• Winner! Quick Shot Challenge: Caption This Sniper Fail Meme

    View thread

More Bullshit

Maggot

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood"
Supporter
Full Member
Minuteman
Supporter
  • Jul 27, 2007
    26,664
    31,385
    Virginia
    So apparantly now the government can make you buy advertising ......F'm

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lowe's Home Improvement has found itself facing a backlash after the retail giant pulled ads from a reality show about American Muslims.

    The retail giant stopped advertising on TLC's "All-American Muslim" after a conservative group known as the Florida Family Association complained, saying the program was "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."

    The show premiered last month and chronicles the lives of five families from Dearborn, Mich., a Detroit suburb with a large Muslim and Arab-American population.

    A state senator from Southern California said Sunday he was considering calling for a boycott.

    Calling the Lowe's decision "un-American" and "naked religious bigotry," Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, told The Associated Press he would also consider legislative action if Lowe's doesn't apologize to Muslims and reinstate its ads. The senator sent a letter outlining his complaints to Lowe's Chief Executive Officer Robert A. Niblock.

    "The show is about what it's like to be a Muslim in America, and it touches on the discrimination they sometimes face. And that kind of discrimination is exactly what's happening here with Lowe's," Lieu said.

    The Florida group sent three emails to its members, asking them to petition Lowe's to pull its advertising. Its website was updated to say that "supporters' emails to advertisers make a difference."

    The North Carolina-based Lowe's issued a statement apologizing for having "managed to make some people very unhappy."

    "Individuals and groups have strong political and societal views on this topic, and this program became a lightning rod for many of those views," the statement said. "As a result we did pull our advertising on this program. We believe it is best to respectfully defer to communities, individuals and groups to discuss and consider such issues of importance."






    The apology doesn't go far enough, Lieu said. The senator vowed to look into whether Lowe's violated any California laws and said he would also consider drafting a senate resolution condemning the company's actions.

    "We want to raise awareness so that consumers will know during this holiday shopping season that Lowe's is engaging in religious discrimination," Lieu said.

    Besides an apology and reinstatement of the ads, Lieu said he hoped Lowe's would make an outreach to the community about bias and bigotry.

    Lieu's office said a decision was expected Wednesday or Thursday on whether to proceed with the boycott.

    Lowe's said company officials are trying to make arrangements to talk directly to Lieu about his concerns and clarify the company's position.

    Suehaila Amen, whose family is featured on "All-American Muslim," said she was disappointed by the Lowe's decision.

    "I'm saddened that any place of business would succumb to bigots and people trying to perpetuate their negative views on an entire community," Amen, 32, told The Detroit News on Sunday.

    Dawud Walid, Michigan director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said his group felt "extreme disappointment" at Lowe's "capitulation to bigotry."

    Walid said he has heard expressions of anger and calls for a boycott by Muslims but said a key to resolving the Lowe's advertising controversy will be how non-Muslim religious leaders and others react to Lowe's decision.

    "I will be picking up the phone tomorrow to some of our friends and allies to explain the situation to them," Walid said Sunday.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    "I'm saddened that any place of business would succumb to bigots and people trying to perpetuate their negative views on an entire community," Amen, 32, told The Detroit News on Sunday.</div></div>

    I'm wondering what exactly that "entire community" is/was/has been doing to eradicate the cause of the 'Muslim Difference' in the world? Right back at-cha, missy

    I much prefer that Lowe's continue to support our troops, and THEIR (the Forces) cause.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    "I'm saddened that any place of business would succumb to bigots and people trying to perpetuate their negative views on an entire community," Amen, 32, told The Detroit News on Sunday.</div></div>

    I'm wondering what exactly that "entire community" is/was/has been doing to eradicate the cause of the 'Muslim Difference' in the world? Right back at-cha, missy

    <span style="color: #FF0000">I much prefer that Lowe's continue to support our troops, and THEIR (the Forces) cause.</span> </div></div>

    I thought their cause was the defense of the Constitution and within there the Freedom of Worship. When I say 'Thank you for your service' it's thank you for serving to help preserve the Constitution, not simply for joining the military (the difference being, no other military takes the oath to protect the Constitution of the United States).

