Hi, all. I'm looking for info on any potential jobs as a precicion marksman in Iraq/ Afganistan. As a civillian, is there anything I could do? Who would I contact?
Thanks.
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Marksman jobs for a Civi?
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Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
mckinney mike is the pro from dover and knows everthing bolt gun....chat him up
mckinney mike is the pro from dover and knows everthing bolt gun....chat him up
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If you have to ask that question, you're not qualified for the job. Sorry.
If you have to ask that question, you're not qualified for the job. Sorry.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mckinney mike is the pro from dover and knows everthing bolt gun....chat him up </div></div>
Nice Richard Hooker reference.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mckinney mike is the pro from dover and knows everthing bolt gun....chat him up </div></div>
Nice Richard Hooker reference.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
lol, on the real there isn't very may paid positions for a "marksman" in-fact there are not very many positions in contract security period. Not that its trying up just that most companies have their rotations already filled.
lol, on the real there isn't very may paid positions for a "marksman" in-fact there are not very many positions in contract security period. Not that its trying up just that most companies have their rotations already filled.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
Several of the large contract agencies post up their openings on their websites.
Now ask yourself this....if you are not prior mil or LE then what on your resume will separate you from the six million wanna-be's and crazies that spam these companies?
I am not poking fun. It's a serious question.
Several of the large contract agencies post up their openings on their websites.
Now ask yourself this....if you are not prior mil or LE then what on your resume will separate you from the six million wanna-be's and crazies that spam these companies?
I am not poking fun. It's a serious question.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
Adding to what LoneWofUSMC said, plus some serious in-country time in a combat MOS/Billet/NEC, So-So credit, and great background check, within 4 years of your last weapons qualification with M-16 or current issue weapon.
Adding to what LoneWofUSMC said, plus some serious in-country time in a combat MOS/Billet/NEC, So-So credit, and great background check, within 4 years of your last weapons qualification with M-16 or current issue weapon.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
No. Now, if they can hit a 1-iron...
Lee Trevino once advised that in the event of a thunderstorm, one should walk down the fairway holding a 1-iron overhead, saying, "Even God cannot hit a 1-iron."
Lee was wrong, though.
No. Now, if they can hit a 1-iron...
Lee Trevino once advised that in the event of a thunderstorm, one should walk down the fairway holding a 1-iron overhead, saying, "Even God cannot hit a 1-iron."
Lee was wrong, though.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bigwheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi, all. I'm looking for info on any potential jobs as a precicion marksman in Iraq/ Afganistan. As a civillian, is there anything I could do? Who would I contact? Thanks. </div></div>
Bigwheels -
Hey Brother, the facts regarding being a Contractor for a PMC are pretty stark. The government is really cracking down on who gets to go overseas working armed security. Are there exceptions to the rule? Yes. But overall the contracting world has really tightened up.
The <span style="font-weight: bold">major players</span> in contracting world make most their money doing government contracts. Many, if not all, of these contracts require the individual contractor to have a <span style="font-weight: bold">minimum</span> of some sort of Special Operations experience.
<span style="color: #3333FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">The real job security goes to those individual Contractors who come from Tier 1 Special Operations Units</span></span> such as the Navy SEALs, Army Delta Force/CAG, Special Forces Groups, the Ranger Regiment (3 Battalions plus Regimental HQ), the Air Force Para-Rescue, CAC and SITT teams and the Marine Corps MSOR units.
Members of very active SWAT teams (big city SWAT teams) are also recruited as they are exposed to urban type warfare on a daily basis.
It is from these elite units that "Designated Marksman" / "Snipers" are picked. And all those picked worked as a DM or Sniper in their previous assignment and have years of experience doing so.
A guy "off the block" with no military or police experience has a small chance of getting in the door of a of the major PMC companies <span style="font-weight: bold">at any level</span>. Has it happened? Of course. But don't bet on it.
