whats better a stand alone laser rangefinder or a binocular/ laser rangefinder combo? was looking at another sight and got some different opinions than what i would have expected so figured id ask you guys. thanks a lot for your help.
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Re: laser rangefinder
Since I don't have either and need both, I'm interested in opinions also. What were the opinions you spoke of on another site?
Since I don't have either and need both, I'm interested in opinions also. What were the opinions you spoke of on another site?
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I think the first question should be: how far do I need it to range reliably? If it's under 1000 yards your options are wide open. From inexpensive stand alone LRFs to Leica Geovids, you have lots of options. Beyond that it gets tricky. There are plenty of people who will say "my cheap LRF ranges 2000 yards all day" and they're either super lucky or full of shit. Bottom line, if you need to range out to 2000 yards, then you're going to want to look into the more expensive mil grade LRFs.
Personally, if you can find a pair of binos with integrated LRF that fits your need, I would chose that. My reasoning is the optics on stand alone LRFs tend to be inferior to the average pair of binos.
I think the first question should be: how far do I need it to range reliably? If it's under 1000 yards your options are wide open. From inexpensive stand alone LRFs to Leica Geovids, you have lots of options. Beyond that it gets tricky. There are plenty of people who will say "my cheap LRF ranges 2000 yards all day" and they're either super lucky or full of shit. Bottom line, if you need to range out to 2000 yards, then you're going to want to look into the more expensive mil grade LRFs.
Personally, if you can find a pair of binos with integrated LRF that fits your need, I would chose that. My reasoning is the optics on stand alone LRFs tend to be inferior to the average pair of binos.
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I would be curious as to what would work reliably out to 2000 yards. I'm kinda tired of buying expensive optics just to find it's a piece of crap. My Leupold rx-iv wouldn't even range to 600 yards. Took about a hour to figure out all the bells and whistles and half a battery later. Then the next time I would take it out, I'd half to start all over again. Sold it and bought a used bushnell pinseeker 1500 for $120 and I did range back to my truck at 1316 yards. On a very good day it would range a big tree at 1000. Just don't rely on it. It does get me by for now while I save for a great one. My buddy has the Zeiss victory and it works excellent. Very consistent out to 1320. We are starting to stretch out a little farther and need something that will work.
I would be curious as to what would work reliably out to 2000 yards. I'm kinda tired of buying expensive optics just to find it's a piece of crap. My Leupold rx-iv wouldn't even range to 600 yards. Took about a hour to figure out all the bells and whistles and half a battery later. Then the next time I would take it out, I'd half to start all over again. Sold it and bought a used bushnell pinseeker 1500 for $120 and I did range back to my truck at 1316 yards. On a very good day it would range a big tree at 1000. Just don't rely on it. It does get me by for now while I save for a great one. My buddy has the Zeiss victory and it works excellent. Very consistent out to 1320. We are starting to stretch out a little farther and need something that will work.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sil9mm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be curious as to what would work reliably out to 2000 yards. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sil9mm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be curious as to what would work reliably out to 2000 yards. </div></div>
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Seems to be yet another example of how quality optics can be a very expensive part of playing this game. As a new comer to the sport, it has been a real education for me. I took a look at the Bushnell combo unit for around $750. Like all other products, reviews were mixed from Love It to Don't Waste Your Money. The Zeiss Victory combo is a real quality product but about 3 times the price. I guess it's just a matter of defining your use, picking your price point and jumping in. But for someone like me that needs to purchase both bins and RF, a combo unit seems to make sense.
Seems to be yet another example of how quality optics can be a very expensive part of playing this game. As a new comer to the sport, it has been a real education for me. I took a look at the Bushnell combo unit for around $750. Like all other products, reviews were mixed from Love It to Don't Waste Your Money. The Zeiss Victory combo is a real quality product but about 3 times the price. I guess it's just a matter of defining your use, picking your price point and jumping in. But for someone like me that needs to purchase both bins and RF, a combo unit seems to make sense.
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I've heard nothing but good things about the fusions. There's a thread on here somewhere about them. There are also some good youtube videos about them. I think for under a grand, they can't be beat. If you have a larger budget, there is obviously some better choices.
I've heard nothing but good things about the fusions. There's a thread on here somewhere about them. There are also some good youtube videos about them. I think for under a grand, they can't be beat. If you have a larger budget, there is obviously some better choices.
