Sidearms & Scatterguns Mp5/Clone question
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No feeding issues with anything. I have tried and I just feed in out of the misc box so it gets fmj RN, Flat nose, and HP.
No feed issues but I don't run it for SD just to play with as a UTV pistol since it sits on the dash perfect with a can
I have a clone. The PTR II
No feeding issues with anything. I have tried and I just feed in out of the misc box so it gets fmj RN, Flat nose, and HP.
No feed issues but I don't run it for SD just to play with as a UTV pistol since it sits on the dash perfect with a can
I have a clone and it eats everything so far. I run it full time supressed with a SF Ryder 9 and currently I am running Hornady 147 gr XTP subs. Shoots great.
Its not a clone issue. Some MP5;s have issue running JHPS and some don't. Its a combination of magazine and mag well.
My PTR had a few failures with some flatnose subs while suppressed, the gun was filthy dirty at the time and I haven't had it back out to try it again since then. Ball has been flawless.
What brand? A few ptrs in have seen run flawless with German carriers and bolts but would be jamomatics with the ptr guts
Sp5 master race.....
How can one claim master race without a A2 or A3 stock....c'mon man.
F that noise...I am waiting for my form I'm slapping a acr stock on there...it ain't 1985 anymore
I have two of the Century AP5’s, they never had a problem feeding anything. Even coated lead reloads are no problem for these guns.
I originally went with the MRO also…..thought it was too big and now went with the trijicon RMR.
doc
You get FA itch yet? I was looking into SD conversions until I looked at how much this trigger packs are going for now.
If you can get in your state a FA Binary Trigger for the MP5 is the shit. Awesome little 2 round burst. Also dramatically improves trigger quality.
Yeah, no....
Doc
Yea, that's what turned me off. Like all FA transferable the time to get into that was years ago. Best choice now is dealer samples but even those are pricy.
Its still cucked clipped and pinned and cant be converted. Zenith is more of an actual MP5 than the SP5 abominations.
No the time is now. Due to the fixed number of transferables...prices will continue to rise. 100K+ MP5s and 80K M16s will be here soon enough.
I just meant from a financial standpoint. Investment wise you are correct unless some sort of weird law gets put in place.
But I believe that the serialized part is the trigger pack. Buddy of mine has a transferable HK trigger pack and it fits in all kinds of things. Mp5, 51k, 53k, etc. he has a bunch of different builds of each and just moves the trigger pack around.Yeah, no....
Doc
Honestly I’d rather have a transferable HK trigger pack than a m16 lower if I could only pick one
No more like 40-50K just for the Sear. Trigger pack is extra
Let's also be honest once you go that route then you'll have to get the SD conversion....one last ouchie.
No the point of the sear is being able to move from hosts... Including the HK53 and HK21/23.
It is my pretty strong understanding that it is the auto sear itself that is the NFA controlled item. It lives inside of the trigger pack. So, even though the trigger pack is commonly referred to (and maybe in practice) as the "registered" item, that is not really the case. As I understand, in the early to mid 80's, guys like S&H, Vollmer and Fleming saw the writing on the wall and furiously built as many (serialized) auto sears as fast as they could. Further, I seem to recall that those auto sears (were and are considered a registered item/machine gun) were selling as transferrables in the neighborhood of $250.00 each. The trigger packs, while quite functional, were a nightmare to try and install/remove the autosear repeatedly. You really only wanted to have to do it once. That is why you will see autosears live in one trigger pack and it sure is convenient as hell to be able to move the trigger pack (and it's associated auto sear) from various different HK platforms. Here's a pic of an HK autosear;
You'll notice the S/N engraved on the top of it. It is that which was registered and the $200.00 Tax Stamp paid and issued for. The trigger pack was/is just a vehicle by which to utilize the auto sear.
Here's a Rock Island auction listing for an "SEF" "trigger pack" (much more importantly, with auto sear), manufactured by S&H and realized a sale price of $34,500.00. Yes, that little piece of metal (with it's associated "free/NC" trigger pack).
There was an old joke going around in relation to pre-86 transferrable MP-5's. You could spend $35,000.00 for the auto sear (above pic) and the seller would throw in the gun and trigger pack for free.....Almost makes you want to faint. Had I been clarvoyant in the early 80's, I would have bought up every Fleming/Vollmer auto sear I could get my hands on. Oh well, that and a few '67 Z-28's.
www.rockislandauction.com
I do not claim to be an expert and my memory is shitty. So in terms of the above, I could be wrong, YMMV. There are probably guys here that are much better versed in the details than I.