Some guys go to the extreme of signing on with small, fly-by-night PMC companies which have horrible records. In these companies you'll find a lot of untrained and undisciplined hooligans on board that aren't professional and really have no idea of what they're doing. "Running and Gunning" isn't the way that a professional PMC operates. That sort of mentality leads to a very short life expectancy, especially in Iraq. There are numerous American bodies in the deserts of Iraq that have not even been recovered. This is symptomatic of such shoddy companies.
My advice to anyone wanting to be a Private Military Contractor is as follows.
Pre-employment Prep: Get a divorce, lose your wife, your family, your belongings and all the money you'll make for the next 10+ years. (No, really. This is the "easy" part!)
Step 1: Join the Marine Corps as a Grunt (Infantry). If you haven't completed the Pre-employment prep by now, it'll take care of itself pretty quickly.
Step 2: Bust your balls and get into some sort of Sniper unit whether at Battalion or higher level.
Step 3: Go to Sniper school, pass and earn the USMC Sniper MOS (whatever that is these days).
Step 4: Deploy to high conflict war zone (Afghanistan seems to be the hottest now).
Step 5: See lots of action. Volunteer to stay in country for the rest of your enlistment.
Step 6: Send your resume out to the major players of the PMC world (Blackwater/Xe, Triple Canopy, Dynacorps, MVM, etc.) at least 6 months prior to the end of your enlistment.
Step 7: If you don't get a positive response, re-up, stay in combat zone and keep trying.
Good luck!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bigwheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi, all. I'm looking for info on any potential jobs as a precicion marksman in Iraq/ Afganistan. As a civillian, is there anything I could do? Who would I contact? Thanks. </div></div>
Bigwheels -
Hey Brother, the facts regarding being a Contractor for a PMC are pretty stark. The government is really cracking down on who gets to go overseas working armed security. Are there exceptions to the rule? Yes. But overall the contracting world has really tightened up.
The <span style="font-weight: bold">major players</span> in contracting world make most their money doing government contracts. Many, if not all, of these contracts require the individual contractor to have a <span style="font-weight: bold">minimum</span> of some sort of Special Operations experience.
<span style="color: #3333FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">The real job security goes to those individual Contractors who come from Tier 1 Special Operations Units</span></span> such as the Navy SEALs, Army Delta Force/CAG, Special Forces Groups, the Ranger Regiment (3 Battalions plus Regimental HQ), the Air Force Para-Rescue, CAC and SITT teams and the Marine Corps MSOR units.
Members of very active SWAT teams (big city SWAT teams) are also recruited as they are exposed to urban type warfare on a daily basis.
It is from these elite units that "Designated Marksman" / "Snipers" are picked. And all those picked worked as a DM or Sniper in their previous assignment and have years of experience doing so.
A guy "off the block" with no military or police experience has a small chance of getting in the door of a of the major PMC companies <span style="font-weight: bold">at any level</span>. Has it happened? Of course. But don't bet on it.
Some guys go to the extreme of signing on with small, fly-by-night PMC companies which have horrible records. In these companies you'll find a lot of untrained and undisciplined hooligans on board that aren't professional and really have no idea of what they're doing. "Running and Gunning" isn't the way that a professional PMC operates. That sort of mentality leads to a very short life expectancy, especially in Iraq. There are numerous American bodies in the deserts of Iraq that have not even been recovered. This is symptomatic of such shoddy companies.
My advice to anyone wanting to be a Private Military Contractor is as follows.
Pre-employment Prep: Get a divorce, lose your wife, your family, your belongings and all the money you'll make for the next 10+ years. (No, really. This is the "easy" part!)
Step 1: Join the Marine Corps as a Grunt (Infantry). If you haven't completed the Pre-employment prep by now, it'll take care of itself pretty quickly.
Step 2: Bust your balls and get into some sort of Sniper unit whether at Battalion or higher level.
Step 3: Go to Sniper school, pass and earn the USMC Sniper MOS (whatever that is these days).
Step 4: Deploy to high conflict war zone (Afghanistan seems to be the hottest now).
Step 5: See lots of action. Volunteer to stay in country for the rest of your enlistment.