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Go with the Bushnell's. In any capacity. I don't need the extra heft of the binoculars so I went with the new Elite 1600 Arc monocular, and I can honestly range a tree at 1400 yards. I have gotten readings on dry grass and sagebrush at over a mile (1763 yards). At the match I was out this weekend, I was ranging the same targets as Swarovskis and Leicas and all of our ranges were within +/- 1 yard of each other. Granted our longest ranged target was 920y. I can all day long range vehicles at 1700y +. It doesn't matter if it is a good day or a bad day.
As far as the binoculars go, I don't own a pair, but they are the reason I thought I would try the Elite 1600. Hunter121 on here owns a set of those, and they are the cats ass if you need binos and ranging capabilities.
References for both of these units can be had from hsss on here and hunter121. Both have used these and can give you honest opinions. Also SunnysideScott peered through the Elite 1600's of mine this weekend also.
My .02 cents.
Go with the Bushnell's. In any capacity. I don't need the extra heft of the binoculars so I went with the new Elite 1600 Arc monocular, and I can honestly range a tree at 1400 yards. I have gotten readings on dry grass and sagebrush at over a mile (1763 yards). At the match I was out this weekend, I was ranging the same targets as Swarovskis and Leicas and all of our ranges were within +/- 1 yard of each other. Granted our longest ranged target was 920y. I can all day long range vehicles at 1700y +. It doesn't matter if it is a good day or a bad day.
As far as the binoculars go, I don't own a pair, but they are the reason I thought I would try the Elite 1600. Hunter121 on here owns a set of those, and they are the cats ass if you need binos and ranging capabilities.
References for both of these units can be had from hsss on here and hunter121. Both have used these and can give you honest opinions. Also SunnysideScott peered through the Elite 1600's of mine this weekend also.
My .02 cents.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm509</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go with the Bushnell's. In any capacity. I don't need the extra heft of the binoculars so I went with the new Elite 1600 Arc monocular, and I can honestly range a tree at 1400 yards. I have gotten readings on dry grass and sagebrush at over a mile (1763 yards). At the match I was out this weekend, I was ranging the same targets as Swarovskis and Leicas and all of our ranges were within +/- 1 yard of each other. Granted our longest ranged target was 920y. I can all day long range vehicles at 1700y +. It doesn't matter if it is a good day or a bad day.
As far as the binoculars go, I don't own a pair, but they are the reason I thought I would try the Elite 1600. Hunter121 on here owns a set of those, and they are the cats ass if you need binos and ranging capabilities.
References for both of these units can be had from hsss on here and hunter121. Both have used these and can give you honest opinions. Also SunnysideScott peered through the Elite 1600's of mine this weekend also.
My .02 cents.
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I've been thinking about getting a pair of those. I wish I would have shot the match last weekend then maybe I could have seen if they live up to all the hype I've been hearing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm509</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go with the Bushnell's. In any capacity. I don't need the extra heft of the binoculars so I went with the new Elite 1600 Arc monocular, and I can honestly range a tree at 1400 yards. I have gotten readings on dry grass and sagebrush at over a mile (1763 yards). At the match I was out this weekend, I was ranging the same targets as Swarovskis and Leicas and all of our ranges were within +/- 1 yard of each other. Granted our longest ranged target was 920y. I can all day long range vehicles at 1700y +. It doesn't matter if it is a good day or a bad day.
As far as the binoculars go, I don't own a pair, but they are the reason I thought I would try the Elite 1600. Hunter121 on here owns a set of those, and they are the cats ass if you need binos and ranging capabilities.
References for both of these units can be had from hsss on here and hunter121. Both have used these and can give you honest opinions. Also SunnysideScott peered through the Elite 1600's of mine this weekend also.
My .02 cents.
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I've been thinking about getting a pair of those. I wish I would have shot the match last weekend then maybe I could have seen if they live up to all the hype I've been hearing.
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They are hard to find outside the Military but I have a Leica Viper 2 Bino/LRF. It will read out between 4 to 6K with no problems. I have had them for about 6 years now and they work great. I guess at some point work will want them back but until then I'm happy as hell to have them.
