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[phlegethon]

Thalidomide at one time was great science..........

Not really. There’s a reason it was never approved by the FDA. Very poor comparison to vaccines, for which there’s more data than almost any other intervention in medicine.

 

[pmclaine]

Not really. There’s a reason it was never approved by the FDA. Very poor comparison to vaccines, for which there’s more data than almost any other intervention in medicine.

Im not anti vax.

I just think Doctors don't know all they think they know.

Someone told thos women thalidomide would be good for them.

My daughters 5th birthday physical we told her pediatrician we thought she was drinking a lot of water and it surprised us she was wetting the bed again.

We were told no problem.

That night I asked the dumb as fuck, never been to med school Google "Drinks a lot of water and wets bed" and the returns screamed Type1 Diabetes.

The next day we scheduled a blood test and by afternoon we were in the emergency room with glucose numbers in the 700s.

Docs don't know all they think they know.

I think its a safe bet to spread vaccines out and let the immune system recover from each outrage it gets hit by.

My experience indicates to me antbiotics are great stuff but they are much more frequently prescribed than when I was a kid and Im thinking its leading to tougher common bugs and its messing with immune systems.

I don't deny anti vaxxers their skepticism.

Im suspicious of those with no skepticism.

 

[phlegethon]

Im not anti vax.

I just think Doctors don't know all they think they know.

Someone told thos women thalidomide would be good for them.

My daughters 5th birthday physical we told her pediatrician we thought she was drinking a lot of water and it surprised us she was wetting the bed again.

We were told no problem.

That night I asked the dumb as fuck, never been to med school Google "Drinks a lot of water and wets bed" and the returns screamed Type1 Diabetes.

The next day we scheduled a blood test and by afternoon we were in the emergency room with glucose numbers in the 700s.

Docs don't know all they think they know.

I think its a safe bet to spread vaccines out and let the immune system recover from each outrage it gets hit by.

My experience indicates to me antbiotics are great stuff but they are much more frequently prescribed than when I was a kid and Im thinking its leading to tougher common bugs and its messing with immune systems.

I don't deny anti vaxxers their skepticism.

Im suspicious of those with no skepticism.

You’re absolutely right that doctors don’t know everything. A lot of people come out of medical training afraid to say they don’t know something, which is a shame and really undermines confidence in the profession.

But you don’t have to know everything to know something with great certainty. I’m very skeptical about a lot of things and I think we do a lot of stuff in medicine that’s useless. But being skeptical about childhood vaccinations is like being skeptical about whether the earth is round, or whether the earth revolves around the sun, or whether smoking is bad for you. There’s just too much data for a reasonable person to remain skeptical.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

This has kicked off quite the discussion. I thank you all for contributing. I've been getting the flu shot for 20ish years now, (started in the late 90's because of work) and I've only had the flu once. That was about 15 years ago.

I've had a few colds, but only about 3 in all that time. I have also had the pneumonia shot twice now, as I have had pneumonia in the past. Not since getting the shot though.

I am an advocate of folks 'getting their shots' BUT at the same time I'm an advocate of 'spreading them out' not "all-at-once". It is my own irrelevant opinion that any parent that does NOT give their children vaccines are culpable for neglect or abuse. Possibly even endangerment. But I'm not a shot-ologist. And yes, I'm talking about the smallpox/rubella/whatevera ones that is given to toddlers and stuff.

Flu shots are 'by choice' and optional, and I get that. But polio and whatnot..... why on earth would one want to risk it, let alone 'bring it back'?

 

[phlegethon]

Much like you dislike those that question, I dislike those that think they are little gods and the poor peons shouldn't have the right to make their own decisions about their bodies.

Most of the vaccination questions would go away if there was actual real choice, real full information, full transparency, with direct liability and accountability for those producing and deciding on the vaccinations.

The current systems of "we are the medical gods, you are idiots, we will shove this into you and your children and don't ask us any questions... How dare you ask what is in them, or want things done in a different spacing or order or separately.... or think you have a right to know what is going into you... and well if there is a problem... tough... for the good of society...... go find a lawyer to see if you can get some of your fellow taxpayer's money... in a few years" is what has caused this whole debate.

There is full transparency and accountability. All that information is out there. It just requires education to access and understand it.

 

[pmclaine]

You’re absolutely right that doctors don’t know everything. A lot of people come out of medical training afraid to say they don’t know something, which is a shame and really undermines confidence in the profession.

But you don’t have to know everything to know something with great certainty. I’m very skeptical about a lot of things and I think we do a lot of stuff in medicine that’s useless. But being skeptical about childhood vaccinations is like being skeptical about whether the earth is round, or whether the earth revolves around the sun, or whether smoking is bad for you. There’s just too much data for a reasonable person to remain skeptical.

All that should be said to anti vaxxers is "Dr Jonas Salk".

That should be enough to understand the value.

Thing that becomes a problem is "money".

Manufacturer of the polio vaccines realizes their patent is expiring and they adjust the formula or the delivery method - bam new patent protection (I realize Dr Salk never took money for his discovery - Guy deserved to be the richest person in the world for destroying the Iron Lung Industry)

Look at Insulin - a product on the market since the 20s continually patented and costing approx. $700 per vial.

I want to punch the CVS lady in the throat when she says I have great insurance because Im "only" paying $100 for a $700 item.

Insulin should be so mature its price is cheap - of course we have manufacturers realizing its the ultimate inelastic product. They want to raise prices for profits.

The $100 we actually pay is probably the real cost of the insulin. The other $600 is the insurer getting screwed by the manufacturer, liability insurance and salaries for people to push paper.

Its a mess.

Anyway the measles manufacturer changes its product to maintain exclusivity and we don't get into the weeds of what unintended effects occur or what reactions result when vacs are mixed in the human beeker.

Will it effect everyone?

No.

But it will get some.

My son has lots of friends that get strep and have no problems.

My son got 4 cases of strep in a row (tonsils/adenoids removed). His friends get strep.

Our kids personality changed over night and now we have a kid diagnosed with PANDAS. Other kids fine.

Some kids, not all kids. No absolutes, Be skeptical, 99.9% of the time the mother knows way more than you do.

 

[W54/XM-388]

There is full transparency and accountability. All that information is out there. It just requires education to access and understand it.

Point taken, I'll do some more studying on the subject and see what I can find out.
Thanks.

If you have better places I should research other than my standard searching online, please let me know.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Back to the actual flu this year, it seems around our neck of the woods it's apparently pretty bad.

Something that seems to happening this year to quite a few folks (like me) that didn't get the flu (hopefully I'll stay that way), is having a spell for a day or two where you really feel like something is clawing at you, trying to grab you and wanting to make you super sick, but with enough extra sleep passes you by.

I have no clue if that's actually related to the current virus or not & perhaps somebody else knows better, but it happened to me and I've heard it from other friends and their friends and families & people they know. Very similar in feeling and duration.

Perhaps somebody else knows what it actually is?