Re: Leupold Mark 4s are made in USA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LongRangeNewb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
"VERY clear"? You do realize the FTC uses the same exact wording "all or virtually all" that California does right?
Look
here and read the introduction. You can't say "all OR virtually all" means all, they clearly put "or virtually all" in there for a reason. This is just some BS Leupold is hiding behind when in reality they don't meet the guidelines set forth by the FTC. You can believe otherwise if you wish but you're only fooling yourself.
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Hey LongRangeNewb- I am not trying to put you in a bad light or make you look like a fool. There are facts and then there are opinions. Sometimes we have to yield to the facts even if we believe strongly in our opinions
I respect your opinions 100%. But you cannot oppose facts just with opinions: you got to put up some facts or yield the position. It does not matter what *you think* or what *I think* - what matters is what the Kali courts think.
I specifically posted for your attention the links analyzing what they think, and what the implications are for companies doing business. Since you did not actually click on these links (otherwise you would not have posted this gross misinterpretation), I will make it easy on you by simply cutting and pasting from the links that I already posted. You can still look them up up-thread if you think I am making these quotes up.
Quote from Bingham Law: "In a recent decision with potentially broad implications for businesses selling goods in California, the California Court of Appeal held that a product may be labeled “Made in the USA” only if every part of the product has been made in the United States. Benson v. Kwikset, Daily Journal DAR 8116 (June 30, 2004). "
This is Kali law - not federal law. This is interpreted by Kali courts, not Federal courts. Do you notice the part that says " A PRODUCT MAY BE LABELED 'MADE IN USA" ONLY IF EVERY PART OF THIS PRODUCT HAS BEEN MADE IN THE USA"? Where does it say "virtually"? Where is, to quote you, "the BS that Leupold is hiding behind"? Why should I "believe otherwise if I wish"and "fool myself"?
Just to make sure that there is no ambiguity whatsoever, here are a few cut-and-paste sections from the Consumer Advertizing Law blog that I linked to earlier, dated July 2010:
"We have previously blogged about both the FTC standard for a “Made in USA” label and the stricter California standard. Both require that final processing or assembly occur in the United States. But while the FTC requires that “all or virtually all” of the costs associated with a product be attributable to domestic parts and processing, California prohibits a “Made in USA” label if the product, “or any article, unit, or part thereof,” is “entirely or substantially” made overseas. California courts have interpreted this strictly, to prohibit the label if any part of a product—perhaps even a single screw—is “substantially” made abroad. (For more information on the two standards, see this article.) "
I hope this makes clear the difference between federal and Kali standards - and this is why I say that it is clear you did not bother to read the links I posted.... Just to show what the impact has on US corporations, here is another cut-and-paste from the same source showing the example of Maglite:
" Mag Instruments’ flashlights are almost entirely domestically sourced, satisfying the FTC standard. But two small components — a light bulb and an O-ring “not produced by anyone in the United States” — are imported, and so the Company believes it cannot satisfy the California standard. As a result, the company has had to drop the label entirely. Maglite has recently lost market share to cheaper foreign-sourced and imported products. It has now lost the “Made in USA” label that constituted “[o]ne of [its] advantages . . . in the U.S. market.” Founder Anthony Maglica, an ardent supporter of American-made products, refuses to shift Mag Instruments’ production overseas. But he laments the effects of the California law on US businesses, noting that just like “if you have a little dog, and you want him to do the tricks, you give him a bone,” businesses “need incentive too.”
As you can see, what happened to Leupold happened EXACTLY in the same way for Maglite. Is Maglite also looking for excuses? Is EVERY other company affected by the Kali law that decides to comply looking for excuses?
I welcome disagreeing with you on opinions, and I think that good and open debate on such is useful to all. But there is no excuse for maintaining an obviously wrong point of view, that slams a good American company, in front of clearly antithetic facts. If you have facts that show THESE facts wrong - by all means bring them up. Facts, not opinions - If they prove me wrong I'll man up. Otherwise, do the right thing, and admit that you were wrong. You can think and say anything you want about Leupold products and how adequate they are to your needs- but please don't accuse them of hiding behind excuses to stop labeling their products Made in USA. They have a very good reason for doing what they did.
