and procedures related to data protection. We have also notified law enforcement. While we have no evidence that any information has been misused, in an abundance of caution, we are offering you access to credit monitoring services at no charge. These services provide you with alerts for 12 months from the date of enrollment when changes occur to your credit file. This notification is sent to you the same day that the change or update takes place with the bureau. Finally, we are providing you with proactive fraud assistance to help with any questions that you might have or in the event that you become a victim of fraud. These services will be provided by Cyberscout through Identity Force, a TransUnion company specializing in fraud assistance and remediation services. We encourage you to monitor your credit card statements for suspicious activity and to report any unauthorized transactions to your financial institution immediately. Additionally, we encourage you to enroll in the complimentary credit monitoring and identity protection services we are making available to you. Information about how to enroll in these services, along with additional resources available to you, are below. Representatives will be available starting on December 1, 2023, and for 90 days thereafter, to assist you with questions regarding this incident between the hours of 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern time, Monday through Friday, excluding holidays. Please call the help line at 1-833-990-4044 and supply the fraud specialist with your unique code listed below, or write to us at 200 Industrial Park Blvd, Troy, AL 36081. The privacy and security of information is of the utmost importance to us and we sincerely regret any concern this incident may cause you. Sincerely, Kimber
     
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    There are 2 kinds of companies in this world. Those that have been hacked and those that will get hacked. This is part of modern day life.

    More than likely their credit card processor got hacked.
     
    We have another discussion going on this site that is related. It has to do with a person not wanting to give out any info and simply do a cash purchase.
    Here is a challenge - Start holding back on giving a vendor your "seemingly harmless info" and just pay attention to their push back in order to get that info.
    The vendor's first push back reply "We don't sell your info !"... Think back long ago when suddenly you got an email receipt for one of your purchases without giving the merchant your email address. Even your bank is selling your info.
    Notice when you include your phone number in an email to a friend or family member... Suddenly you start getting ROBO calls.
    The most naive reply I got was "You might as well give me your info, it's all out there anyway"... 🥺
    You have no guarantee that one of the 3 letter Government agencies won't raid a vendor and gather all of that sensitive info.

    Go ahead, take a number and get in line to label me as paranoid. Just how I roll with my info.
     
    Complaining about poor security practices of merchants is an exercise in futility. You cannot fix it, and our "leadership" will not fix it (in the short term). Best thing you can do is insulate yourself. Look into privacy.com which enables you to generate disposable, temp, or limited use CCs. That's really the best defense.

    Also, look into the work of Michael Bazzell he also had a podcast (discontinued recently) that has boatloads of info on navigating modernday privacy issues.
    Kit Perez has been teaching this for many, many years. She has the credentials to back up what she is saying. Not some "Johnny Come Lately".
     
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    We have another discussion going on this site that is related. It has to do with a person not wanting to give out any info and simply do a cash purchase.
    Here is a challenge - Start holding back on giving a vendor your "seemingly harmless info" and just pay attention to their push back in order to get that info.
    The vendor's first push back reply "We don't sell your info !"... Think back long ago when suddenly you got an email receipt for one of your purchases without giving the merchant your email address. Even your bank is selling your info.
    Notice when you include your phone number in an email to a friend or family member... Suddenly you start getting ROBO calls.
    The most naive reply I got was "You might as well give me your info, it's all out there anyway"... 🥺
    You have no guarantee that one of the 3 letter Government agencies won't raid a vendor and gather all of that sensitive info.

    Go ahead, take a number and get in line to label me as paranoid. Just how I roll with my info.
    I have a virtual phone number that I use for online purchases, selling on Craigslist, etc. It forwards to my cell phone.

    The robo callers must have a way of figuring out that it is a virtual number, or maybe there is a good filter on it, because I can't remember the last time that I received a robo call on that number.
     
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    absolutely nothing is secure or private anymore

    You are lying to yourself if you think anything is. My information has been stolen dozens of time via no fault of my own.
    I am not even sure where to start, but I think the worst and most broad was a health insurance company breach maybe 10 years back. I don't care how 'private' and 'safe' you are with your own data, if you see a doctor or dentist and you have insurance, the door to your information is wide fucking open.

    I have 4-5 different credit cards, one gets stolen about once a year, I just use the others until it gets replaced
    All my credit information is frozen, this is so easy to do these days you are an idiot for not doing it (I did it when it was a pain in the ass to freeze and unfreeze)

    Get an IPPIN for your tax returns. Its a hassle, but well worth it if you are one of these fools that overpays your taxes and gets a big refund every year. Someone takes your refunds (happens to thousands) and you are not getting it back :D yeah the IRS is going to help :D :D :D


    I also have my credit cards send me a text or email or whatever they offer any time one of my cards is used for anything. Have the fraud phone numbers to all in my cell phone contacts. I see something not right, shut it down immediately.

    The world we live in sucks and favors the criminals. Its all a pain in the ass, but better to be on top of it and in front of it instead of days/weeks behind it.

    Your information will get stolen, only a matter of time.
     
    We have another discussion going on this site that is related. It has to do with a person not wanting to give out any info and simply do a cash purchase.
    Here is a challenge - Start holding back on giving a vendor your "seemingly harmless info" and just pay attention to their push back in order to get that info.
    The vendor's first push back reply "We don't sell your info !"... Think back long ago when suddenly you got an email receipt for one of your purchases without giving the merchant your email address. Even your bank is selling your info.
    Notice when you include your phone number in an email to a friend or family member... Suddenly you start getting ROBO calls.
    The most naive reply I got was "You might as well give me your info, it's all out there anyway"... 🥺
    You have no guarantee that one of the 3 letter Government agencies won't raid a vendor and gather all of that sensitive info.

