Rifle Scopes MRAD Help..

[Mattrmvpd]

Hey guys...

I moved to a MRAD scope and I am trying to make this easy for me.

1 click = .1MRAD

If I am zero at 100 and 200 yaards is .6 MRAD... is that 6 clicks ???

my 1000 yard dope is 10.6 mrad.....

I am having a brain fart.... please answer both..

SCOPE IN QUESTION: VORTEX HS 5 x 15 x 44 (MIDWAY)

Thanks in advance...

Matt

 

[Jon Lester]

Re: MRAD Help..

If your adj are .1 then 6 clicks is .6. I am not familiar with that exact scope but I am guessing that it has 10 .1 values between each whole number in the dial. The whole numbers are Mills and the 10 graduations between each represent .1. Sooo to 1k you would dial to 10 and then .6 more or 6 graduations between 10 and 11. That would represent 10.6 mills.

Confused more or Less?

 

[Mattrmvpd]

Re: MRAD Help..

Jon,

There are 5 WHOLE numbers with 5 clicks inbetween each.

I am getting there... I think.

Thanks,
Matt

 

[Mattrmvpd]

Re: MRAD Help..

Sooo with mine above...

I would do 2 FULL revelutions and then .6 ???

Thanks
Matt

 

[Jon Lester]

Re: MRAD Help..

Yeah, but if it has 5 clicks between whole numbers, that would be a .2 value per click, not .1 something doesn't seem right to me but I am not familiar with that scope.

 

[CASDB]

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Side question, and I apologize for the hijack, but what's the proper way to write these adjustments? Full Rotations/Full Mils/Partial Mils?

To clarify, my scope is 1/4 MOA per click, 12 MOA per rotation. Lets say I have to go up 14 1/2 MOA. Do you just write 14 1/2 MOA, or is there a proper way to write 1 full rotation, 2 full MOA then 2 clicks?

 

[dk-1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CASDB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Side question, and I apologize for the hijack, but what's the proper way to write these adjustments? Full Rotations/Full Mils/Partial Mils? </div></div>

if your dope to 650 yards is 4.1 mils, then it is 4 mils + 1 click, or 41 clicks, or just get rid of the "clicks" mentality all together and call it what it is, 4.1 mils.... It sounds like you and the OP are over thinking this, which is holding you back from really grasping the whole mil/mil concept and it's advantages.

 

[dk-1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm128</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jon,

There are 5 WHOLE numbers with 5 clicks inbetween each.

I am getting there... I think.

Thanks,
Matt </div></div>

You might want to confirm this, I checked the specs on that scope and it says they have 0.1 MRAd adjustments (actually states 1/10 mil) and the picture of the knobs support this, so it should be 10 "clicks" from 1 to 2 mils....

 

[Mattrmvpd]

Re: MRAD Help..

Crap.. Yes it is 10 clicks to 1 number. Sorry about that.

Matt

 

[Mattrmvpd]

Re: MRAD Help..

Ok..... It makes sence now. Have to get away from the click idea and look at it terms of .1 and 10 equals one full mrad.

I think i got it... My brain is moving now after some midnight coffee.

Thanks guys

Matt

 

[CASDB]

Re: MRAD Help..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dk-1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CASDB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Side question, and I apologize for the hijack, but what's the proper way to write these adjustments? Full Rotations/Full Mils/Partial Mils? </div></div>

if your dope to 650 yards is 4.1 mils, then it is 4 mils + 1 click, or 41 clicks, or just get rid of the "clicks" mentality all together and call it what it is, 4.1 mils.... It sounds like you and the OP are over thinking this, which is holding you back from really grasping the whole mil/mil concept and it's advantages. </div></div>

I'm not sticking on the minutia with this, just wondering if there's a "proper" way of annotation.

 

[buffybuster]

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Stop thinking in terms of "clicks".

You have a Milradian based scope. The adjustment knob will have ten hashmarks for each Milradian. Each hashmark will be 0.1 Milradian. If you scope is SFP, then adjust the magnification to where the reticle is calibrated accurately. Then sight your target and read from the reticle how much you need to correct. You should mentally make that in one tenth increments; then dial that correction.



