Lapua 260 Brass

#2
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Waiting to find out how much it costs also. I don't think it's going to be cheaper than the Lapua 243 brass, which goes for about mid $70s/100 right now.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wildcatsfan11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And I was just starting to lean toward 6.5x47, things can change so quickly </div></div>

+ ONE

Not anymore.
 
#8
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This just made my month! My newest build concept is a 260AI based on a Surgeon Tactical/Kreiger/HS Precision/Jewell & NF glass...

The 260 Rem has exploded over the past few years & with premium Lapua brass coming it will accelerate it's growth & popularity!
 
#9
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Well I guess the lapua rep. I spoke to months ago wasn't lying! This is awesome. Bad part is that everyone is gonna want some and I'll bet one will be lucky to get 100 pieces much less what one may need. I hope Lapua makes plenty to go around. I still say it'll be March-April before we see any of it in the US. Keep you fingers crossed.
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wildcatsfan11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And I was just starting to lean toward 6.5x47, things can change so quickly</div></div>

+2, just thinking the same exact thing
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 18Echo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, this really blows. I already bought my forster ultra mic die set and 100 6.5x47 Lapua cases from Brunos......</div></div>

I did the same exact thing. Thinking about returning my stuff for a refund.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matthew Lundy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm still undecided. My 47 was a hammer. So much so that I'm just not sure its possible to squeeze amy more performaance out of a 6.5. </div></div>

True, true, true!
 
#16
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People were making .260 out of .243 Lapua for years and I am sure still will. Don't worry about the Creedmoor
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Honestly, Lapua brass is very good but it's not the be all, end all of brass and you don't need it to shoot accurately. I have shot as good with mildly prepped(clean primer pocket/trim/chamfer/deburr) Win brass as with the 308 Lapua brass I have used. And for the price I don't see any advantage to it especially if you are tactical match shooting and losing half your brass at each match. Sorry but the emperor has no clothes in my opinion.

Ok let the attacks begin
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#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BullzeyeNJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 18Echo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, this really blows. I already bought my forster ultra mic die set and 100 6.5x47 Lapua cases from Brunos......</div></div>

I did the same exact thing. Thinking about returning my stuff for a refund.

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Well according to the Zak Smith's piece on the 6.5's they all are pretty much indistinguishable from each other for the (man I hate to use this word...) "tactical" shooter. So since I already have the components and a dummy round built for Dave Kiff I'll just keep the 47 Lapua....
 
#18
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It's amazing how many matches have been won with a .260 Remington without the use of Lapua brass. Do ya'll think now that with this overpriced brass coming to market it will make regular old .260 Remington brass obsolete???
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 18Echo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BullzeyeNJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 18Echo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, this really blows. I already bought my forster ultra mic die set and 100 6.5x47 Lapua cases from Brunos......</div></div>

I did the same exact thing. Thinking about returning my stuff for a refund.

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Well according to the Zak Smith's piece on the 6.5's they all are pretty much indistinguishable from each other for the (man I hate to use this word...) "tactical" shooter. So since I already have the components and a dummy round built for Dave Kiff I'll just keep the 47 Lapua.... </div></div>

Im sticking with the 6.5x47 too. The ballistics are so close together its not worth the hassle to go switching all my components and having the smith change reamers.
 
#20
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No but I always felt Remington charged a preium for their .260 brass considering what it was. I think the introduction of Lapua brass will normalize Remington's price on brass.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hgr2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's amazing how many matches have been won with a .260 Remington without the use of Lapua brass. Do ya'll think now that with this overpriced brass coming to market it will make regular old .260 Remington brass obsolete??? </div></div>
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: inode</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No but I always felt Remington charged a preium for their .260 brass considering what it was. I think the introduction of Lapua brass will normalize Remington's price on brass.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hgr2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's amazing how many matches have been won with a .260 Remington without the use of Lapua brass. Do ya'll think now that with this overpriced brass coming to market it will make regular old .260 Remington brass obsolete??? </div></div> </div></div>

+1 I wouldn't pay $.40+ a piece for it with or without Lapua brass. I know many like it and it serves them well, but seems to be way to much culling involved for my liking.
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, Lapua brass is very good but it's not the be all, end all of brass and you don't need it to shoot accurately.</div></div>
And yet most top competitive shooters use lapua.

260 even with lapua brass is still the worst choice of the 3, trade a 6.5x47 for 260 makes no sense

Still not my $$ so have a nut, do ya research

lapua 260 brass is such a non event, off shelf cheap n cheerful 6.5CM has all ya need its what the 260 always wanted to be from a design aspect.
Running $$ brass in a tak rig is like tossing dollar notes into the weeds, use good components Win or hornady brass is perfect functional and not gonna make ya cry when ya lose it.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/04/hot-243-based-wildcats-the-243-br-k-and-6mm-super-x/
I just completed my version closer to BR-K, .350 neck and 40' shoulder no fireforming required just run thru die.
Still i like to experiment, if ya dont go with BR-K or SLR.
Dont want to run a wildcat x47 or 6.5CM will do ya right.
 
