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Last working day in New York....

dcnyli

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Aug 5, 2013
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Today is the last day for me working here in NY, I made the decision 2 years ago to change my life and it took a tremendous amount of soul searching, research and work but the day's arrived! I am leaving my position here and relocation to Nashville for the next few months.

I can smell the freedom already.

FUAC

just had to share, it's a big deal to me at least. I'm looking forward to buying a 30rd magazine for my AR, and one day a supressor
 
once you wake up and realize the reality of this state, it's just stupid….

We pay insane taxes, we pay insane rents/mortgages/home prices, everything and get what in return? More taxes, less freedom, more traffic, crime and general shittyness….
 
Don't be offended when people call you a Damn Yankee. Just never use that that freaking statement " In ____________ we do it like this or this is how we did it in________" Cuz they will probably tell you to go back. "Bless your heart" is not a term of endearment.
 
I understand your satisfaction and respect your decision. I moved out of New Jersey on March 28, 1998 because it had become obvious that a state government which cannot trust its law abiding citizens with reasonable and customary firearms is a government that does not operate on behalf of all its citizens, and endeavors to criminalize all those who object to its direct and deliberate impairment of Second Amendment rights. Clearly, the same has become the standard for representative government here in New York as well.

I allowed this to drive my decision to move once, I will not allow it again. I could, but I won't; because when I do, I allow the oppressors the final word on the subject. Clearly, this can happen anywhere, and apathy and flight can only make such outcomes all the more certain.

By all means we can run, but the safe havens are becoming fewer, and the oppression keeps spreading. If allowed to continue, once the balance of oppressor states becomes the majority, they can and will make such oppression the law of the land.

It's easy to disparage those who choose to move, but they are well within their rights to do so.

Seeing them arrive in their new destinations, one is prompted by one's own conscience to wonder how such a person might be counted upon to uphold their neighbors' rights when the wolf comes to their doors once again.

I can't say, but I have my own private views on the subject.

Greg
 
Seeing them arrive in their new destinations, one is prompted by one's own conscience to wonder how such a person might be counted upon to uphold their neighbors' rights when the wolf comes to their doors once again.

I can't say, but I have my own private views on the subject.

Greg

I wouldn't rely on any of my neighbors to stand up for anything out here in LI. I prefer to exist quietly within my four walls, and will do what is necessary to protect my family and loved ones, it's very rare to find anyone willing to do anything for anyone aside from themselves, and that's just simple things. I left NY for work opportunities that couldn't exist here, gun laws had nothing to do with it in my case it's just an added bonus.

We all have our opinions on this subject of compliance, state laws, etc, but it's only opinions. NYS lost with me, I took my tax money(17K+ on real estate alone) and other funds elsewhere, they can suck it.
 
I understand your satisfaction and respect your decision. I moved out of New Jersey on March 28, 1998 because it had become obvious that a state government which cannot trust its law abiding citizens with reasonable and customary firearms is a government that does not operate on behalf of all its citizens, and endeavors to criminalize all those who object to its direct and deliberate impairment of Second Amendment rights. Clearly, the same has become the standard for representative government here in New York as well.

I allowed this to drive my decision to move once, I will not allow it again. I could, but I won't; because when I do, I allow the oppressors the final word on the subject. Clearly, this can happen anywhere, and apathy and flight can only make such outcomes all the more certain.

By all means we can run, but the safe havens are becoming fewer, and the oppression keeps spreading. If allowed to continue, once the balance of oppressor states becomes the majority, they can and will make such oppression the law of the land.

It's easy to disparage those who choose to move, but they are well within their rights to do so.

Seeing them arrive in their new destinations, one is prompted by one's own conscience to wonder how such a person might be counted upon to uphold their neighbors' rights when the wolf comes to their doors once again.

I can't say, but I have my own private views on the subject.

Greg

How is your presence in NY an act of bravery instead of an act of submission? You make the assumption that an exodus of people from a state is a benign event where in fact it is not. Look at the continued migration of people & businesses. The South is in fact becoming what the North used to be (yes, late C19 terms chosen on purpose) industrial, production orientated and talent laden.

Rather the exodus is the rewarding of those States who embrace, expand and expound freedoms and the Constitution. The only thing I give NYC when I'm there is a big dump that I save up special when I know I have to go there and even then I can't help but feel I'm giving it a compliment it doesn't deserve.
 
*I say some stupid things here*

The OP makes good points, which is why I respect his decision and say so.

There are, however, other, somewhat obvious issues involved here.

For example, I was born on LI and understand at least some of the currents at work there. There's a reason why political hacks like Schumer and McCarthy have a power base there.

When one's views become unpopular, it is tempting to duck and cover; evade and escape. I get that.

But somebody has to stay and dig in their heels against a wrong headed local majority when they are dead wrong. You just don't feel like being that person. I do; and the distinction does not make either of us right or wrong.

As you say, it's a matter of opinion; to which you are clearly allowed.

Greg
 
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New York has been a problem from its loyalist beginnings all the way back to the Revolution. I doubt George Washington was crying when his men struck a match to it on their retreat after all the "help" they got up there. While I respect and understand the stay and fight sentiment, the need and desire for the vast majority of residents there to view authority as a father figure and savior is generational, and thus it is a poor base of operations for a patriot.

Patriots might rightly view NJ and NY as a battleground for the fight for liberty and Constitutional government, but short of actual physical resistance what can you do living there? From Washington's time until now, no one has been able to turn that lemming-like crowd, so a martyr's stand seems futile and a waste of good effort. Especially since in the meantime working and living there actually helps them oppress you and others.

