I like the ideas here. I’m not sure I could 100% apply them here for various reasons. But many of the ideas can be implemented.
Thanks for pushing ideas that could possibly make for more fun for casual shooters.
Long gong
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Thanks for pushing ideas that could possibly make for more fun for casual shooters.
I like Hozer's and Lash's match concepts. IT keeps things more interesting.
Also prefer to go to matches that offer higher hit ratios because it sucks when someone is a more talented shooter and only gets a 50% hit ratio but sucks worse for less talented shooters that get 10%-20% hit ratios.
The thing that could happen is you might have a couple people needing to have a shoot off for 1st place.
I'm really blessed to have some awesome and interesting steel shooting matches here in AZ that aren't PRS style centric. Most of us are older and we shoot sitting off a 5 gallon bucket with gun rested on shooting sticks/ unattached bipods.
Just enough difficulty to make a perfect score a rare occurrence but 90%+ hit ratio for the more accomplished shooters.
We walk aways to each shooting lane but not far so the scenery and challenge varies. Kinda like a field course match but doing a 10th the walking.
However except for one match called UFT/ Ultimate Field Target which allows sub sonic 22rf the others are airgun specific matches and hugely cheaper in ammo costs which is $1.80 for match grade ammo per match.
A friend just did the legendary by shooting a 48/48 in 12-20+ mph wind last weekend in our FT match. That almost borders on the impossible.
Can you imagine aiming 2.5" off a KZ at 50y, or 3" off a KZ at 55y to hit it?!
It was right up there with the most epic centerfire or rimfire matches I've had the pleasure to shoot!
So much fun!
Also prefer to go to matches that offer higher hit ratios because it sucks when someone is a more talented shooter and only gets a 50% hit ratio but sucks worse for less talented shooters that get 10%-20% hit ratios.
The thing that could happen is you might have a couple people needing to have a shoot off for 1st place.
I'm really blessed to have some awesome and interesting steel shooting matches here in AZ that aren't PRS style centric. Most of us are older and we shoot sitting off a 5 gallon bucket with gun rested on shooting sticks/ unattached bipods.
Just enough difficulty to make a perfect score a rare occurrence but 90%+ hit ratio for the more accomplished shooters.
We walk aways to each shooting lane but not far so the scenery and challenge varies. Kinda like a field course match but doing a 10th the walking.
However except for one match called UFT/ Ultimate Field Target which allows sub sonic 22rf the others are airgun specific matches and hugely cheaper in ammo costs which is $1.80 for match grade ammo per match.
A friend just did the legendary by shooting a 48/48 in 12-20+ mph wind last weekend in our FT match. That almost borders on the impossible.
Can you imagine aiming 2.5" off a KZ at 50y, or 3" off a KZ at 55y to hit it?!
It was right up there with the most epic centerfire or rimfire matches I've had the pleasure to shoot!
So much fun!
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There seems to be a communication error between those who shoot RF in windy conditions and those who don’t. A bit of switchy breeze and a $12K setup becomes a waste on smaller targets, especially at 200+. There seems to be a constant desire from newer shooters to cheer tiny targets that rarely get hit on any consistent basis. The same thing I see from wannabe “ELR” CF shooters who occasionally ding a 1 MOA target at 1K+. Unless an MD keeps adding new shooters, it’s hard to keep the numbers up long term.
That sounds almost like per visit gym membership, or open mat day for the martial arts types. A great idea. The scoring and rules stuff is what makes our local setup a pain. The stages are generally already set up. I’m headed out in a bit to go shoot a few on a nice afternoon.
I wish I could leave my steel set up, but each time I run a match, I have to set up 30-40 targets and since the the range is used the day before. I have to set up my targets and stages starting at 5:00 pm the day before. A bit of a royal PITA.
You MD's don't get paid near enough! Hopefully you have lots of help or at least some.
We have a small FT club but the MD and half a dozen other guys, including me, had our 24 steel targets set up in 45 minutes and half that time to put it all up.
Many of us camp out at this location, a beautiful place in the forest that we lease from the FS, so we're already there hanging out anyway.
The cool thing is we have a Silhouette side match on Friday evening, also Saturday evening after the main match, and can shoot through the course for practice on Sunday, or plink in the gravel pit which is good for long range airgun or 22rf out to 200 yards.
This location is at 7200 ft elevation so we only shoot there from June to October and then the club goes down to Ben Avery shooting range in Phoenix for the winter months.
At the UFT match, which is only during the winter months in Phoenix at PRGC, the MD is able to leave the targets out since it's away and apart from the shooting bays. Sometimes in the late spring and early fall we have night matches to extend the season which is really neat to do. This match allows 22rf too but every time a "new to this sport 22rf shooter shows up"(not inexperienced plus having decent gear) they can't figure out why the airgun shooters outscore them. Then we may see them one more time but it gets a bit hard on their ego the 2nd time they end up middle pack.
I mention this hoping some "accomplished" 22rf shooters will show up next winter to see how well they do.
Who knows they might like this sport after all??!!Sorry but it gets a bit boring in the airgun forum so here I am.
Darn!I’d like to say that, yes I get help, but that’s not the case.it’s a one man show here, at least lately. I used to have someone show up now and then to assist. That was definitely easier and provides a double check on things.
All I can think of is if you can maybe trade some entry fees for some help. You probably already tried that and still didn't get the hoped for response?!
lol, of course. That’s always the case, but people are busy with their lives and often 2-3 hours or more away. I do this as a hobby…
Like that here too, that's why I stopped shooting the pistol matches here those fuckin guys stand around smoking cigars bullshitting while my buddy and I set up 5 stages at the last match I shot.I’d like to say that, yes I get help, but that’s not the case.
Rifle matches are not to bad but we have a few show up just late enough to miss set up and always have to go as soon as we are done shooting because they have some bullshit 911....we've been charging them an extra $5 and if it continues their going to miss a match or two.
So my first attempt at long gong ended up with me getting second place with a score of 76, which should have been a win but the guy scoring thinks he messed up one of my strings. I would have fought it but the guy who got first place shot a 77 and left early, so even I just bumped up a just a point to a tie he couldn’t shoot the tie breaker and I’m not that kinda person.
We had one at 120ish and then one at the rack, which definitely help but we are a bunch of silly gooses that can’t take our time, so we shot it like a 90 second PRS stage lol
We do much of this at our monthly shoots. ( minus the meal.) Whatever the course of fire of the day, shooters score for themselves and or get help from a friend. It works pretty well to keep the stress down and the newbies coming but I had to admit that we've lost some of the more skilled shooters who want a fixed format that runs to a national/CMP/NRA standard. It's the difference between folks that just want to shoot and folks that want/need to compete.
Very true. It’s one of the many considerations as an MD. That’s why I intend to continue running the PRS22 matches and when I do this, there will have to be a formal Long Gong match along with anything else. It will be an interesting challenge, though not necessarily one that will be successful.
We shall see.
We shall see.
I applaud you and Thank God for people like you who steadfastly endure the extra time spent, hard work involved, and occasional headaches !!!lol, of course. That’s always the case, but people are busy with their lives and often 2-3 hours or more away. I do this as a hobby…
Outside of densely populated areas, I find the nationally competitive shooters quite rare. There are lot more interested amateurs. It’s cool to cater to the true cronics, but they don’t pay most of the bills.