They are hard to find outside the Military but I have a Leica Viper 2 Bino/LRF. It will read out between 4 to 6K with no problems. I have had them for about 6 years now and they work great. I guess at some point work will want them back but until then I'm happy as hell to have them.
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highrez heres the link to he other site
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5634569/1
highrez heres the link to he other site
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5634569/1
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xdguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think for under a grand, they can't be beat. If you have a larger budget, there is obviously some better choices.
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I'll agree with that a hundred times. I've looked through some Newcons, Swarovs and Vectors and they are all WAY superior in every way...but for around $700, you can get a bino/lrf that will peg 1600 pretty consistant. The farthest I've hit was 1681 Meters and I was hitting a grass hill side that a coyote was sleeping on.
If you're into carrying two optics and spending more for both than you need to buy one. Go ahead.
I've got the 1600 Fushion ARC's and the only thing I'd do in stead would be trade for the newer 12x50mm pair that came out after I already had the 10x42s.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xdguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think for under a grand, they can't be beat. If you have a larger budget, there is obviously some better choices.
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I'll agree with that a hundred times. I've looked through some Newcons, Swarovs and Vectors and they are all WAY superior in every way...but for around $700, you can get a bino/lrf that will peg 1600 pretty consistant. The farthest I've hit was 1681 Meters and I was hitting a grass hill side that a coyote was sleeping on.
If you're into carrying two optics and spending more for both than you need to buy one. Go ahead.
I've got the 1600 Fushion ARC's and the only thing I'd do in stead would be trade for the newer 12x50mm pair that came out after I already had the 10x42s.
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Join a branch of the military , try to become a sniper. If you make it , you will get all the good stuff , compliments of the tax-payer. Do not make it , well , get a m-16 and a canteen.
Join a branch of the military , try to become a sniper. If you make it , you will get all the good stuff , compliments of the tax-payer. Do not make it , well , get a m-16 and a canteen.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308mk4</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Join a branch of the military , try to become a sniper. If you make it , you will get all the good stuff , compliments of the tax-payer. Do not make it , well , get a m-16 and a canteen. </div></div>
Or you turn out like my cousin and they make you a cook
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308mk4</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Join a branch of the military , try to become a sniper. If you make it , you will get all the good stuff , compliments of the tax-payer. Do not make it , well , get a m-16 and a canteen. </div></div>
Or you turn out like my cousin and they make you a cook
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c_bass16</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I've got the 1600 Fushion ARC's and the only thing I'd do in stead would be trade for the newer 12x50mm pair that came out after I already had the 10x42s. </div></div>
c_bass16, do you happen to know the minimum range your Fusion will display? Do you use them to bowhunt?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c_bass16</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I've got the 1600 Fushion ARC's and the only thing I'd do in stead would be trade for the newer 12x50mm pair that came out after I already had the 10x42s. </div></div>
c_bass16, do you happen to know the minimum range your Fusion will display? Do you use them to bowhunt?
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Here is a review Courtesy of ThePackingRat.net
Bushnell Fusion 1600 ARC Review by ThePackingRat.net
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Mike @ CST
Here is a review Courtesy of ThePackingRat.net
Bushnell Fusion 1600 ARC Review by ThePackingRat.net
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Mike @ CST
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Best binos out are the Zeiss. Almost as good as the vectronix but not quite. Much easier to look through though and better for finding targets. Will be interesting to see the new Swarovski when the start shipping.
Best binos out are the Zeiss. Almost as good as the vectronix but not quite. Much easier to look through though and better for finding targets. Will be interesting to see the new Swarovski when the start shipping.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm509</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go with the Bushnell's. In any capacity. I don't need the extra heft of the binoculars so I went with the new Elite 1600 Arc monocular, and I can honestly range a tree at 1400 yards. I have gotten readings on dry grass and sagebrush at over a mile (1763 yards). At the match I was out this weekend, I was ranging the same targets as Swarovskis and Leicas and all of our ranges were within +/- 1 yard of each other. Granted our longest ranged target was 920y. I can all day long range vehicles at 1700y +. It doesn't matter if it is a good day or a bad day.
As far as the binoculars go, I don't own a pair, but they are the reason I thought I would try the Elite 1600. Hunter121 on here owns a set of those, and they are the cats ass if you need binos and ranging capabilities.
