Is the new PH 5-25x56 avaible with moa/moa knobs and reticle? If so does anyone have any pics? Curious to see how many min. there are per turn.
Thanks, FM
Thanks, FM
Rifle Scopes moa/moa Premier scope
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Re: moa/moa Premier scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not available in MOA/MOA configuration at this time per the website. The dual turn knob is 15 mils per turn which is about 52 MOA. </div></div>
I found out SWFA offers replacement elevation and windage knobs for them.
Elevation..
http://swfa.com/Premier-Heritage-Elevation-Replacement-Dial-P13031.aspx
Windage..
http://swfa.com/Premier-Heritage-Windage-Replacement-Dial-P13032.aspx
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not available in MOA/MOA configuration at this time per the website. The dual turn knob is 15 mils per turn which is about 52 MOA. </div></div>
I found out SWFA offers replacement elevation and windage knobs for them.
Elevation..
http://swfa.com/Premier-Heritage-Elevation-Replacement-Dial-P13031.aspx
Windage..
http://swfa.com/Premier-Heritage-Windage-Replacement-Dial-P13032.aspx
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
I don't what the point of those replacement knobs would be, given that the adjustments are in 0.1 mil increments, and you'd still have a milliradian reticle. Unless you replaced the internals of the scope, you'd still have 0.1 mil adjustments, but with markings in fractional MOA.
Doesn't seem like a smart idea to me. A scope whose reticle and adjustments are in the same system is an advantage, so you don't have to convert between systems. Replacing the mil knobs with MOA knobs just flushes that advantage down the toilet.
I don't what the point of those replacement knobs would be, given that the adjustments are in 0.1 mil increments, and you'd still have a milliradian reticle. Unless you replaced the internals of the scope, you'd still have 0.1 mil adjustments, but with markings in fractional MOA.
Doesn't seem like a smart idea to me. A scope whose reticle and adjustments are in the same system is an advantage, so you don't have to convert between systems. Replacing the mil knobs with MOA knobs just flushes that advantage down the toilet.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't what the point of those replacement knobs would be, given that the adjustments are in 0.1 mil increments, and you'd still have a milliradian reticle. Unless you replaced the internals of the scope, you'd still have 0.1 mil adjustments, but with markings in fractional MOA.
Doesn't seem like a smart idea to me. A scope whose reticle and adjustments are in the same system is an advantage, so you don't have to convert between systems. Replacing the mil knobs with MOA knobs just flushes that advantage down the toilet.
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Thats what I was thinking I was wondering how those would work. Do you know if they are planning to come out with a moa/moa scope with moa reticle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't what the point of those replacement knobs would be, given that the adjustments are in 0.1 mil increments, and you'd still have a milliradian reticle. Unless you replaced the internals of the scope, you'd still have 0.1 mil adjustments, but with markings in fractional MOA.
Doesn't seem like a smart idea to me. A scope whose reticle and adjustments are in the same system is an advantage, so you don't have to convert between systems. Replacing the mil knobs with MOA knobs just flushes that advantage down the toilet.
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Thats what I was thinking I was wondering how those would work. Do you know if they are planning to come out with a moa/moa scope with moa reticle?
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
Sorry Fire. I posted that and then went and did some deeper searching and found they do offer a 1/4 MOA knob but the reticle appears to still be mil. You can see it here
http://www.premierreticles.com/PDF%20Files/Options%20List.pdf
I was going to repost but got called away from the computer.
I do agree with Lindy on his points.
Sorry Fire. I posted that and then went and did some deeper searching and found they do offer a 1/4 MOA knob but the reticle appears to still be mil. You can see it here
http://www.premierreticles.com/PDF%20Files/Options%20List.pdf
I was going to repost but got called away from the computer.
I do agree with Lindy on his points.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
Actually was curious about the same thing as I was debating switching from MOA to MIL. I called and asked this question about a week ago. Not to speak for them, but I was told that they do not currently offer one, but are planning to do so. Was told it would still be months away, but less than a year.
Actually was curious about the same thing as I was debating switching from MOA to MIL. I called and asked this question about a week ago. Not to speak for them, but I was told that they do not currently offer one, but are planning to do so. Was told it would still be months away, but less than a year.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joel45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually was curious about the same thing as I was debating switching from MOA to MIL. I called and asked this question about a week ago. Not to speak for them, but I was told that they do not currently offer one, but are planning to do so. Was told it would still be months away, but less than a year. </div></div>
Thanks, Im with you not sure I want to make a change from moa to mil. Moa is just simple IMO not sure Im smart enough for Mil. yet.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joel45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually was curious about the same thing as I was debating switching from MOA to MIL. I called and asked this question about a week ago. Not to speak for them, but I was told that they do not currently offer one, but are planning to do so. Was told it would still be months away, but less than a year. </div></div>
Thanks, Im with you not sure I want to make a change from moa to mil. Moa is just simple IMO not sure Im smart enough for Mil. yet.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
No worries; one of the best educators on " units of angular measurement" is a veteran on here!
