Maybe there's hope for the millennial generation after all...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/dining/game-hunting-food.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/dining/game-hunting-food.html
Maybe there's hope...
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What's bull shit?
Look at the number of hunting licenses year by year.
People as a whole are getting lazier. Most of the hunters are lazy and walk as little as possible. I would bet there are fewer people doing any outdoor activity.
Add in it's hard to find a hunting spot and the massive development and no shooting zones that are expanding all the time.
And optics and armor and night vision and thermal and food and water and a secure location. Make sure you make time to network with like minded people also. Oh have to buy comms too.
"Dem Fudds Doan Need No 30-Round Magazines...", Said nobody, no time (that I'm willing to listen to....).
Actually, I prefer 20's, they don't catch on as many things...
Not prepping, not networking. I have my home, my family, and my friends, and that's plenty enough right there.
Greg
Actually, I prefer 20's, they don't catch on as many things...
Not prepping, not networking. I have my home, my family, and my friends, and that's plenty enough right there.
Greg
how is this bullshit? just curious. are you saying that there are not less hunters today than in previous years/decades? or just that the degree of which, and term "dwindling" is an exaggeration?
A) NY Times article
B) Sample size of 2 people
C) NY Times article
The jobs part - ehhh, just ignore that one.
B) Sample size of 2 people
C) NY Times article
The jobs part - ehhh, just ignore that one.
every time i see mags on sale i think "buy some more" and then i look at the boxes of them i haven't opened yet and think, i can use that money on something else surely
14 to 16 million paid license holders every year since the 1970s.
https://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/subpages/licenseinfo/hunting.htm
Gotcha I have the USFWS numbers as well, which is what I go by. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just trying to get you to elaborate. So last numbers were 15.6 million sales (2018). License sales fluctuate. This is normal. In 1978, there were 16.3 million sales. So just looking at that, that is "dwindling" which by definition means gradually reducing in size. Sales are higher then they were in 2017, but barely. They are about 1million more than in 2014. Lets go back to 2018: 15.6million in sales with a population of 329 million. 1978: 16.3 million in sales. Population of 229 million people. So i'm looking more at percentages of hunters. That is a difference of 700k with a population difference 100million. With that many more people, it's a little telling that sales have gone down actually. Not anything to be alarmed about...yet...but going down regardless.
I appreciate you explaining your "bullshit" response..no pun intended. My wife and I both work in the wildlife field, so I was just curious to why you felt this was complete bullshit, and wanted to give you a chance to explain. In my opinion, numbers will go down more dramatically from what I have seen professionally, but that is just my 2cents. It seems like a lot of kids are not into hunting, which will translate into future generations not hunting. Hunting is a little intimidating for a person to just walk into, especially on public land here east of the Rockies.
What I see more of an issue now, is not license sales, but harvest numbers. In my state, to get deer to recommended population size, we need each licensed hunter to harvest at least 4 deer. The actual harvest numbers much less, and over 70% only harvest 1 deer. Purely my speculation is that people do not "need" the meat anymore, and therefor are just going after a nice buck. Speculation, but this is going by the data and what I see at work.
Anyway, thanks again. Wasn't trying to "call you out", just trying to get some outside perspective. I think there is more to consider beyond physical license sales (i.e. percentage based on population and future projections of sales).
Yup. Where deer or other varmints are over populated one of the following options need to happen
A) let hunters/shooters shoot the animal and leave it for the predators/scavengers and worms
or
B) let the "that's a waste crowd" pay for a service to come and gut and butcher the animal and give it to whoever you think is going to eat it.
It's not a waste to let an animal lay. It's a waste when ecosystems, gardens, crops etc are destroyed due to man causing over population problems. Man takes out all natural predators and provides an abundant food source for the grazers. Then nature tries to clean it up with blue tongue or chronic wasting disease etc and man steps in again to try and contain it.
I have crop damage permits and all the people that say they will come take a free deer are full of it. Doesn't matter if it's Monday morning or Sunday afternoon they never will come to get the deer because "something comes up". BS. These people won't come pick up free animals and they think I/other farmers/hunters have all the time and money in the world to gut and butcher the animal. They can pay for it.
Don't get me started on the idiot/lazy hunters that either horn hunt or are so dumb they never see any deer. Like the ones that drive trucks and 4wheelers up to or close to their stand
Or you could get depredation permits, organize a mass hunt (dogs etc.) and donate all the meat to the local soup kitchens and homeless shelters. That's what used to happen in NC, back when I hunted there. I think it's called FHFH now (Farmers & Hunters Feeding the Hungry). Used to be called just HFH back then.
That doesn't work. Need someone to just pick up the bodies. These are small parcels.
Good luck getting a bunch of people together for that kind of hunt anyway. End up with a bunch of drunks and people you wouldn't trust to hunt
At least DNR here is letting people use silenced rifles to shoot deer at night now. They are starting to realize the problem they have created.
I hear farmers complain about crop damage fairly regularly. Most of them also charge a "trespass fee" to hunt on their land.
It did not say percentages were dwindling, it said numbers were dwindling. In 2010 there were 14.4 million. So if we use 2010 and 2018 as two data points its increasing, but using two data points is useless. Its been up and down, but we have roughly the same amount of people hunting less than ground than in the 70s. Probably more people hunting illegally too, due to ever increasing license costs.
I was surprised to the numbers so steady. Judging from the Army of orange I see in Colorado every year. I expected a dramatic increase. Maybe its just more people jammed onto public lands, as more and more farmers and ranchers charge to hunt their ground.
None of this was the point of the thread. I bet we see more greenies and hippies joining the ranks of the army of orange as they seek a deeper connection with their food and nature. And trying to escape the unnatural food system we have created.
It did not say percentages were dwindling, it said numbers were dwindling. In 2010 there were 14.4 million. So if we use 2010 and 2018 as two data points its increasing, but using two data points is useless. Its been up and down, but we have roughly the same amount of people hunting less than ground than in the 70s. Probably more people hunting illegally too, due to ever increasing license costs.
I was surprised to the numbers so steady. Judging from the Army of orange I see in Colorado every year. I expected a dramatic increase. Maybe its just more people jammed onto public lands, as more and more farmers and ranchers charge to hunt their ground.
None of this was the point of the thread. I bet we see more greenies and hippies joining the ranks of the army of orange as they seek a deeper connection with their food and nature. And trying to escape the unnatural food system we have created.
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