References for both of these units can be had from hsss on here and hunter121. Both have used these and can give you honest opinions. Also SunnysideScott peered through the Elite 1600's of mine this weekend also.
My .02 cents.
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Not to call you out by any means but I have the bushnell elite 1600's and cant hit shit past 700yds consistently.
I dont use a tripod or anything with them but dirt hillsides at over a mile? I cant get half with the same unit. How is any of this possible, im not shaky and use bone structure to hold steady...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm509</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go with the Bushnell's. In any capacity. I don't need the extra heft of the binoculars so I went with the new Elite 1600 Arc monocular, and I can honestly range a tree at 1400 yards. I have gotten readings on dry grass and sagebrush at over a mile (1763 yards). At the match I was out this weekend, I was ranging the same targets as Swarovskis and Leicas and all of our ranges were within +/- 1 yard of each other. Granted our longest ranged target was 920y. I can all day long range vehicles at 1700y +. It doesn't matter if it is a good day or a bad day.
As far as the binoculars go, I don't own a pair, but they are the reason I thought I would try the Elite 1600. Hunter121 on here owns a set of those, and they are the cats ass if you need binos and ranging capabilities.
References for both of these units can be had from hsss on here and hunter121. Both have used these and can give you honest opinions. Also SunnysideScott peered through the Elite 1600's of mine this weekend also.
My .02 cents.
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Not to call you out by any means but I have the bushnell elite 1600's and cant hit shit past 700yds consistently.
I dont use a tripod or anything with them but dirt hillsides at over a mile? I cant get half with the same unit. How is any of this possible, im not shaky and use bone structure to hold steady...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rinky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm509</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go with the Bushnell's. In any capacity. I don't need the extra heft of the binoculars so I went with the new Elite 1600 Arc monocular, and I can honestly range a tree at 1400 yards. I have gotten readings on dry grass and sagebrush at over a mile (1763 yards). At the match I was out this weekend, I was ranging the same targets as Swarovskis and Leicas and all of our ranges were within +/- 1 yard of each other. Granted our longest ranged target was 920y. I can all day long range vehicles at 1700y +. It doesn't matter if it is a good day or a bad day.
As far as the binoculars go, I don't own a pair, but they are the reason I thought I would try the Elite 1600. Hunter121 on here owns a set of those, and they are the cats ass if you need binos and ranging capabilities.
References for both of these units can be had from hsss on here and hunter121. Both have used these and can give you honest opinions. Also SunnysideScott peered through the Elite 1600's of mine this weekend also.
My .02 cents.
</div></div>
Not to call you out by any means but I have the bushnell elite 1600's and cant hit shit past 700yds consistently.
I dont use a tripod or anything with them but dirt hillsides at over a mile? I cant get half with the same unit. How is any of this possible, im not shaky and use bone structure to hold steady...</div></div>
from what i am told, the "NEW" elite 1600 has the "same" laser as the fusion... and my fuisions have ranged grass and bushs out to 1800
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rinky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm509</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go with the Bushnell's. In any capacity. I don't need the extra heft of the binoculars so I went with the new Elite 1600 Arc monocular, and I can honestly range a tree at 1400 yards. I have gotten readings on dry grass and sagebrush at over a mile (1763 yards). At the match I was out this weekend, I was ranging the same targets as Swarovskis and Leicas and all of our ranges were within +/- 1 yard of each other. Granted our longest ranged target was 920y. I can all day long range vehicles at 1700y +. It doesn't matter if it is a good day or a bad day.
As far as the binoculars go, I don't own a pair, but they are the reason I thought I would try the Elite 1600. Hunter121 on here owns a set of those, and they are the cats ass if you need binos and ranging capabilities.
References for both of these units can be had from hsss on here and hunter121. Both have used these and can give you honest opinions. Also SunnysideScott peered through the Elite 1600's of mine this weekend also.
My .02 cents.
</div></div>
Not to call you out by any means but I have the bushnell elite 1600's and cant hit shit past 700yds consistently.
I dont use a tripod or anything with them but dirt hillsides at over a mile? I cant get half with the same unit. How is any of this possible, im not shaky and use bone structure to hold steady...</div></div>
from what i am told, the "NEW" elite 1600 has the "same" laser as the fusion... and my fuisions have ranged grass and bushs out to 1800