    To ignore assaults on the US Constitution just because one is prejudiced against the people whose Constitutional rights are being abused or who are being targeted and slandered by a religious hate group is no different than those who assault the US Constitution by seeking to dilute, restrict and remove the 2ndA because they don't like guns or gun owners...

    There is no difference, there is no grey area. You either adhere to the Constitution and realize liberty for you means liberty for everyone or you're not a supporter of liberty at all.

     
    Re: More Bullshit

    Event, I hear you.

    While I am NOT trying to turn this into a circular argument, I will say that the troops are doing what they are doing, because of a "few" in comparison.

    But along with the Constitutional argument that you bring up, we also have the ability to "vote" either with our polls, our feet, and/or our money. (among other things). Ergo, the ubiquitous "we" are voting that this not be supported, apparently.

    Now on that note, the other main point I was trying to make here, is that so many countries around the world are/were involved in the GWOT. Maybe I'm wrong, but there definitely seems to me, to be a misrepresentation of "peoples" on this allied front.

    (This is NOT political...)

    No, I'm not being racist, either. It is one thing for a person or company to change their mind. It is another thing totally, though, for one to approach congress and force them to do so, willingly or not. (I'm sure there's better ways of saying that, but this is all that I can get across at the moment) [[need coffee]]
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    Florida Family Association complained, saying the program was "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."
    </div></div>

    It's conceivably possible.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A state senator from Southern California said Sunday he was considering calling for a boycott.

    Calling the Lowe's decision "un-American" and "naked religious bigotry," Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, told The Associated Press he would also consider legislative action if Lowe's doesn't apologize to Muslims and reinstate its ads. The senator sent a letter outlining his complaints to Lowe's Chief Executive Officer Robert A. Niblock.</div></div>

    This is blatant government meddling in the private sector. Government is now confused- they run GM, so they think they run all private business? ???

    It's a shame.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Event, I hear you.

    While I am NOT trying to turn this into a circular argument, I will say that the troops are doing what they are doing, because of a "few" in comparison.

    But along with the Constitutional argument that you bring up, we also have the ability to "vote" either with our polls, our feet, and/or our money. (among other things). Ergo, the ubiquitous "we" are voting that this not be supported, apparently.

    Now on that note, the other main point I was trying to make here, is that so many countries around the world are/were involved in the GWOT. Maybe I'm wrong, but there definitely seems to me, to be a misrepresentation of "peoples" on this allied front.

    (This is NOT political...)

    No, I'm not being racist, either. It is one thing for a person or company to change their mind. It is another thing totally, though, for one to approach congress and force them to do so, willingly or not. (I'm sure there's better ways of saying that, but this is all that I can get across at the moment) [[need coffee]] </div></div>

    I'm all for voting with my wallet and I'm all for recognizing that others are equally free to do so as well - whether their or my motives are rooted in bigotry or otherwise.

    I also agree with PDBeware and yourself that this is nothing for the Govt. to get all wrapped up in. Doubtless that politician has some constituency that's aggrieved by this event and he's feathering his nest as politicians are want to do. I don't think Lowe's did anything morally or legally wrong. They can advertise anywhere they like and they can ruin their own brand and create crap PR anyway they like.

    I won't be shopping at Lowe's because they caved in so spinelessly to a bunch of Floridian fools.

    I personally think that this whole anti-Islam waive is no more than the same anti-German and anti-Japanese and anti-Russian 'thing' this country went through in times past. We (as in humans) need a scary monster to be scared of.

    Just as not all Germans or Japanese or Russians were out to destroy the US so it is with the religion that those fine citizens in Florida are convinced is out to destroy this country.