Step 6: Send your resume out to the major players of the PMC world (Blackwater/Xe, Triple Canopy, Dynacorps, MVM, etc.) at least 6 months prior to the end of your enlistment.
Step 7: If you don't get a positive response, re-up, stay in combat zone and keep trying.
Good luck!
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
Thanks Texagator, & Ranger. I just met a guy that just got out of there a few weeks ago, & he said in passing that there were positions for some remote posts where millitary training wasn't necissary. I assume he was talking about the "fly by night" companies you refer to. Anyway, I was inquiring due to the present state of things around my AO. Looking for a job I could do, & make some money. I can shoot, so I thought i'd ask.
Thanks Texagator, & Ranger. I just met a guy that just got out of there a few weeks ago, & he said in passing that there were positions for some remote posts where millitary training wasn't necissary. I assume he was talking about the "fly by night" companies you refer to. Anyway, I was inquiring due to the present state of things around my AO. Looking for a job I could do, & make some money. I can shoot, so I thought i'd ask.
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lol, well put. I have YET to meet a single contractor who wasn't prior SOF, doin anything other then sitting at a gate checking ID's.
lol, well put. I have YET to meet a single contractor who wasn't prior SOF, doin anything other then sitting at a gate checking ID's.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lol, well put. I have YET to meet a single contractor who wasn't prior SOF, doin anything other then sitting at a gate checking ID's. </div></div>
There are a lot of guys working that have never been in a SOF unit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lol, well put. I have YET to meet a single contractor who wasn't prior SOF, doin anything other then sitting at a gate checking ID's. </div></div>
There are a lot of guys working that have never been in a SOF unit.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Pre-employment Prep: Get a divorce, lose your wife, your family, your belongings and all the money you'll make for the next 10+ years. (No, really. This is the "easy" part!)
</div></div>
I would say the guys that I work with, almost all of them are married.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Pre-employment Prep: Get a divorce, lose your wife, your family, your belongings and all the money you'll make for the next 10+ years. (No, really. This is the "easy" part!)
</div></div>
I would say the guys that I work with, almost all of them are married.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
When mine found out I was shopping for contract work she told me now to worry about being married.....because if I deployed I wouldn't be.
She felt that I had put in my time and didn't want to go to bed each night wondering if I was still alive or not. I stopped being selfish and hugged my kids.
If I wasn't married or had kids I would probably be typing this out on a dust crusted iPhone on some crap FOB somewhere.
When mine found out I was shopping for contract work she told me now to worry about being married.....because if I deployed I wouldn't be.
She felt that I had put in my time and didn't want to go to bed each night wondering if I was still alive or not. I stopped being selfish and hugged my kids.
If I wasn't married or had kids I would probably be typing this out on a dust crusted iPhone on some crap FOB somewhere.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
Want a "shooting" job, that requires no experence. More simple then you think.
Buy a good bolt action 22, a couple thousand rounds of 22 shorts, move to Alaska, buy a trappers license, and head for somewhere like Minto Flats, (down river from Tanana) and shoot muskrats.
Take your fishing gear, you will find some of the best pike fishing in the world.
Don't laugh, its doable, its a shooting job, and it gets you away from the problems in your AO, as you call it.
Want a "shooting" job, that requires no experence. More simple then you think.
Buy a good bolt action 22, a couple thousand rounds of 22 shorts, move to Alaska, buy a trappers license, and head for somewhere like Minto Flats, (down river from Tanana) and shoot muskrats.
Take your fishing gear, you will find some of the best pike fishing in the world.
Don't laugh, its doable, its a shooting job, and it gets you away from the problems in your AO, as you call it.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Want a "shooting" job, that requires no experence. More simple then you think.
Buy a good bolt action 22, a couple thousand rounds of 22 shorts, move to Alaska, buy a trappers license, and head for somewhere like Minto Flats, (down river from Tanana) and shoot muskrats.
Take your fishing gear, you will find some of the best pike fishing in the world.
Don't laugh, its doable, its a shooting job, and it gets you away from the problems in your AO, as you call it. </div></div>
In all seriousness, how much can you get for a muskrat?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Want a "shooting" job, that requires no experence. More simple then you think.