#24
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I look at like this. if i am going to spend x amount of money on a custom action why wouldn't i shoot the best components money can buy. A box of Lapua brass vs a box of remington isnt even worth fussing over. the Lapua wins every time! You can rest assured its made properly and the necks are uniform. Very few if any un explained fliers. Now with all that said i dont really see a need for Lapua 260 brass. the introduction of the small primer hole 308 lapua brass will make better 260 brass in the end anyway. there is a reason the top benchrest shooters in the world shoot the 6.5x47 and not the 260 rem and one of those reasons is the small primer, among others. Lapua all the way but if were to do a 260 or a 260AI it would be with small primer pocket lapua 308 brass!! Lee
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skeetlee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I look at like this. if i am going to spend x amount of money on a custom action why wouldn't i shoot the best components money can buy. A box of Lapua brass vs a box of remington isnt even worth fussing over. the Lapua wins every time! You can rest assured its made properly and the necks are uniform. Very few if any un explained fliers. Now with all that said i dont really see a need for Lapua 260 brass. the introduction of the small primer hole 308 lapua brass will make better 260 brass in the end anyway. there is a reason the top benchrest shooters in the world shoot the 6.5x47 and not the 260 rem and one of those reasons is the small primer, among others. Lapua all the way but if were to do a 260 or a 260AI it would be with small primer pocket lapua 308 brass!! Lee </div></div>

Cartridges: Lapua Small Primer .308
Lapua Small Primer .308 Brass by Germán A. Salazar

"My first impression, therefore, is that this was one heck of a lot of work for no noticeable improvement under typical Palma conditions. Elevation dispersion was the same and the scores were about the same. Increased risk of reduced ignition under adverse conditions for no performance gain under ideal conditions is a poor trade-off. I'll shoot this brass again at least once, but I don't see any magic - not that I expected any."

http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2010/01/cartridges-lapua-small-primer-308.html
 
#27
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I think German is basing his experience on a bad lot of brass. He reported an AVERAGE of .003" wall thickness variation. Using my NECO and inspecting 100 cases, I found 2 with .0015" and those were the worst. The average for my batch was .0007".

German bags on these every chance he gets, but when he shot them the first time, I don't think he even worked up a load with them... new brass and new primers require at least a new load workup.

I am a huge fan of German's and am a religious reader of his blog, but he gave this brass short thrift. It reminds me of an old quote from Cheers, "I tried that positive thinking crap and I knew it wouldn't work and sure enough, it didn't."
 
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I shoot with a few f-class guys and after one guy tested a batch of .308 small rifle primer brass and had good results everyone got some and seem to like it. Although don't expect miracles one guy cut his ES by 22%(the best of the 4 who are using it) the rest was around 11-15% They are using RL-15 and Varget and I think one uses n135. The guy who cut is ES down by 22% uses varget. Also all 4 use wolf primers of older lots.
 
#33
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Surprised to see all these anti opinions. As far as I am concerned, it would be a great thing if Lapua made brass for all calibers. It is good stuff, plain and simple.

If i had to make a prediction, I would say they are going to sell way more of this than they ever will in 6.5X47.
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People were making .260 out of .243 Lapua for years and I am sure still will. Don't worry about the Creedmoor
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Honestly, Lapua brass is very good but it's not the be all, end all of brass and you don't need it to shoot accurately. I have shot as good with mildly prepped(clean primer pocket/trim/chamfer/deburr) Win brass as with the 308 Lapua brass I have used. And for the price I don't see any advantage to it especially if you are tactical match shooting and losing half your brass at each match. Sorry but the emperor has no clothes in my opinion.

Ok let the attacks begin
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I humbly agree. I just had a 308 built (by an awesome gunsmith, BTW) and am working up initial loads for it. I had originally wanted a 260 or 6.5x47 built but, after some advice, opted to stick with 308. Price and quality of Winchester brass was part of the decision. So, I've just fired my first 6 groups with virgin Win brass and Lapua 155 Scenars. With no prep besides VLD chamfering, at 100 yds everything groups pretty well with one group measuring 0.372" and another group measuring 0.147"!! And this is still part of the barrel break in process where I'm cleaning every 3 shots! Personally, I don't think I need to pay double for Lapua brass. If Win offered 260 brass for $40/100, then I might get excited.

