Mcrees vs. XLR stocks

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#1
Does anyone have any insight as to why one might be better than the other. I'm intrigued to convert a TRG22 to a folding chassis (the Sako folding stock seems ridiculously overpriced).

I ask because a folding stock for my use will be very helpful..I'm wondering if there are differences between the two that I may have overlooked (they seem very similar as far as features go). CS,design,quality??? Thanks in advance..
 
#2
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I was sold on the xlr system with the exception of the scope height required. The handguard requires the scope to be high above the cl to clear. The mcrees stock is open above the barrel so you can still run the bell near the barrel.
 
#3
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Thanks, I was wondering about this. However, I'm not sure how much of an issue this is. Does this mean one would have to use high scope mounts when medium normally suffices? Also, does the XLR allow one to use ar15 grips as the Mcrees does?
 
#4
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The Extra high scope rings for the XLR is not a problem for me since it has an adjustable cheek piece. I've not had a problem with anything moving around.
With good rings and base it should never move.

Also, yes, it uses a standard AR grip.



 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: css</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Extra high scope rings for the XLR is not a problem for me since it has an adjustable cheek piece. I've not had a problem with anything moving around.
With good rings and base it should never move.

Also, yes, it uses a standard AR grip.



</div></div>

That was also the only thing holding me back but really the adjustment of the stock can negate almost any clearance issues so I ordered one. If it was a fixed stock, fixed cheek, it would be another story.
 
#6
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Thanks for the feedback...The XLR is very attractive, but I'm still trying to discern the difference between this and the Mcrees...
 
#7
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I have a mcree and I love it. I picked up one of the xlr blems a few days ago. waiting for it to get here. Only concern is higher rings. Will post back when I get some trigger time.

skog
 
#8
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To me, and this is just an observation. It appers that the XLR is a bit more finished. The Mcrees are more along the traditional rifle stock lines. From what I have read and seen, it's a Ford/Chevy situation. You just need to feel both and pick the one that best fits you.
 
#9
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I run 2 McRees's...one in my Remy 12.x 48 suppressed and the other houses my FN/SPR. Very light, very rigid platforms. The new ones have the gap between the grip and the trigger guard filled in, which to me is much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Scott's customer service is second to none!....just a great guy to deal with.

Steve
 
#10
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I run a McRee chassis on my 338LM and have found it to be rock solid. Mounting a USO Sn-3 TPAL with a 58mm bell was no trouble at all.

I have a second build underway in 308 that is also going in to a McRee chassis so that should tell you something about how I feel the chassis performs.

Scott's customer service is second to none and I can highly recommend dealing with him.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was sold on the xlr system with the exception of the scope height required. The handguard requires the scope to be high above the cl to clear.</div></div>

The XLR Evolution requires you to use (or trim) the base so that it does not protrude past the recoil lug. The rings/mount must also be high enough to clear the handguard block and tube.

Neither of these is much of an issue since the cheek piece can easily be adjusted to compensate. The height above the bore hasn't been much of an issue on my AR's and it hasn't been on the XLR either. In fact placing the barrel lower in relation to the head and therefore the shoulder causes some shooters to perceive a reduction in recoil. I have not noticed this myself, but enough shooters who have fired the system have commented on it, that it bears mentioning.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I have read and seen, it's a Ford/Chevy situation. You just need to feel both and pick the one that best fits you. </div></div>

This is most certainly an accurate comparison. I don't currently have a McRee's in the safe, but that may change soon. I have handled and shot them.

I really like the lines and finish of the Evolution chassis. It's evident that Kyle put a lot of work into it.

Between the two, you really can't make a bad choice. I am trying to get time to do a video review on the XLR Evolution. I should have the web review done shortly.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was sold on the xlr system with the exception of the scope height required. The handguard requires the scope to be high above the cl to clear.</div></div>

The XLR Evolution requires you to use (or trim) the base so that it does not protrude past the recoil lug. The rings/mount must also be high enough to clear the handguard block and tube.

Neither of these is much of an issue since the cheek piece can easily be adjusted to compensate. The height above the bore hasn't been much of an issue on my AR's and it hasn't been on the XLR either. In fact placing the barrel lower in relation to the head and therefore the shoulder causes some shooters to perceive a reduction in recoil. I have not noticed this myself, but enough shooters who have fired the system have commented on it, that it bears mentioning.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I have read and seen, it's a Ford/Chevy situation. You just need to feel both and pick the one that best fits you. </div></div>

This is most certainly an accurate comparison. I don't currently have a McRee's in the safe, but that may change soon. I have handled and shot them.

I really like the lines and finish of the Evolution chassis. It's evident that Kyle put a lot of work into it.

Between the two, you really can't make a bad choice. I am trying to get time to do a video review on the XLR Evolution. I should have the web review done shortly. </div></div>

Post that vid STAT. Need something to pass the next 6 weeks.
 
