Mossberg or Savage for 224 Valkyrie?

[RALA]

Everybody has got to start someplace. Modern metallurgy and CNC machining gives us out of the box performance that needed a trip to the smith 10 years ago. It will be a while before you can outperform either gun.
Like you I was attracted to the 224 Valkyrie. Put the Savage and MVP on back-order. MVP came in first. No disappointment there. Decent action, chassis, barrel and trigger. My experience with other Savage rifles, tells me I would have had to drop it into a chassis pretty quickly.

The advice to start with a quality 22 is spot on. Shooting a 22 well at 150-200 yards will teach you everything you need to remember about trigger control, NPA, follow-thru. Plus it's a great place to start the daughters.

I think you would get a much higher bang for your $ by investing in the best you can afford in reloading gear. The tolerances needed for long range shooting are not possible in run of the mill $30 dies or all in one kits. Read Glen Zidekers book. Re-read it.

It's your journey, buy what you want and enjoy the ride

 

[SilencedShooter11B]

Big question, can you even find an MVP LR in stock? Not the black RPR looking abortion but the green stocked semi normal rifle looking version

I had an MVP Varmint in 223. 24” 1:9 barrel. Besides the bolt that pretty loose when it was unlocked, that rifle would print anything below 69gr extremely well. 52gr SMKs and RE10x was an easy combo

I gave it to my dad because he liked it a lot, low recoiling and he could teach my brothers on it

I shoot 224V in an AR15 and sort of wanted to try an MVP LR just to see if it was remotely similar to the 223 Varmint version of the MVP series but I’ve never seen one in stock, anywhere, other than 6.5CM/308. Even if I sold it 500 rounds later, I know what I’d be getting into in terms of investment etc. Not trying to build a custom action bolt gun; I’ve got plans for that going a different route

 

[308pirate]

Everyone casting shade on Remington/Savages, like damn, how did anyone ever hit anything before the actions we have available today? I would hate to see how you all build cars if starting with factory $#!+ is so far below you.

You asked for advice and now want to argue because the answers you got didn't validate your preconceived notions.

Just do whatever you want and stop being an askhole.

And if I wanted to build a car I'd start with the oldest junked out but straight BMW I could find. Not some deeetroit piece of shit.

 

[DavidBoren]

Thank you, RALA. I will look into that book.

SilencedShooter11B, no. I cannot find the 224V MVP LR, anywhere. Only the hideous Precision model. Even the 224V Prairie Hunter isn't exactly abundant. But I am not buying it today, so I was willing to wait for the MVP LR, if it had won the popular vote.

308pirate, I didn't mean to be an askhole. It just peeves me to no end when the question is specific to certain options, and people reply with irrelevant, unlisted BS. It bugs me when I see it happen to other people, too. Like cool story, bro, STFU, that's not what he asked. When the options are red and blue, saying that they should choose green is not freaking helpful. It doesn't matter if you like green, or even if green is the most optimal choice... they asked red or blue.

And, good choice of platform to build a car on... lots of room to grow, even just using higher end factory parts from other models... but the suspension is solid, and the body can be made quite rigid. I prefer imports from the island, not the Fatherland, but same concept... something relatively small and light with a suspension that can cut corners and hug the road. These days it doesn't matter if it's an old M3 or 300Z, as long as it has an LSx in it, it will kill tires.

 

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

I don't know jack about .224 Valkyrie. I also don't "compete" except against mice elf so my opinion is probably dog shit. I got all the same advice 4 years ago but purchased a Savage 10 FCP- SR in 6.5 CM and shot it as out-of box with a $200 Vortex Crossfire II scope. Shot sub MOA right-out-da-box.




Then as I went I added all kinds of things and removed/sold the stuff I didn't want like the original Accustock and stuff. The Savage POS has never failed to eject and never had a single malfunction. Kept shooting better and better as I gained some degree of experience and kept upgrading (against all Hide advice) until I got here :View attachment 7618300

Still I got nothing but grief telling me I'd *never* recover the $ I had invested but yet at the private club I shoot at I still have people (who compete) offering to buy this factory gun for more than I have paid to build it....they shoot it and it performs. I'm a newbie but building a precision rifle on a Savage barreled action is Childs play with the stuff available. I wonder if they suck so bad why so many top end after market specialists make chassis that fit these abominations if *no one* shoots them or wants them?



If the OP wants to build a gun on a Savage action I'd highly suggest he do that. If he wants to maximize his investment (it's a fucking gun) or "compete" he might want to get more involved or spend a lot of money (he'll not get back) with a custom build. If he just enjoys shooting and wants to build a real shooter in his chosen caliber he can build a <0.7 MOA gun for less than $2K if he chooses a Savage off-the-shelf rifle and is judicious. Mine rocks and despite multiple options to buy it ( for more than I have invested) I intend to shoot the barrel out and then upgrade.