All that said, I'm sure Lapua brass will solidify the 260 at the top of many competitions worldwide. It will be a tough combination to beat in many disciplines.
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hgr2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's amazing how many matches have been won with a .260 Remington without the use of Lapua brass. Do ya'll think now that with this overpriced brass coming to market it will make regular old .260 Remington brass obsolete??? </div></div>

NO but it may make it cheaper
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#37
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that is great all you guys buy all the r.p. and win 7-08 you can

that will make it easy for those of us that choose to shoot the lapua 260 brass able to find it in stock and not have to worry about running out of brass


i am far more worried about finding 6.5mm bergers than good brass for a 260 personally
 
#40
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Apparently, I'm the only person who noticed a problem in the Lapua loading chart.
Using the 144 grain bullet, and N560 powder, they show:
2.56 grains of powder=2579fps
2.90 grains of powder-2559fps (and this is in Blue indicating this is the max load)

How can a higher powder charge show a slower velocity and be the max loading? I think Lapua got dyslexic when they wrote this down the FPS for this charge.
 
#42
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My last 2 outings with my Palma rifle where at 1000 yards. Palma = sling/coat/irons/308/155s for those not familiar with the term. 1 MOA X ring, 2 MOA 10 ring for a target.

I had been suspicious of my box of 50 cases that were several times fired Winchester, unsorted by weight. I usually shot them at 600 only but had experimented with them at 800 with mixed results. As a point of reference, before I decided to go down the Lapua brass path for 308, I had a full case of 1000 new WIN cases, all the same lot. After attempting to sort them by weight and having just horrible consistency within the lot, I packaged them back up and sold them cheap, putting the $$ back into 500 pieces of Lapua brass. My Lapua brass also has several firings on it (4-6 firings on both the WIN and the Lapua brass)

At any rate, in both sessions, on two different ranges in two different states, I started with 10 rounds Lapua brass followed by 10 rounds WIN brass. I experienced the following:

Session 1:
- first 10 shots, - 100-4X. Shots on call, waterline elevation. Clean Cold bore, so I had dialed in some elevation I did not need and shot 2 10s at 1 o'clock before dialing down into the X ring. Shoulda been a 6X clean.
- second 10 shots, 99-3X. Chasing elevation shot-shot; call was sometimes on, sometimes off.

Session 2:
- first 10 shots, - 100-5X. Shots on call, waterline elevation. 2 sighters preceded the string to get dialed on elevation for conditions.
- second 10 shots, 98-3X. Chasing elevation shot-shot; call was sometimes on, sometimes off.

1000 yards with a standard chambering really tests the velocity consistency of ammo. The only variable was the brass in this shooting. A combination of neck tension and case volume is what I believe is the culprit causing the differences in my strings.

I am very happy to see Lapua bring 260 brass to market. My next build will be a 260 because of it.

 
#43
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I bought some Remington brass in the past and cleaned it up (primer pockets, trim, flash hole, neck turned and deburred) it shot really well.

I bought some off of midway this past spring for some replacements and it was the worst brass I had ever seen. Primer pockes off center and angled, flash holes all over the place and lets not talk about the 30 or 40 that were half crushed at the mouth. Terrible!

I broke down and bought some Lapua .243 and made my own. It was my fist time buying Lapua but it won't be my last, it was top shelf stuff. I'm sure it will be a wait for them, but I'm in line : )

JamieD

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#45
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Obviously the cat is out of the bag

The 260 is my favorite of the 6.5s because I have had great results with it. The 6.5x47s I have shot could not push the 139s to the 2800fps plus I get from the 260. Now I dont have any experience with 6.5 Grendel so any comments I make have nothing to do with it.

As to brass quality. Lapua wins over everything else hands down. I was at a meeting last year with engineers from Lapua and was asked what I did to my new 308 Lapua brass before shooting it. I just replied put a primer, powder and bullet in it. No sizing first, no more turning case mouths, no flash hole deburring. Now for 1000 yard I do weight sort cases and put into lots because I always have with all cases.

This is a far cry less from what I did to Remington 260 cases where I had so much time invested in each I was thinking of naming them all.

On the reported Lapua reloading manual mistake, please point me in the direction of where it is so I can get proper person notified.
 
#46
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I beg to differ
6.5x47 with a 28" or longer barrel will make 2900fps + with ease, several i know of run 30" making 2950fps 139/140 class bullets.
Loads are not hard on brass, going 10+ with ease, info on 6br.
 
#47
Re: Lapua 260 Brass

I have not had same results as you, but I run 24-26" barrels and the bigger 260 case gets more velocity for me, just like a 300wsm gets more velocity than a 308 with bbl length being the same. I belive thats a fairly common theme with bigger case pushing same bullet faster?
 
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