#13
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How are you going to use the rifle? If you just shoot off a bipod or sand bags, it doesn't make much difference. If you like to sling up and get into position, the McRee forend is square and the XLR is round. I'd rather get a grip on a round handguard than a square one.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natty Bumpo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd rather get a grip on a round handguard than a square one. </div></div>

While it is going to be personal preference, I will say that FOR ME as long as the forend does not have sharp corners a flat forend doesn't negatively impact my hold in the offhand position.

My AR10 (Badger Stabilizer) and AE MkII are prime examples of this.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Post that vid STAT. Need something to pass the next 6 weeks. </div></div>

Working on it. Lots of irons in the fire right now. </div></div>

No problem. I think I actually stumbled across one of your youtube posts when I was trying to figure out how to bed a base, thought it was pretty good so I subscribed. It'll probably pop up on my homepage once it's up.
 
#17
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Although I do have an XLR on order, I will knock it once for the handguard design. I'm not sure it could be changed or improved, but by nature, it's gonna force a sale of my Nightforce 56mm (which no one seems to want).

That said, I like the XLR over the McRee in virtually every other category and I wasn't gonna let a tall handguard be the dealbreaker.
 
#18
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I don't own either one yet, but am thinking about the XLR. I don't see an issue with relieving some material from the handguard to allow the scope to be mounted lower.
 
#19
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last week I got my Mcrees stock, bolted in the gun and torqued to spec. went to the range yesterday and....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mscott</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't own either one yet, but am thinking about the XLR. I don't see an issue with relieving some material from the handguard to allow the scope to be mounted lower. </div></div>

I thought the same thing when I first saw my buddies xlr. A slot a little larger than size of the objective bell, just to sit a bit lower.

I should be receiving my xlr mid september. I still my consider this.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Although I do have an XLR on order, I will knock it once for the handguard design. I'm not sure it could be changed or improved, but by nature, it's gonna force a sale of my Nightforce 56mm (which no one seems to want).

That said, I like the XLR over the McRee in virtually every other category and I wasn't gonna let a tall handguard be the dealbreaker. </div></div>

No sir. I ran a 56mm Nightforce on my XLR chassis. No material needed to be removed from the hard guard either.

-Chris
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> HERE is a real good visual of how high the scope needs to be to clear the handguard on the XLR chassis. </div></div>

I think you are missing the point. The relationship between the shoulder, cheek, and scope, on an XLR, is no different than any other rifle (when using the XLR buttstock). It is better in fact. That is exactly why most feel a rifle set in an XLR chassis has less recoil.

Also, The mount pictured in your link is what most use on an AI. Does that mean the AW is also set up wrong?

-Chris
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cavemanmoore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> HERE is a real good visual of how high the scope needs to be to clear the handguard on the XLR chassis. </div></div>

I think you are missing the point. The relationship between the shoulder, cheek, and scope, on an XLR, is no different than any other rifle (when using the XLR buttstock). It is better in fact. That is exactly why most feel a rifle set in an XLR chassis has less recoil.

Also, The mount pictured in your link is what most use on an AI. Does that mean the AW is also set up wrong?

-Chris
</div></div>

Personally, the cheek on my manners and mcmillan is alot higher than most need to run them. Looking at the layout on the cheek of the xlr, I highly doubt that it would have enough elevation for proper weld the way I need to run them. I had to have manners make extensions for the terry cross hardware on my T5a.

If the stock can be properly set up for you, then great. Wont work for me and the pic I have linked illistrates that perfectly. I just wanted to show those who didn't know what the clearance needs to be.

Nothing else. No pissing match needed.
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cavemanmoore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Although I do have an XLR on order, I will knock it once for the handguard design. I'm not sure it could be changed or improved, but by nature, it's gonna force a sale of my Nightforce 56mm (which no one seems to want).

That said, I like the XLR over the McRee in virtually every other category and I wasn't gonna let a tall handguard be the dealbreaker. </div></div>

No sir. I ran a 56mm Nightforce on my XLR chassis. No material needed to be removed from the hard guard either.

-Chris </div></div>

I think Jason was just trying to give a point of reference to illustrate the difference in clearance between the XLR and that new fangled a hole of his.
 
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If a newb came here and posted a pic of his setup and the bell to barrel relationship looked like the one I linked, you guys would chew his a$$.

You gotta have alot of realestate under the bell when using the xlr. Plain and simple.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cavemanmoore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> HERE is a real good visual of how high the scope needs to be to clear the handguard on the XLR chassis. </div></div>

I think you are missing the point. The relationship between the shoulder, cheek, and scope, on an XLR, is no different than any other rifle (when using the XLR buttstock). It is better in fact. That is exactly why most feel a rifle set in an XLR chassis has less recoil.

Also, The mount pictured in your link is what most use on an AI. Does that mean the AW is also set up wrong?

-Chris
</div></div>

Personally, the cheek on my manners and mcmillan is alot higher than most need to run them. Looking at the layout on the cheek of the xlr, I highly doubt that it would have enough elevation for proper weld the way I need to run them. I had to have manners make extensions for the terry cross hardware on my T5a.

