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Military Contract MSRP to Civilians

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What is this I keep hearing about if a company (say scope company like Leupold or Schmidt & Bender) gets a contract, they can't sell the same item for less to a civilian? Fact or fiction? Searching online returned not many results because the phrase is too long / coincides with too many things.
 
Hi,

Without knowing the full context of what you keep hearing; it sounds as if someone is referring to GSA pricing guidelines which is required to be the lowest price for that "exact" product.

DOD FedMall previously known as DOD Emall has been the fall of many small businesses.

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BUT it is going to get interesting when the new US Department of State guidelines go into affect in regards to ITAR items, specifically with Category 1, 2 and 3 being moved from DOS control to DOC control. Which items they deem military and which items they deem COTS (Common off the shelf) is going to turn GSA pricing guidelines upside down.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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Hi,

Without knowing the full context of what you keep hearing; it sounds as if someone is referring to GSA pricing guidelines which is required to be the lowest price for that "exact" product.

DOD FedMall previously known as DOD Emall has been the fall of many small businesses.

Edited To Add:
BUT it is going to get interesting when the new US Department of State guidelines go into affect in regards to ITAR items, specifically with Category 1, 2 and 3 being moved from DOS control to DOC control. Which items they deem military and which items they deem COTS (Common off the shelf) is going to turn GSA pricing guidelines upside down.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
Edited To Add:
BUT it is going to get interesting when the new US Department of State guidelines go into affect in regards to ITAR items, specifically with Category 1, 2 and 3 being moved from DOS control to DOC control. Which items they deem military and which items they deem COTS (Common off the shelf) is going to turn GSA pricing guidelines upside down.

Sincerely,
Theis

Yes, please elaborate.
 
I could be wrong but I think this came about from the scandal in the '80s of the gov paying $400 for hammers and $2000 for toilet seats.
It only makes sense, pay the same as anyone else.
While the wording may be "lowest" price from my view point that is not exactly how it works.
The key is "exact same" product.
The gov will in fact pay $10,000 for a hammer, if the job calls for some super dupper non-sparking, non-magnetic, non-conductive, slightly radioactive hammer. But they better not see it at Home Depot next week for $150.
Gov needs what they need, they will pay but you can not sell it for less to anyone.
The gov ends up paying for alot of R&D if the product scales up in volume to the world they want a price cut same as everyone else.
That is the way I see it anyway.
 
Here's my insight, as of now, of my former career as a defense procurement dude. Keep in mind the $400 dollar toilet seats and what not, were part of a contract with 100,000 other items on it that were bid with one price. When averaging out all the items by the final price, the cost is naturally good on some items and not so good on others. From the same contract the previous year there could have been a cost savings but who knows. Today, we don't do things quite that way but it still exists to some degree. When the .gov contracts stuff out say for the new pistol, their unit price is a like $90 a unit or whatever according to the IDIQ. Of course joe civilian isn't going to buy one at that price. If you were to buy as many of the same, you'd get the same pricing. But buying one, you get to bear the burden of the one off, which the manufacturer is forced to set in stone prior to bidding so the buyer can see what a good price break looks like and can compare to the competition. Also, the government adds in development, warranty, service, and spares into the equation. And on top of that, the allowable profit. I'm really simplifying it here, but you might get the idea.