    Haters gonna hate!

    What separates, and I hope continues to do so, this country from the rest, is that our Republic recognizes the inherent tyranny the majority can bring to bear on the minority and seeks to protect the unalienable rights of the minority - however much it may upset the majority.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do i have to be from Florida to join the Florida Family Association ? </div></div>

    Nah, you can be a nimrod right there, in your mum's basement.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To ignore assaults on the US Constitution just because one is prejudiced against the people whose Constitutional rights are being abused or who are being targeted and slandered by a religious hate group is no different than those who assault the US Constitution by seeking to dilute, restrict and remove the 2ndA because they don't like guns or gun owners...</div></div>

    Perhaps I did not read the article closely enough. How exactly did Lowe's violate the constitutional right to freedom of religion?

    Which article or amendment guarantees the right to support from groups in disagreement with a specific religion? I'm interested in this one as I would like the American Muslim Council to support the John Hagee Ministries.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    Not quite sure how to word this without crossing lines or stepping on toes, but here goes:

    The general jist of what I was trying to say, is that for a particular religion of people whom are such proponents of 'peace and love' and yet; a certain percentage of this same group are responsible for some of the most heinous 'peace-less and unlovingest' acts, then here is my question:

    How much effort has been done BY THIS GROUP to cleanse their image and ranks FROM WITHIN, as opposed to having "the dirty work" taken care of by so many other "Countries" and "members of other religions" around the world.

    Someone once said (ok, maybe more than once) that "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but lately all terrorists are Muslims..."
    So what are they "the Muslims" doing to fix this problems. Seeing as they are all 'loving of peace and happiness', and butterflies and unicorns and whatnot.....
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do i have to be from Florida to join the Florida Family Association ? </div></div>

    Nah, you can be a nimrod right there, in your mum's basement. </div></div>

    Why don't you drop on by so i can BROADEN your Horizon.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    Actually, Mag, being called a Nimrod isn't much of an insult.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the Lord. Genesis 10:8-9
    </div></div>
    Besides, you know what's said about name calling.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To ignore assaults on the US Constitution just because one is prejudiced against the people whose Constitutional rights are being abused or who are being targeted and slandered by a religious hate group is no different than those who assault the US Constitution by seeking to dilute, restrict and remove the 2ndA because they don't like guns or gun owners...</div></div>

    Perhaps I did not read the article closely enough. How exactly did Lowe's violate the constitutional right to freedom of religion? </div></div>

    Lowe's didn't. I never said they did. In fact, in a later post, I stated I don't think Lowes did anything wrong.

    I view the Florida Family Association however as bigoted and anti-constitutional in that they are attacking Lowes for 'supporting' a religious group. They are in effect stating that Lowes should shun a group citizens of a particular religious faith they don't like. The FFA have effectly determined all Americans who are Muslims as criminals and traitors. That's against the principle of Freedom to Worship (at the very least).

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Which article or amendment guarantees the right to support from groups in disagreement with a specific religion? I'm interested in this one as I would like the American Muslim Council to support the John Hagee Ministries. </div></div>

    No idea what you're talking about.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do i have to be from Florida to join the Florida Family Association ? </div></div>

    Nah, you can be a nimrod right there, in your mum's basement. </div></div>

    Why don't you drop on by so i can BROADEN your Horizon. </div></div>

    Why don't you drop to your knees so I can BROADEN your mind...
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    The top of hardware chains may be a bunch of progressive executives, but the customer base is very traditional.

    It turns out that any group of people that can operate a screwdriver, are also a very traditional group, statistically.

    Lowe's was in trouble years ago with the customers over the anti gun Lowe's website.

    Something similar happened with the Dixie Chicks.

    Before you help change society, better check with your customers.