If the stock can be properly set up for you, then great. Wont work for me and the pic I have linked illistrates that perfectly. I just wanted to show those who didn't know what the clearance needs to be.

Nothing else. No pissing match needed. </div></div>

Sir,

I'm sorry if I came across as confrontational. I certainly didn't mean to. And all feedback, especially constructive feedback like you are offering, is good feedback!

I've run most other brands of stocks including the ones you mentioned. I require a VERY high cheek rest. The XLR is the first stock I have been behind that could accommodate that. If you are ever near Western Colorado, let me know. I would love to hear your thoughts after you have had a chance to shoot an XLR equipped rifle.

Respectfully,
-Chris
 
#28
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Chris, no harm no foul. The required mounting height of the xlr is just so "backwards" to a conventional setup. Its always been preached (and I've listened and follwed suit) that the closer to the cl of your barrel that your scope can be, the better off you are. I typically have to trim my objective dust cover to get it to go between the scope and barrel. Most of my covers are totally missing the bottom portion. Even with this close fit, my cheek piece is WAY up in the air.

I've never driven an xlr chassis equipped rifle and I appreciate the offer to get behind yours. If it fits, then i'll change my tune.

Jim
 
#29
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I have a mcrees chassis and it quite simple to use and take down for maintenance.Scott Mcree is awesome for customer service still treats you as a customer not big business consumer.It shoots damn good and i believe its cheaper.But you must feel both chassis in hand before you decide.That way you know what feels and fits best. good luck
 
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my XLR Evolution sans barreled action, weighed in at 4.4lbs. Also, this was with the first gen buttstock (has the bag rail as opposed to the angled handle). I also shopped for McCree's when I was looking at chassis and Scott's was not much heavier. It's for this reason that I'm glad my rifle has a brake!

ETA - you're scope doesn't have to be mounted that high to clear the Evolution's handguard. There are so many ring height sizes...I had XTR mediums which gave me about a micron's worth of clearance. This would've been perfect but my BC cap would not fit well. If you have the patience to cycle through a few different sizes, you'll find some that aren't too tall. I honestly would've bet my measly paycheck that the handguard would've hit the objective bell on my scope when the bipod was loaded but I would've lost! I tried to make that thing touch and it would NOT budge. Speaks volumes to the quality and rigidity of Kyle's work of art.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetrashmo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> you must feel both chassis in hand before you decide.That way you know what feels and fits best. </div></div>

Anyone got a mcrees or xlr in the Memphis area? I would like to check them out before buying an aics.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks, I was wondering about this. However, I'm not sure how much of an issue this is. Does this mean one would have to use high scope mounts when medium normally suffices? Also, does the XLR allow one to use ar15 grips as the Mcrees does? </div></div>

im running the nightforce highs on mine. i think they were the 1.25" and yes, you can put AR-15 grips on them. im running an ergo grip on mine. aside from the scope having to be mounted high, it doesnt affect anything. thats the point of it being fully adjustable!
 
#36
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gunnut284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would so look at the KRG Whiskey-3 chassis for a TRG. </div></div>

+1 the KRG stock is a fantastic product and you keep the look of the sako
 
#39
I gotta say, the XLR chassis might be worth it based on my dealings with Kyle alone...aside from it being a solid functional design. I run a 50mm mark 4 on my XLR... Leupold highs with a 20 moa base fits perfectly. less than 1/8 inch clearance...Been out to 850 yards no problem.
 
#40
I had a custom 338 LM in an XLR and thought it was a great combo I shot it strictly off a bipod and everything was great.

But...

If I was shooting comps where I shot over a barrier and used the barrier as a rest I would like a flat forearm as I think I would be able to get a more stable hold. You can get an add-on for the XLR for a flat section on the forearm but why need to add it.

The only design issue I saw with the XLR beyond that was that the folding stock folded on the side opposite the bolt. Carrying it in a sling with it folded would have been more comfortable if it folded over the bolt, the bolt would also get additional protection and fix it in place. Probably a little nit.
 
#41
I apologize for the bump of an older thread, but I didn't want to start a new thread on the same topic.

I'm a professional commercial photographer and have been taking pictures of high end prcesision rifles for a couple of clients. I'm starting to pickup more clinets who produce accessories (muzzle brakes, bolt knobs, scope bases, etc) for these rifle and would like to have my own rifle for these parts.

I've got a Savage model 12 action that the nice people at Benchmark Barrels have married to one of their 20", 1-10, .308 barrels. I am now looking for a stock/ chassis to put this in that will look great in pictures as well as work great (since I plan on actually shooting this rifle as well)

SO, with that said, what do the minds of SH believe will be the most versitle with the widest range of scopes and accessories? I've narrowed it down to the two listed in the title of this thread.

Thanks All!
 
#42
I have both stocks and like them both. I like the McCrees for ease of removing the action. I probably lean more towards the McCrees for some reason but I do like my XLR a lot too.
 
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