No worries; one of the best educators on " units of angular measurement" is a veteran on here!
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
Mils are just as simple as MOA.
Actually, I think driving a scope with 0.1 mil clicks is simpler than a fractional MOA scope, because you only have to remember one decimal place.
To find out how simple, just take your MOA dope, divide it by 3.438, and then round it off to the nearest 0.1.
If your dope at 600 is 15.75, that will give you 4.6.
You went from 2 decimal places to 1, and only one digit in front of the decimal place. What could be simpler?
Then, when you see the bullet strike 0.3 mils low in your reticle, you just crank up three clicks. Bingo!
Mils are simple.
Mils are just as simple as MOA.
Actually, I think driving a scope with 0.1 mil clicks is simpler than a fractional MOA scope, because you only have to remember one decimal place.
To find out how simple, just take your MOA dope, divide it by 3.438, and then round it off to the nearest 0.1.
If your dope at 600 is 15.75, that will give you 4.6.
You went from 2 decimal places to 1, and only one digit in front of the decimal place. What could be simpler?
Then, when you see the bullet strike 0.3 mils low in your reticle, you just crank up three clicks. Bingo!
Mils are simple.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
Yeah, this has been a real struggle for me. I have 3 NF scopes that I will have to sell to make the transition completely to mil/mil. I think I am going to do it, too. I have a US Optic on order--tough to switch now, but it only gets more expensive as you collect more.
What bugs me is some MOA reticles are MOA, while others are IPHY...Mils just seem more standard. It has been a real pain trying to decide what to do.
Yeah, this has been a real struggle for me. I have 3 NF scopes that I will have to sell to make the transition completely to mil/mil. I think I am going to do it, too. I have a US Optic on order--tough to switch now, but it only gets more expensive as you collect more.
What bugs me is some MOA reticles are MOA, while others are IPHY...Mils just seem more standard. It has been a real pain trying to decide what to do.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joel45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It has been a real pain trying to decide what to do.</div></div>
Tell me about it....I dont know what to do would like to have a mil/mil scope of some sort for a day or so to play before making the plunge.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joel45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It has been a real pain trying to decide what to do.</div></div>
Tell me about it....I dont know what to do would like to have a mil/mil scope of some sort for a day or so to play before making the plunge.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
If I had a few good scopes already in MOA format I'm not sure for me I would have made a change; but coming to the table when I did to purchase good glass I was lucky enough to have had the insight from guys like Lindy and others here to go with Mils.
Took me a minute to wrap my mind around it, but you soon realize that as with many things we tend to complicate things by over thinking them.
The advantages have been laid out by others before and far better, but for me it comes down to two simple things.
1. Smaller/less - numbers/digits are much easier for this wee brain of mine to work and remember.
2. The adjustment of Mil per click falling in between 1/2 MOA and 1/4 MOA I find a great compromise.
Last but certainly not least is; Premier you would assume will do MOA in the future, but you want to wait that long for a great scope/glass when you can enjoy it now
If I had a few good scopes already in MOA format I'm not sure for me I would have made a change; but coming to the table when I did to purchase good glass I was lucky enough to have had the insight from guys like Lindy and others here to go with Mils.
Took me a minute to wrap my mind around it, but you soon realize that as with many things we tend to complicate things by over thinking them.
The advantages have been laid out by others before and far better, but for me it comes down to two simple things.
1. Smaller/less - numbers/digits are much easier for this wee brain of mine to work and remember.
2. The adjustment of Mil per click falling in between 1/2 MOA and 1/4 MOA I find a great compromise.
Last but certainly not least is; Premier you would assume will do MOA in the future, but you want to wait that long for a great scope/glass when you can enjoy it now
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
Just for clarity, a scope with 0.1 mil clicks is moving .3438 MOA per click - which, as you say, is nicely between 0.25 MOA and 0.5 MOA.
In my experience, that's a very good adjustment for tactical shooting. Those doing benchrest shooting may want a finer adjustment, but finer adjustments require too much fiddling for dynamic tactical shooting.
Just for clarity, a scope with 0.1 mil clicks is moving .3438 MOA per click - which, as you say, is nicely between 0.25 MOA and 0.5 MOA.
In my experience, that's a very good adjustment for tactical shooting. Those doing benchrest shooting may want a finer adjustment, but finer adjustments require too much fiddling for dynamic tactical shooting.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
Go with mil/mil...if an old dog like me can make the transition smoothly anyone can.
Go with mil/mil...if an old dog like me can make the transition smoothly anyone can.
Re: moa/moa Premier scope
Well after reading Lowlights "Using a Mil Based Scope - Easy Transition" Well worth the read too anyone thinking of making the switch. I think im sold on going with a mil scope. Well we will see if it is as easy as it sounds!
Thanks, FM
Well after reading Lowlights "Using a Mil Based Scope - Easy Transition" Well worth the read too anyone thinking of making the switch. I think im sold on going with a mil scope. Well we will see if it is as easy as it sounds!
Thanks, FM
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