M118LR question
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Re: M118LR question
"X"M118LR is just rejected M118LR. The "X" isn't special. It means it didn't meet contract requirements.
Unless there are obvious defects then no, there isn't any way to know.
"X"M118LR is just rejected M118LR. The "X" isn't special. It means it didn't meet contract requirements.
Unless there are obvious defects then no, there isn't any way to know.
Re: M118LR question
There is no way to tell without the packaging.
As far as what the XM & PD designations actually mean, please see the information listed below.
http://www.thegunzone.com/556xm.html
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Gun Zone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There has been considerable confusion and rampant speculation across the Internet about the origins and quality of commercially available small arms ammunition designated XM193, XM855, XM855-PD, and XM118LR-PD, as examples.
Claims are being made that this ammunition ranges from "fully milspec," to rejects lots that failed Quality Control and Quality Assurance protocols. There are also various rumors about how this ammunition has found its way into the commercial sector.
As TGZ is dedicated to the debunking of rumors and correcting that which propagates along the "gunshop grapevine" (and its Internet equivalent, AR15.com), to obtain authoritative information on this issue, we recently contacted ATK and queried them about certain military small arms ammunition produced at their Lake City plant, and asked specifically about the significance of the "XM" prefix and "PD" suffix on Lake City small arms ammo currently being resold through commercial channels?
The response from ATK came from Jason Nash, Group Lead, Communications - ATK Ammunition and Related Products Group.
TGZ: Please explain the nomenclature (i.e., the "XM" prefix and the "PD" suffix), and also explain how XM193, XM855-PD, XM118LR-PD and similar Lake City / ATK ammunition differs from milspec (i.e., M193, M855, M118LR) ammunition, so we may present the correct information to our readers.
ATK: We've had several questions regarding the XM designation and following is our official statement regarding what the product is.
XM193 ammunition is 5.56mm contract overrun material. It may not meet all of the mil-spec requirements, however, it does meet all requirements of commercial ammunition for pressure, form, fit and function.
As far as the "PD" suffix, it simply denotes bulk packaging.
TGZ: Why is it that the XM ammo "may not meet all of the mil-spec requirements?" This seems to be the most common question on people's minds.
ATK: I don't know all the ins and outs of the mil-spec requirements, but like any other mass-produced product, there are often imperfections in either appearance or non-functional mechanics. As we all know, the military is very stringent in their requirements and for good reason. This being the case, it doesn't take much to fall outside of those parameters.
TGZ: Thank you very much. This should help put a stop to some of the more outlandish speculation and rumor-mongering.</div></div>
There is no way to tell without the packaging.
As far as what the XM & PD designations actually mean, please see the information listed below.
http://www.thegunzone.com/556xm.html
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Gun Zone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There has been considerable confusion and rampant speculation across the Internet about the origins and quality of commercially available small arms ammunition designated XM193, XM855, XM855-PD, and XM118LR-PD, as examples.
Claims are being made that this ammunition ranges from "fully milspec," to rejects lots that failed Quality Control and Quality Assurance protocols. There are also various rumors about how this ammunition has found its way into the commercial sector.
As TGZ is dedicated to the debunking of rumors and correcting that which propagates along the "gunshop grapevine" (and its Internet equivalent, AR15.com), to obtain authoritative information on this issue, we recently contacted ATK and queried them about certain military small arms ammunition produced at their Lake City plant, and asked specifically about the significance of the "XM" prefix and "PD" suffix on Lake City small arms ammo currently being resold through commercial channels?
The response from ATK came from Jason Nash, Group Lead, Communications - ATK Ammunition and Related Products Group.
TGZ: Please explain the nomenclature (i.e., the "XM" prefix and the "PD" suffix), and also explain how XM193, XM855-PD, XM118LR-PD and similar Lake City / ATK ammunition differs from milspec (i.e., M193, M855, M118LR) ammunition, so we may present the correct information to our readers.
ATK: We've had several questions regarding the XM designation and following is our official statement regarding what the product is.
XM193 ammunition is 5.56mm contract overrun material. It may not meet all of the mil-spec requirements, however, it does meet all requirements of commercial ammunition for pressure, form, fit and function.
As far as the "PD" suffix, it simply denotes bulk packaging.
TGZ: Why is it that the XM ammo "may not meet all of the mil-spec requirements?" This seems to be the most common question on people's minds.
ATK: I don't know all the ins and outs of the mil-spec requirements, but like any other mass-produced product, there are often imperfections in either appearance or non-functional mechanics. As we all know, the military is very stringent in their requirements and for good reason. This being the case, it doesn't take much to fall outside of those parameters.
TGZ: Thank you very much. This should help put a stop to some of the more outlandish speculation and rumor-mongering.</div></div>
Re: M118LR question
Which 500 rd. case of 7.62X51 ammo would you buy?
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50...loose-pack-ammo
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50...-matchking-ammo
Which 500 rd. case of 7.62X51 ammo would you buy?
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50...loose-pack-ammo
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50...-matchking-ammo
Re: M118LR question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which 500 rd. case of 7.62X51 ammo would you buy?
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50...loose-pack-ammo
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50...-matchking-ammo
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FWIW, I would rather have the LC LR Brass than the Federal GMM.
As far as loaded ammo goes, the Federal GMM is much more accurate than bulk packed M118-LR.
(Unless you have a known good Lot number to go with the M118-LR)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which 500 rd. case of 7.62X51 ammo would you buy?
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50...loose-pack-ammo
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50...-matchking-ammo
</div></div>
FWIW, I would rather have the LC LR Brass than the Federal GMM.
As far as loaded ammo goes, the Federal GMM is much more accurate than bulk packed M118-LR.
(Unless you have a known good Lot number to go with the M118-LR)
Re: M118LR question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hooker308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you read the site, it says the GMM is in LC brass. LC10 stamp
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Actually, it says FC-10.
The loose pack is LC LR 06.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hooker308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you read the site, it says the GMM is in LC brass. LC10 stamp
</div></div>
Actually, it says FC-10.
The loose pack is LC LR 06.
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