NY and NJ will only get fixed if a national movement to restore Constitutional limited government starts to change Washington DC and turns the national political tide. That movement is coalescing in the South and the West interior. There are more and more signs of it spreading and more people are seeing the light because of it, and the best way to help liberty anywhere is to shore this movement up and solidify it where it has some chance of truly taking root and becoming a national political force. That just isn't going to happen in the NE, but you can help it elsewhere, and get to enjoy living more like you are meant to in the meantime.

The military never bases its operations from an area it has no control over. It builds and bases somewhere else and invades when it is strong. A few men dying on a hill against an overwhelming force may not be the best use of manpower. I am watching events in CT as they may prove me wrong, but I think the police there are smart enough not to attempt a confiscation so I think it ends right there. The progressives got to advance the ball a little, and now another stalemate occurs closer to the progressive goal. It's been that way for nearly ten generations destroying liberty by degrees, but nevertheless I was proud of the stand that 85% of the gun owners took there. Still, I think it will take actual violent resistance to change things on the ground there and the authorities are likely too savvy to provoke that.

I am not making a moral judgement about those who stay, defending where you are born is a powerful sentiment and there is nothing wrong with it. We would just like you to join forces elsewhere and give yourself a fighting chance.
 
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Now that's a reasoned and reasonable response. I think it's actually very persuasive. It demands I give it a long and unbiased consideration.

The part that persuades is the suggestion about how and where best to concentrate one's effort.

Unlike the OP, I am retired, and my income is not tied to a geographic area. On the other side of the coin, the greatest portion of my personal wealth (wealth, right...!) is tied up in my residence, which is nearing the end stage of a long and costly renovation.

Ethics, morality, and philosophy are key drivers, but not the only ones. The financial outlook for real estate here essentially dictates that I will end up dead of old age before our investments (my wife's figure prominently as well) could show profit. It may appear crass to bring economics to the discussion, but such issues cannot be ignored.

I keep vacationing in the SE, if for no better reason than to find some respite from the oppressive anti gun-owner atmosphere here in NY. I like the places I've seen, and would certainly enjoy living there. After 16 years in a rural setting, contrasting with a former highly urban one, I have learned the value of reticence and necessary agreement with my neighbors. Doing so has changed me, and I have adopted their views, in large part, mainly because they are good ones.

Perhaps what my detractors miss is the fact that NY is not a homogeneous setting, and that our rural elements are very much in disagreement with the State rulers who evoke a dominantly urban policy for all, who treat the rural portions as increasingly annoying redheaded stepchildren needing to be curbed for their own good. While I would not be in favor of armed resistance, many of my neighbors are outspoken and feel quite differently about that. It may be this distinction that prompts me to resist a cut and run policy.

Leaving would be a whole lot easier than staying, regardless of the economics. I stay because I have friends who deserve my support.



As for the NE being so problematic during the American Revolution, I offer another viewpoint from (taken from the discussion of Turn) on this very site:

What I am finding interesting is the portrayal of Rogers. We all know him as the greatest hero of the Infantry.... Rogers rules of Ranging and all that. But his role in the Revolutionary war (and his loyalties... and his problems with debt, etc.) are not as well known. In his famous Northwest Passage, Kenneth Roberts hinted as to Roberts latter days in debtors prison in England. But didn't bring up his contributions to the British/Loyalist cause.

My thesis advisor, actually, is currently working on a book about Rogers. I suspect it will be a lot more complex than one might first think and that there will be a lot of people at Ft. Benning who will be surprised at the Rogers of the Revolutionary War. And maybe not pleased.

One of the things that is interesting about Turn is how it shows the complexity of life in Colonial/revolutionary North America where the population was genuinely split between loyalty to the Crown, Rebellion, and (frankly) apathy. Sentiment for rebellion, especially in the South, was not as widespread as it was, for example, in New England. Which is why Burgoyne's strategy of cutting off New England, had it worked, was a very viable plan. And a lot of people (much as with politics today) were either apathetic or were waiting to see which way the wind blew. The idea that there was universal support among colonists for rebellion is, frankly, Disneyesque.

For another excellent read on the Revolutionary War (this time from the British perspective)... Matthew Spring's "With Zeal and Bayonets Only" is a superb book. One of our reading list for Masters. Not a hard read and gives a lot of British and Loyalist perspective and delves into the details of the British soldier.

Cheers,

Sirhr

Greg
 
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I do not share your viewpoint about EH as a troll, I think he is zealous for individual liberty as are you. As you are both quite capable of taking care of yourselves I wouldn't insult either of you by attempting to reconcile your viewpoints but I am quite satisfied you are both patriots with much in common- I will leave it at that.

With respect to my references to NY, I should have wrote NYC. Given that NYC drives policy for the state it may be a moot point but I do understand your desire to distance yourself from NYC and it's dictates. I respectfully submit you won't be able to do that within the boundaries of NY state.

The NE area was the very birthplace of the revolution but NYC was always different from Boston with respect to loyalties and sentiment though there seems to be little distinction now, or in nearly any big city for that matter. A new kind of polarization is taking place that is more urban vs rural, or more correctly demographic rather than geographic. I welcome this because the struggle for liberty is about ideas and principles and the rule of law vice the rule of men, and therefore should not be geographic. It is obvious where these two demographics are concentrating, but wise patriots should wait to estimate other men based on their principles and not their birthplaces or location. I'll admit to being skeptical at times based on geography but try to be decent enough to form an opinion based on principles rather than geography, because frankly we need everyone we can get.
 
Thanks KYPatriot.

Gregg, try not to take things so personally that you read what isn't there. There was no affront to your honor or bravery. Just a critical look at your assumptions about those of others. It's a nice late Sunday afternoon, I intend to enjoy it. Adios.