I can't outshoot this piece. If I was made of money are seriously invested in competing I'd go for custom. But for now my Savage FrankenGun makes all the others at the range look like schlock in the hands of a newbie and even performs as well (and better) as some guns costing serious money. If yer playing a game buy a custom...if you just want to shoot precision then buy the Savage and trick it out and enjoy - the newer stuff does not suffer from the age old (and tired) problems of extration and ejection and if they do?

The solution is like $20 worth of springs and commonly available upgrades. Or spend $thousands on a custom. But don't throw the Savages out for shit that happened 20 years ago.

VooDoo

Bow the the shame culture gods, you SOB!!! You shoot a Savage because you're stupid!

 

[10X Rifles]

Defiance Tenacity action! And don't look back.

 

[fdkay]

Thank you, RALA. I will look into that book.

SilencedShooter11B, no. I cannot find the 224V MVP LR, anywhere. Only the hideous Precision model. Even the 224V Prairie Hunter isn't exactly abundant. But I am not buying it today, so I was willing to wait for the MVP LR, if it had won the popular vote.

308pirate, I didn't mean to be an askhole. It just peeves me to no end when the question is specific to certain options, and people reply with irrelevant, unlisted BS. It bugs me when I see it happen to other people, too. Like cool story, bro, STFU, that's not what he asked. When the options are red and blue, saying that they should choose green is not freaking helpful. It doesn't matter if you like green, or even if green is the most optimal choice... they asked red or blue.

And, good choice of platform to build a car on... lots of room to grow, even just using higher end factory parts from other models... but the suspension is solid, and the body can be made quite rigid. I prefer imports from the island, not the Fatherland, but same concept... something relatively small and light with a suspension that can cut corners and hug the road. These days it doesn't matter if it's an old M3 or 300Z, as long as it has an LSx in it, it will kill tires.

Since you're going to end up with this kind of coin invested, might as well start here.

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[Mario1961]

Looking at pulling the trigger on buying a rifle to get me back into reloading/shooting, and I think I have decided on grabbing a 224 Valkyrie bolt rifle for this purpose. This isn't really a discussion on the merits or drawbacks of the chosen cartridge, rather simply the rifle that will be shooting it.

The Mossberg MVP LR is built off of their 762 action... which is awesome, because I find the little flappy thing used on their 556 actions is suspect, at best. It also allows for a larger ejection port and longer magazines. Speaking of magazines, it uses Pmags, and high quality magazines are always welcome. The MVP LR has a decent stock from the start, with an adjustable comb height and low angle grip. It also has a 20" fluted barrel, which is nice.

The Savage has a 22" sporter barrel, and their modular AccuFit stock, AccuTrigger, and whatever magazines they use.

Both/either will be sent to a decent gunsmith to have the action trued, bedded into whatever stock it comes with, and the factory barrel chambered with a JGS reamer and crowned.

So, knowing that it will be massaged by a competent gunsmith either way, which of the two rifles would you recommend?

I say go for either one and have fun. I heard that Savage was crap but I bought a Savage Ultralight 110 in 6.5 PRC. All I did to change it from a stock out of the box Rifle was add an area 419 brake on it. Its a tack driver and shoots well under sub moa. A friend of mine has a budget Mossberg

Looking at pulling the trigger on buying a rifle to get me back into reloading/shooting, and I think I have decided on grabbing a 224 Valkyrie bolt rifle for this purpose. This isn't really a discussion on the merits or drawbacks of the chosen cartridge, rather simply the rifle that will be shooting it.

The Mossberg MVP LR is built off of their 762 action... which is awesome, because I find the little flappy thing used on their 556 actions is suspect, at best. It also allows for a larger ejection port and longer magazines. Speaking of magazines, it uses Pmags, and high quality magazines are always welcome. The MVP LR has a decent stock from the start, with an adjustable comb height and low angle grip. It also has a 20" fluted barrel, which is nice.

The Savage has a 22" sporter barrel, and their modular AccuFit stock, AccuTrigger, and whatever magazines they use.

Both/either will be sent to a decent gunsmith to have the action trued, bedded into whatever stock it comes with, and the factory barrel chambered with a JGS reamer and crowned.

So, knowing that it will be massaged by a competent gunsmith either way, which of the two rifles would you recommend?

I say go for it and have fun . I heard that both Mossberg and Savage are crap rifles but I have found examples of both brands the shoot amazingly well . I have a Savage Ultralight in 6.5 PRC. Its a tack driver with zero malfunctions and the action is smooth with no failures to feed. I put a Area 419 brake on it. No other modifications .Shooting half moa with Hornady ELD match is no problem. A friend of mine has a Mossberg Patriot. A budget rifle that can be bought for under $400 in 6.5 Creedmoor. It consistently shoots Sub Moa. I also am interested in .224 Valkyrie and purchased the MVP. I haven’t received it yet because its being shipped to my FFL but will see what it does when I finally get it to the range. I considered the Savage Prairie but couldn’t find one for sale anywhere and I like that the MVP takes AR mags . I did purchase a Silencerco muzzle brake for it and that will be all I will do to it. Anyway Good luck with whatever you decide yo do!