Buy a good bolt action 22, a couple thousand rounds of 22 shorts, move to Alaska, buy a trappers license, and head for somewhere like Minto Flats, (down river from Tanana) and shoot muskrats.
Take your fishing gear, you will find some of the best pike fishing in the world.
Don't laugh, its doable, its a shooting job, and it gets you away from the problems in your AO, as you call it. </div></div>
In all seriousness, how much can you get for a muskrat?
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In all seriousness, how much can you get for a muskrat?</div></div>It depends if it's in the original box: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskrat_(G.I._Joe)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In all seriousness, how much can you get for a muskrat?</div></div>It depends if it's in the original box: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskrat_(G.I._Joe)
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Muskrat prices are about 5 bucks now, Alaska rats may be higher.
http://trappingtoday.com/index.php/category/fur-prices/
I was being serious, there are thousands of them in the marshy areas around those rivers, (Tanana and Yukon). If I remember right the season runs into june. It that country you can shoot all night. Nap and fish during the day. Hit it in Sept and you get some of the best duck hunting in the world.
If you can shoot, dont mind the isolation (you said you wanted to get away from your "AO") this will do it. Get a copy of 'FUR, FISH, AND GAME" from your local news stand and find out what its about. Make more sinse then trying to get a contractor job for the non-qualified.
I did this when I was much younger around healy. I dont know if my old bones could handle it now.
Muskrat prices are about 5 bucks now, Alaska rats may be higher.
http://trappingtoday.com/index.php/category/fur-prices/
I was being serious, there are thousands of them in the marshy areas around those rivers, (Tanana and Yukon). If I remember right the season runs into june. It that country you can shoot all night. Nap and fish during the day. Hit it in Sept and you get some of the best duck hunting in the world.
If you can shoot, dont mind the isolation (you said you wanted to get away from your "AO") this will do it. Get a copy of 'FUR, FISH, AND GAME" from your local news stand and find out what its about. Make more sinse then trying to get a contractor job for the non-qualified.
I did this when I was much younger around healy. I dont know if my old bones could handle it now.
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When mine found out I was shopping for contract work she told me now to worry about being married.....because if I deployed I wouldn't be.
She felt that I had put in my time and didn't want to go to bed each night wondering if I was still alive or not. I stopped being selfish and hugged my kids.
If I wasn't married or had kids I would probably be typing this out on a dust crusted iPhone on some crap FOB somewhere. </div></div>
Same here, when I did loose the girl it lost it appeal. Then we lost our contracts, so its an impossibility which I don't mind.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When mine found out I was shopping for contract work she told me now to worry about being married.....because if I deployed I wouldn't be.
She felt that I had put in my time and didn't want to go to bed each night wondering if I was still alive or not. I stopped being selfish and hugged my kids.
If I wasn't married or had kids I would probably be typing this out on a dust crusted iPhone on some crap FOB somewhere. </div></div>
Same here, when I did loose the girl it lost it appeal. Then we lost our contracts, so its an impossibility which I don't mind.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Muskrat prices are about 5 bucks now, Alaska rats may be higher.
http://trappingtoday.com/index.php/category/fur-prices/
I was being serious, there are thousands of them in the marshy areas around those rivers, (Tanana and Yukon). If I remember right the season runs into june. It that country you can shoot all night. Nap and fish during the day. Hit it in Sept and you get some of the best duck hunting in the world.
If you can shoot, dont mind the isolation (you said you wanted to get away from your "AO") this will do it. Get a copy of 'FUR, FISH, AND GAME" from your local news stand and find out what its about. Make more sinse then trying to get a contractor job for the non-qualified.
I did this when I was much younger around healy. I dont know if my old bones could handle it now. </div></div>
I believe that you are being serious. Spent about 4 years in Fairbanks. That sounds like fun!! Maybe some day will do it over a weekend. Will be moving back up there in a few years.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Muskrat prices are about 5 bucks now, Alaska rats may be higher.
http://trappingtoday.com/index.php/category/fur-prices/
I was being serious, there are thousands of them in the marshy areas around those rivers, (Tanana and Yukon). If I remember right the season runs into june. It that country you can shoot all night. Nap and fish during the day. Hit it in Sept and you get some of the best duck hunting in the world.