    Go ahead, take a number and get in line to label me as paranoid. Just how I roll with my info.

    I never fill out that info. Sometimes the phone number field wants SOMETHING so I give them SOMETHING but it’s usually 123-123-1234
     
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    There are 2 kinds of companies in this world. Those that have been hacked and those that will get hacked. This is part of modern day life.

    More than likely their credit card processor got hacked.

    Yeah, kind of doubt that it was the "processors". Even the admin screens at the major processors do not show the CVE. To be PCI 3.2 and above compliant, you cannot store the CVE - they clearly state they did.

    I've been a CISO off and on over the years and consulted as well. Security is well understood these days. The phrase "There are two companies in the world" is an excuse for sloppy senior leadership. Sloppy coding. Sloppy network management. Sloppy planning and execution.

    If you have a good security program, you will not get hacked because they get caught the moment they try or they cannot get a foothold. The really catastrophic hacks are caused by either lack of hygiene and controls or a development staff run rampant.

    Most hacks are by cartels for money. Mostly ransom attacks. Once they get their hands slapped, they go away.
     
    Wait, people still own kimbers?

    I do. it's one of the first Kimber custom 1911s. It's mine since 2001. Most accurate pistol I own. It can do a sub 6 el prez and bang a six inch plate at 25 yards all day. It's been my daily carry for 15 years.

    I put a new red dot on it, replaced the guide rod, and got some spare parts. I also got a new leather IWB appendix holster for it. Yes, Kimber is overpriced, but I did not want to do the research to get parts that fit. Their site was the easy button.

    The older 1911s are a very good deal these days. Add a red dot, and you can't miss.
     
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    I do. it's one of the first Kimber custom 1911s. It's mine since 2001. Most accurate pistol I own. It can do a sub 6 el prez and bang a six inch plate at 25 yards all day. It's been my daily carry for 15 years.

    I put a new red dot on it, replaced the guide rod, and got some spare parts. I also got a new leather IWB appendix holster for it. Yes, Kimber is overpriced, but I did not want to do the research to get parts that fit. Their site was the easy button.

    The older 1911s are a very good deal these days. Add a red dot, and you can't miss.
    The older ones are good. Had a pro carry series 1 that was great for a while, but then started giving me trouble. I want a 1911 style pistol, but thinking about a stacatto or some gucci shit, but ive never owned a high end pistol and want one for no good reason.

    Which red dot did you end up with?
     
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    I never fill out that info. Sometimes the phone number field wants SOMETHING so I give them SOMETHING but it’s usually 123-123-1234
    If you go look up his threads. He wanted to buy in person from an online retailer who lets people pick up orders on location by appointment. When he refused to give them any info they said ok thanks. He tried to portray it much differently but then Bitterroot brass showed up and posted the e-mails. 🤣🤣🤣
     
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    absolutely nothing is secure or private anymore

    You are lying to yourself if you think anything is. My information has been stolen dozens of time via no fault of my own.
    I am not even sure where to start, but I think the worst and most broad was a health insurance company breach maybe 10 years back. I don't care how 'private' and 'safe' you are with your own data, if you see a doctor or dentist and you have insurance, the door to your information is wide fucking open.

    I have 4-5 different credit cards, one gets stolen about once a year, I just use the others until it gets replaced
    All my credit information is frozen, this is so easy to do these days you are an idiot for not doing it (I did it when it was a pain in the ass to freeze and unfreeze)

    Get an IPPIN for your tax returns. Its a hassle, but well worth it if you are one of these fools that overpays your taxes and gets a big refund every year. Someone takes your refunds (happens to thousands) and you are not getting it back :D yeah the IRS is going to help :D :D :D


    I also have my credit cards send me a text or email or whatever they offer any time one of my cards is used for anything. Have the fraud phone numbers to all in my cell phone contacts. I see something not right, shut it down immediately.

    The world we live in sucks and favors the criminals. Its all a pain in the ass, but better to be on top of it and in front of it instead of days/weeks behind it.

    Your information will get stolen, only a matter of time.
    Gettin' harder to hide money. Uncle Sugga wants your money... By any means.
    Who gets that 'restitution money".... LOL

    A major Swiss bank admitted to conspiring with U.S. taxpayers and others to hide over $5.6 billion from the Internal Revenue Service, the Department of Justice announced Monday.
    Banque Pictet, the private banking division of the 218-year-old Pictet Group, will pay about $122.9 million in restitution and penalties as part of an agreement with prosecutors.
    Between 2008 and 2014, the bank had 1,637 accounts on behalf of American clients, who collectively evaded approximately $50.6 million in U.S. taxes, the DOJ said.


     
    We have another discussion going on this site that is related. It has to do with a person not wanting to give out any info and simply do a cash purchase.
    Here is a challenge - Start holding back on giving a vendor your "seemingly harmless info" and just pay attention to their push back in order to get that info.
    The vendor's first push back reply "We don't sell your info !"... Think back long ago when suddenly you got an email receipt for one of your purchases without giving the merchant your email address. Even your bank is selling your info.
    Notice when you include your phone number in an email to a friend or family member... Suddenly you start getting ROBO calls.
    The most naive reply I got was "You might as well give me your info, it's all out there anyway"... 🥺
    You have no guarantee that one of the 3 letter Government agencies won't raid a vendor and gather all of that sensitive info.

    Go ahead, take a number and get in line to label me as paranoid. Just how I roll with my info.
    We all know about your bullshit post, where you proved to the world you are a fucking liar . Fuck off and quit crying .
     
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