 

[Pizzaman1]

Looking at pulling the trigger on buying a rifle to get me back into reloading/shooting, and I think I have decided on grabbing a 224 Valkyrie bolt rifle for this purpose. This isn't really a discussion on the merits or drawbacks of the chosen cartridge, rather simply the rifle that will be shooting it.

The Mossberg MVP LR is built off of their 762 action... which is awesome, because I find the little flappy thing used on their 556 actions is suspect, at best. It also allows for a larger ejection port and longer magazines. Speaking of magazines, it uses Pmags, and high quality magazines are always welcome. The MVP LR has a decent stock from the start, with an adjustable comb height and low angle grip. It also has a 20" fluted barrel, which is nice.

The Savage has a 22" sporter barrel, and their modular AccuFit stock, AccuTrigger, and whatever magazines they use.

Both/either will be sent to a decent gunsmith to have the action trued, bedded into whatever stock it comes with, and the factory barrel chambered with a JGS reamer and crowned.

So, knowing that it will be massaged by a competent gunsmith either way, which of the two rifles would you recommend?

David- so sorry it took so long to reply-and at this point possibly useless. I own a Mossberg MVP Predator in .224 Valkyrie. Pay no attention to these naysayers. I am getting sub-moa performance from mine using a 77gr. Sierra TMK and 24.8 gr. of Varget Seated to 1,791"BTO

 

[Mario1961]

Looking at pulling the trigger on buying a rifle to get me back into reloading/shooting, and I think I have decided on grabbing a 224 Valkyrie bolt rifle for this purpose. This isn't really a discussion on the merits or drawbacks of the chosen cartridge, rather simply the rifle that will be shooting it.

The Mossberg MVP LR is built off of their 762 action... which is awesome, because I find the little flappy thing used on their 556 actions is suspect, at best. It also allows for a larger ejection port and longer magazines. Speaking of magazines, it uses Pmags, and high quality magazines are always welcome. The MVP LR has a decent stock from the start, with an adjustable comb height and low angle grip. It also has a 20" fluted barrel, which is nice.

The Savage has a 22" sporter barrel, and their modular AccuFit stock, AccuTrigger, and whatever magazines they use.

Both/either will be sent to a decent gunsmith to have the action trued, bedded into whatever stock it comes with, and the factory barrel chambered with a JGS reamer and crowned.

So, knowing that it will be massaged by a competent gunsmith either way, which of the two rifles would you recommend?

I have the Mossberg. Took a chance after looking at it on a Shot Show review. Mine shoots sub Moa groups with factory and even tighter groups with hand loads. I loaded 77gr Nosler and the results have been impressive. This is all right out of the box. No work done. My action is smooth and have not had a single problem.

 

[Mario1961]

David- so sorry it took so long to reply-and at this point possibly useless. I own a Mossberg MVP Predator in .224 Valkyrie. Pay no attention to these naysayers. I am getting sub-moa performance from mine using a 77gr. Sierra TMK and 24.8 gr. of Varget Seated to 1,791"BTO

Same here. Loading Nosler Custom 77 gr with awesome groups!

 

[Mario1961]

I put an area 419 brake on my Ultralight and had sub moa groups wirh my ultra light as well. Finding ammo is hard though. Tight chamber on mine , it will not chamber some ADG brass I got from Gunwerks even after I ran them through a small base die. But the brass wouldn’t chamber in my sons Bergara either. Still trying to see how to get this brass to work. But the Rifle is really nice!

 

[Pizzaman1]

Looking at pulling the trigger on buying a rifle to get me back into reloading/shooting, and I think I have decided on grabbing a 224 Valkyrie bolt rifle for this purpose. This isn't really a discussion on the merits or drawbacks of the chosen cartridge, rather simply the rifle that will be shooting it.

The Mossberg MVP LR is built off of their 762 action... which is awesome, because I find the little flappy thing used on their 556 actions is suspect, at best. It also allows for a larger ejection port and longer magazines. Speaking of magazines, it uses Pmags, and high quality magazines are always welcome. The MVP LR has a decent stock from the start, with an adjustable comb height and low angle grip. It also has a 20" fluted barrel, which is nice.

The Savage has a 22" sporter barrel, and their modular AccuFit stock, AccuTrigger, and whatever magazines they use.

Both/either will be sent to a decent gunsmith to have the action trued, bedded into whatever stock it comes with, and the factory barrel chambered with a JGS reamer and crowned.

So, knowing that it will be massaged by a competent gunsmith either way, which of the two rifles would you recommend?

Mine shoots sub-moa all day with my handloads of 77gr. Sierra TMK and 24.8gr of Varget!

 

[Lew Hodge]

Saying generally, please treat each other with respect; we're all gun guys and on the same page; save your angst for the "grabbers"; there are plenty of them to go around.

 

[b6graham]

Saying generally, please treat each other with respect; we're all gun guys and on the same page; save your angst for the "grabbers"; there are plenty of them to go around.

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