If you can shoot, dont mind the isolation (you said you wanted to get away from your "AO") this will do it. Get a copy of 'FUR, FISH, AND GAME" from your local news stand and find out what its about. Make more sinse then trying to get a contractor job for the non-qualified.
I did this when I was much younger around healy. I dont know if my old bones could handle it now. </div></div>
I believe that you are being serious. Spent about 4 years in Fairbanks. That sounds like fun!! Maybe some day will do it over a weekend. Will be moving back up there in a few years.
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Louisiana is paying $4 per nutria. You just have to turn in the tail.
http://www.nutria.com/site9.php
Interesting quote from that website: "The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries is charged with the responsibility of managing and protecting Louisiana's abundant natural resources."
Apparently some resources are <span style="font-style: italic">too</span> abundant...
Louisiana is paying $4 per nutria. You just have to turn in the tail.
http://www.nutria.com/site9.php
Interesting quote from that website: "The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries is charged with the responsibility of managing and protecting Louisiana's abundant natural resources."
Apparently some resources are <span style="font-style: italic">too</span> abundant...
Re: Marksman jobs for a Civi?
What's the going rate on two legged rats?...I can make a quick fortune over here
What's the going rate on two legged rats?...I can make a quick fortune over here
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misread your post. so i cant offer anything about shooting over there, but...hey. i used to read newspapers for a living at a media monitoring service. one of the things i read was states using private hired sharpshooters to clear out deer for population or disease control in livestock areas. usually the locals get pissed cause they are paying people to do what a local increase of deer tags would better serve plus bring money in, but thats another debate. the hired sharpshooters work as a two man team. they use night vision and supressed weapons and scout from a vehicle. that sounds like another job description some members may have experience with. not sure how to get into to that field and i really dont recall the states doing it, but that may be an option. yahoo or google should find a few articles to get you in that direction.
also while searching govt job databases like usajobs.gov, i did see a predator killing positin listed as a government job, so they are out there and you can get vet's preference when applying.
misread your post. so i cant offer anything about shooting over there, but...hey. i used to read newspapers for a living at a media monitoring service. one of the things i read was states using private hired sharpshooters to clear out deer for population or disease control in livestock areas. usually the locals get pissed cause they are paying people to do what a local increase of deer tags would better serve plus bring money in, but thats another debate. the hired sharpshooters work as a two man team. they use night vision and supressed weapons and scout from a vehicle. that sounds like another job description some members may have experience with. not sure how to get into to that field and i really dont recall the states doing it, but that may be an option. yahoo or google should find a few articles to get you in that direction.
also while searching govt job databases like usajobs.gov, i did see a predator killing positin listed as a government job, so they are out there and you can get vet's preference when applying.
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It was a joke..Jeeeesus. There are more rats here in NY with two legs "people" then four legged ones.
It was a joke..Jeeeesus. There are more rats here in NY with two legs "people" then four legged ones.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Louisiana is paying $4 per nutria. You just have to turn in the tail.
http://www.nutria.com/site9.php
Interesting quote from that website: "The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries is charged with the responsibility of managing and protecting Louisiana's abundant natural resources."
Apparently some resources are <span style="font-style: italic">too</span> abundant...
</div></div>
That's a big cash crop in the Southern end of the state. You better be a local if you want some of the action otherwise you may end up on the wrong end of a trot-line.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Louisiana is paying $4 per nutria. You just have to turn in the tail.
http://www.nutria.com/site9.php
Interesting quote from that website: "The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries is charged with the responsibility of managing and protecting Louisiana's abundant natural resources."
Apparently some resources are <span style="font-style: italic">too</span> abundant...
</div></div>
That's a big cash crop in the Southern end of the state. You better be a local if you want some of the action otherwise you may end up on the wrong end of a trot-line.
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