     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To ignore assaults on the US Constitution just because one is prejudiced against the people whose Constitutional rights are being abused or who are being targeted and slandered by a religious hate group is no different than those who assault the US Constitution by seeking to dilute, restrict and remove the 2ndA because they don't like guns or gun owners...</div></div>

    Perhaps I did not read the article closely enough. How exactly did Lowe's violate the constitutional right to freedom of religion? </div></div>

    Lowe's didn't. I never said they did. In fact, in a later post, I stated I don't think Lowes did anything wrong.

    I view the Florida Family Association however as bigoted and anti-constitutional in that they are attacking Lowes for 'supporting' a religious group. They are in effect stating that Lowes should shun a group citizens of a particular religious faith they don't like. The FFA have effectly determined all Americans who are Muslims as criminals and traitors. That's against the principle of Freedom to Worship (at the very least).

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Which article or amendment guarantees the right to support from groups in disagreement with a specific religion? I'm interested in this one as I would like the American Muslim Council to support the John Hagee Ministries. </div></div>

    No idea what you're talking about. </div></div>

    Did I somehow take the following out of context (man, that sounded like a politician's spokesperson)?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To ignore assaults on the US Constitution just because one is prejudiced against the people whose Constitutional rights are being abused or who are being targeted and slandered by a religious hate group is no different than those who assault the US Constitution by seeking to dilute, restrict and remove the 2ndA because they don't like guns or gun owners...</div></div>

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The FFA have effectly determined all Americans who are Muslims as criminals and traitors. That's against the principle of Freedom to Worship (at the very least).</div></div>

    But in no way violates anyone's constitutionally protected rights. The FFA, however misguided they may be, can make any pronouncement they choose; the first amendment still applies to Christian religious groups. As far as I can determine, all they are guilty of is asking Lowe's to not sponsor a certain program. That's quite common and is not limited to religious groups.

    Perhaps Lowe's pulled advertising dollars because they believe we're a nation founded on Christian principles, not Islamic fundamentalism. Who cares? Anyone can complain about anything, but the biggest outcry should be from the constituents of the moron wasting tax dollars on something that is absolutely none of his (political) business.
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    Florida Family Association is not a hate group, just a traditional values religious organization.

    The first amendment of the constitution protects several god given rights among which is the protection from governmental persecution for expressing unwelcome views.

    I simply won't violate LowLight's rules by expressing my opinion about the show in question as my own family history could inform. The reason, my right to free speech protects me from government censorship, not that of the owner of this site nor the consequences of the marketplace.

    A little free and loose with the epithets there EventHorizon! Bad day on the freeway?
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    I'm all for equality, to a point.

    So far, the muslim community has let their more extreme/aggressive bobble-heads do the talking for them.

    I will not stand for *special rights* given to a religious group, because they to bitch and moan about needing it.


    Take a DAMN hard look at the UK. They played the roll over/ Politically correctness card, and ended up with a fairly fucked societal problem because of it. Radical Islam has preyed upon acceptance of open-armed societies.
    They've bitched that they haven't gotten the same treatment as everyone, while simultaneously hedged their religion for political gains.

    Hell, look at the UK papers. Cases of "Honor Killings" of wives have gone up, and the punishment has become defunct because its claimed as part of a religious practice. Bullshit, if I was a cop in the UK, and rolled up on the scene to some arrogant prick who murdered his wife under the pretense of "honor killing" and then demanded special treatment, I'd pull a Gaddafi and jam a knife in his ass.

    Either way, there may be a bigger problem lurking in the shadows, and we wont stumble upon it until too late (much like everything else in politics)
     
    Re: More Bullshit

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyway, you're just trying to bait me, and to be frank, your tactics are as uninteresting as they are clumsy.</div></div>

    Well, after seeing your pitiful attempt at name calling I didn't want to set the bar too high. Anyway, you continue to respond, so it worked.

    We're both entitled to back which ever side we choose and think the other is wrong. My wife thinks I'm intolerant of other people's opinions, but what does she know?