M16 Extractor safe?

[thefitter]

I have been reading up on extractor modifications for a 700 bolt. Quite a few incidences reporting that the SAKO is unsafe. Case failures sending them down the raceway into someones face!!??

What about the M16? safer than a SAKO but not as safe as a factory 700 extractor?

Inquiring minds need to know.

Thanks

 

[427Cobra]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

Factory Rem is just fine, anything else is a solution looking for a problem.

 

[scotharr]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

An M16 extractor is safer than a Sako: quite a bit safer. But you still have the potential for a flying piece to go down the bolt raceway towards the shooter/spectator. It would take a pretty big Kaboom to snap an M16 extractor, but it's possible. A Remington style is clearly the safest, followed by a sliding plate extractor.

Why do you want to modify it? For 308 and smaller cases, a standard remington style works extremely well. The only reason I would consider using something other than a Remington style extractor is if you are using a coned bolt (not possible to use a Remington style). In that case, a sliding plate would be the safest choice.

It ultimately depends on what you value most. If safety is most important: go with a Rem extractor. If function and kindness to brass is important: then an M16 is a great choice. Rem extractors are known to take brass shavings out of the case rim. M16 extractors are "kinder" in this regard.

 

[thefitter]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

I have to have a new bolt made for my .308 700 because a previous gunsmith missed timed it when installing my aftermarket bolt handle. It's tig welded on.

It's being recommended that I go with a custom bolt from PT&G and a mini M16 extractor. It comes as a kit and all the machining is done by PT&G, the smith is just installing it.

I spoke with GAP about this just for a second opinion and was told that they can not even see <span style="text-decoration: underline">how</span> an extractor can blow down the raceway. So now I'm even more confused.

Thanks

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> For 308 and smaller cases, a standard remington style works extremely well. </div></div>

I have to disagree, my experience with factory remington extractors on two different .223's was extremely frustrating. One of the two wouldn't pull 60% of the time, and the other one (brand new) wouldn't pull 10% of the time. The worst part was it ruined a PD shoot 800 miles from home.
I had a Sako installed, and haven't missed one yet.
Since I am no gunsmith, I cant say whether it is safe or not. I understand what is being said about facebound renegade extractors, I guess I'm SOL.

 

[darrenk75b]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

The Sako extractor has no pins holding it in place. However, the M16 does. This alone makes it much less likely for a catastrophic failure of the extractor to occur. I've had a number of Stiller actions with M16 extractors, and a Howa with one as well. Extraction is great.

 

[psmith]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

I just had a one piece PTG bolt in mine with the M16 extractor. No problems so far! Took awhile to get though.

 

[thefitter]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: psmith</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Took awhile to get though. </div></div>

Tell me about it.

 

[Red Belly]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

Still waiting on mine. Keep in mind, the majority of these safety issues start with improper hand loading.

 

[mdmp5]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Factory Rem is just fine, anything else is a solution looking for a problem. </div></div>

I had a factory remington extractor break on me on a 300 WM with not many rounds down the tube. I don't think the design is very good at all.

 

[neeley205]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: palmik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Factory Rem is just fine, anything else is a solution looking for a problem. </div></div>

I had a factory remington extractor break on me on a 300 WM with not many rounds down the tube. I don't think the design is very good at all. </div></div>

The extractor in my .223 Rem has given me nonstop issues from shaving brass from the rim to not even being able to get the round out of the ejection port, leaving me to dig it out with my finger.

 

[mdmp5]

Re: M16 Extractor safe?

It is an archaic design. Yes, it may be safe, but how many people have actually had a sako extractor blow up on them? Is this a stat or simply a theory based on possibility with low probability?