Your knobs might be 5mils per revolution or something different. If doesn't matter. Once you get your rifle and load zeroed, then RESET the knobs to ZERO. From that point on, everything (DOPE, Wind, Lead) should be called in Mils or tenths of Mils from that ZERO point. Smooth sailing....

 

[427Cobra]

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Don't count clicks, if you need 10.6, turn the elevation knob up 10.6 Mils from your 100 yard zero(I assuming), but if you feel the need to count its 106 clicks, but please don't do that.

 

[dk-1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CASDB</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dk-1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CASDB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Side question, and I apologize for the hijack, but what's the proper way to write these adjustments? Full Rotations/Full Mils/Partial Mils? </div></div>

if your dope to 650 yards is 4.1 mils, then it is 4 mils + 1 click, or 41 clicks, or just get rid of the "clicks" mentality all together and call it what it is, 4.1 mils.... It sounds like you and the OP are over thinking this, which is holding you back from really grasping the whole mil/mil concept and it's advantages. </div></div>

I'm not sticking on the minutia with this, just wondering if there's a "proper" way of annotation. </div></div>

I wasn't intending to be degrading or offensive in any way and I appologize if it came off that way. I was simply trying to state that it is an easy sysytem that some people, after living with mil based reticles and moa or iphy adjustments, have a difficult time understanding.... "Oh, it really is thaty simple" is what one would say to himself after fully understanding it.

 

[CASDB]

Re: MRAD Help..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dk-1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CASDB</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dk-1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CASDB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Side question, and I apologize for the hijack, but what's the proper way to write these adjustments? Full Rotations/Full Mils/Partial Mils? </div></div>

if your dope to 650 yards is 4.1 mils, then it is 4 mils + 1 click, or 41 clicks, or just get rid of the "clicks" mentality all together and call it what it is, 4.1 mils.... It sounds like you and the OP are over thinking this, which is holding you back from really grasping the whole mil/mil concept and it's advantages. </div></div>

I'm not sticking on the minutia with this, just wondering if there's a "proper" way of annotation. </div></div>

I wasn't intending to be degrading or offensive in any way and I appologize if it came off that way. I was simply trying to state that it is an easy sysytem that some people, after living with mil based reticles and moa or iphy adjustments, have a difficult time understanding.... "Oh, it really is thaty simple" is what one would say to himself after fully understanding it. </div></div>

No worries at all. My question was moreso based on, quite literally, "How do I write this down?" I was wondering if there was some universally accepted way (that I wasn't aware of) of annotating, say in a log book, the amount of adjustment made for hold overs, etc. (like how you write major/minor readings from a MG tripod) or if it was just as simple as writing the MOA/mils you adjusted. That's where my..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To clarify, my scope is 1/4 MOA per click, 12 MOA per rotation. Lets say I have to go up 14 1/2 MOA. Do you just write 14 1/2 MOA, or is there a proper way to write 1 full rotation, 2 full MOA then 2 clicks?</div></div>
..came from. Either way, you answered my question. (assuming you do, in fact, just write the amount of MOA/mils adjusted and call it a day)

 

[dk-1]

Re: MRAD Help..

You are correct, it would be documented as 4.1 mils or 6.25 moa (or 6 1/4 moa).

 

[3-0-hate]

Re: MRAD Help..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stop thinking in terms of "clicks".

You have a Milradian based scope. The adjustment knob will have ten hashmarks for each Milradian. Each hashmark will be 0.1 Milradian. If you scope is SFP, then adjust the magnification to where the reticle is calibrated accurately. Then sight your target and read from the reticle how much you need to correct. You should mentally make that in one tenth increments; then dial that correction.



Your knobs might be 5mils per revolution or something different. If doesn't matter. Once you get your rifle and load zeroed, then RESET the knobs to ZERO. From that point on, everything (DOPE, Wind, Lead) should be called in Mils or tenths of Mils from that ZERO point. Smooth sailing.... </div></div>

+1

When I stopped thinking about things in "clicks" and began thinking about everything in terms of "mils", I actually became a much faster shooter in terms of dialing for elevation or wind. Reason being is because I stopped trying to count the clicks and just dialed the turret to where it needed to be knowing what the total adjustment required in full values.

I do however still dial in "clicks" when shooting Hi-Power matches with a service rifle. Its just easier when dealing with Service Rifle style iron sights for me at that point.