You'll notice the S/N engraved on the top of it. It is that which was registered and the $200.00 Tax Stamp paid and issued for. The trigger pack was/is just a vehicle by which to utilize the auto sear.
Here's a Rock Island auction listing for an "SEF" "trigger pack" (much more importantly, with auto sear), manufactured by S&H and realized a sale price of $34,500.00. Yes, that little piece of metal (with it's associated "free/NC" trigger pack).
There was an old joke going around in relation to pre-86 transferrable MP-5's. You could spend $35,000.00 for the auto sear (above pic) and the seller would throw in the gun and trigger pack for free.....Almost makes you want to faint. Had I been clarvoyant in the early 80's, I would have bought up every Fleming/Vollmer auto sear I could get my hands on. Oh well, that and a few '67 Z-28's.
Registered Full Transferrable S&H HK Auto Sear, Class III/NFA | Rock Island Auction
S&H Heckler & Koch Registered Class III/NFA Fully Transferrable Auto Sear with H&K Trigger PackNumbered 1486 on the sear itself, with the underside of the pack engraved "S*H ARMS/OWASSO/OK 1486". The pack is currently installed in a "S/E/F" marked trigger housing.
I do not claim to be an expert and my memory is shitty. So in terms of the above, I could be wrong, YMMV. There are probably guys here that are much better versed in the details than I.
It is my pretty strong understanding that it is the auto sear itself that is the NFA controlled item. It lives inside of the trigger pack. So, even though the trigger pack is commonly referred to (and maybe in practice) as the "registered" item, that is not really the case. As I understand, in the early to mid 80's, guys like S&H, Vollmer and Fleming saw the writing on the wall and furiously built as many (serialized) auto sears as fast as they could. Further, I seem to recall that those auto sears (were and are considered a registered item/machine gun) were selling as transferrables in the neighborhood of $250.00 each. The trigger packs, while quite functional, were a nightmare to try and install/remove the autosear repeatedly. You really only wanted to have to do it once. That is why you will see autosears live in one trigger pack and it sure is convenient as hell to be able to move the trigger pack (and it's associated auto sear) from various different HK platforms. Here's a pic of an HK autosear;
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You'll notice the S/N engraved on the top of it. It is that which was registered and the $200.00 Tax Stamp paid and issued for. The trigger pack was/is just a vehicle by which to utilize the auto sear.
Here's a Rock Island auction listing for an "SEF" "trigger pack" (much more importantly, with auto sear), manufactured by S&H and realized a sale price of $34,500.00. Yes, that little piece of metal.
There was an old joke going around in relation to pre-86 transferrable MP-5's. You could spend $35,000.00 for the auto sear (above pic) and the seller would throw in the gun and trigger pack for free.....Almost makes you want to faint. Had I been clarvoyant in the early 80's, I would have bought up every Fleming/Vollmer auto sear I could get my hands on. Oh well, that and a few '67 Z-28's.
Registered Full Transferrable S&H HK Auto Sear, Class III/NFA | Rock Island Auction
S&H Heckler & Koch Registered Class III/NFA Fully Transferrable Auto Sear with H&K Trigger PackNumbered 1486 on the sear itself, with the underside of the pack engraved "S*H ARMS/OWASSO/OK 1486". The pack is currently installed in a "S/E/F" marked trigger housing.
I do not claim to be an expert and my memory is shitty. So in terms of the above, I could be wrong, YMMV. There are probably guys here that are much better versed in the details than I.
Why 67 and not a 69 Z28, just curious?
A buddy had one. In red. It was beautiful. I was going to buy it, just couldn't get more than 90% of the money together at any one time.
Ah okay. I've always been partial to the 69, navy blue with the white stripe. Can't imagine what they go for now. When I was looking a good condition one was 25k but that was a long time ago.
I could be a dinosaur, but I'll still take my Ace Folder over that.
That 53 in video was nice!
Not my gun, but I just got filed three F1s at the beginning of November and got back two around Thanksgiving.
The key to happiness with Form 1s is to get several of them going, and then entertain yourself with each one as it's approved.
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