Murders in Mexico
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I sure as heck would not think of driving in Northern Mexico with my wife and children. No bueno!
I'm thinking drone strike on drug HVT about once a week, fuck Mexico.
could be wrong place wrong time, but the mormons have been fighting the cartels for years.
100 mile buffer south of our southern border. No warnings, no bullshit speeches at the UN, just roll through that place like death and put up a little fence at the 100 mile line. Fancy wall wouldn't be needed.
I’ve heard about this and I am sorry for the family and those that lost loved ones. However, they were living in a relatively violent section of Mexico and bouncing back and forth between there and the states. Probably not a good idea.
If I had it my way, I’d simply invade Mexico, make their people submit, take over all of their land and simply make it part of the US. Gives us access to their resources, what there is and ends this whole immigration problem. We would also have a much smaller border to patrol/control. And while I was there I’d completely decimate any cartel crap and be done with them. The problem is, good men are few and far in between these days and as a result evil is winning. The almighty dollar is winning out big time. The US doesn’t want to rid themselves of this problem because if we did we could literally do it overnight. It’s too much of a cash cow for the US. Don’t kid yourselves and think the US doesnt make money off of this shit. I guess I would argue that they could make more money doing what I just stated and doing the right thing, but they won’t ever take the chance.
If I had it my way, I’d simply invade Mexico, make their people submit, take over all of their land and simply make it part of the US. Gives us access to their resources, what there is and ends this whole immigration problem. We would also have a much smaller border to patrol/control. And while I was there I’d completely decimate any cartel crap and be done with them. The problem is, good men are few and far in between these days and as a result evil is winning. The almighty dollar is winning out big time. The US doesn’t want to rid themselves of this problem because if we did we could literally do it overnight. It’s too much of a cash cow for the US. Don’t kid yourselves and think the US doesnt make money off of this shit. I guess I would argue that they could make more money doing what I just stated and doing the right thing, but they won’t ever take the chance.
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Search the amount of money laundering in the Banking corps south of the border and Norte'...
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My sentiment exactly. So they're attacking caravans are they? Shouldn't be too hard to lure them out then.
Aw hell naw...
This is time for a major mop-up...
This is almost like what the Comancheros did to Anglo wagon trains and farms during the 1850's to the 1870's. And how did the Texas Rangers and the US Cavalry respond to these atrocities? I'll give you one guess...
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MEXICO CITY (AP) - Drug cartel gunmen ambushed three SUVs along a dirt road, slaughtering at least six children and three women - all of them U.S. citizens living in northern Mexico - in a grisly attack that left one vehicle a burned-out, bullet-riddled hulk, authorities said Tuesday.
The dead included 8-month-old twins. Eight children were found alive after escaping from the vehicles and hiding in the brush, but at least five had bullet wounds or other injuries and were taken to Phoenix for treatment.
The attackers apparently killed one woman, Christina Langford Johnson, after she jumped out of her vehicle and waved her hands to show she wasn't a threat, according to an account published by family members and corroborated by prosecutors and a relative in a telephone interview.
Around the ambush scene, which stretched for miles, investigators found over 200 shell casings, mostly from assault rifles.
The attack took place Monday in a remote, mountainous area in northern Mexico where the Sinaloa cartel has been engaged in a turf war. The victims had set out to see relatives in Mexico; one woman was headed to the airport in Phoenix to meet her husband.
Mexican Security Secretary Alfonso Durazo said the gunmen may have mistaken the group's large SUVs for those of rival gangs.
"There's apparently a war right now," a relative of the dead who did not want his name used for fear of reprisals said wearily. "It's been going on for too long."
While a drug-related violence has been raging for years in Mexico, cartel gunmen have become increasingly unconcerned about killing children as collateral damage. In August in Chihuahua state, gunmen fired 123 bullets at a man but also killed three girls, ages 4, 13 and 14.
The victims in Monday's ambush lived in neighboring Sonora state, about 70 miles (110 kilometers) south of Douglas, Arizona, in the hamlet of La Mora, which was founded decades ago by an offshoot of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
A number of such American farming communities are clustered around the Chihuahua-Sonora border. Many members were born in Mexico and thus have dual citizenship. While some of the splinter groups were once polygamous, many no longer are.
All of the victims were apparently related to the extended LeBaron family in Chihuahua, whose members have run afoul of the drug traffickers over the years. Benjamin LeBaron, an anti-crime activist who founded neighborhood patrols against cartels, was killed in 2009.
In a tweet, President Donald Trump immediately offered to help Mexico "wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth." But Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador rejected that approach, saying his predecessors waged war, "and it didn't work."
State prosecutors said Johnson, the woman who waved her arms, was found 15 yards (meters) away from her Suburban van, shot to death. Her 7-month-old daughter, Faith Marie Johnson, was discovered uninjured in her car seat.
Kendra Miller, a relative, wrote that the baby's car seat "seemed to be put on the floor, by her mother to try and protect her. ... She gave her life to try and save the rest."
A short distance away, Dawna Ray Langford, 43, lay dead in the front seat of another Suburban, along with the bullet-riddled bodies of her sons, ages 11 and 2.
Some of the children who escaped had grisly wounds. One had been shot in the face, another in the foot. One girl suffered gunshot wounds to her back and foot.
Cowering in the brush, one boy hid the other children and then walked back to La Mora to get help. Another girl, who was initially listed as missing, walked off in another direction, despite her gunshot wounds, to get help.
A group of male relatives set out to try to rescue the youngsters but turned back when they heard gunfire ahead.
The relative who did not want his name used said in an interview that when they finally made it to the scene where the ambush started - about 11 miles (18 kilometers) from where the two other mothers were killed - they found a burned-out, shot-up Chevy Tahoe.
Inside, they saw the charred remains of Rhonita Miller, 30, her 10-year-old daughter, a son, 12, and 8-month-old twins. They were "burnt to a crisp," the relative said.
The gunmen had riddled the vehicle with dozens of bullets and apparently hit the gas tank, causing it to explode. There was nothing the relatives could do but watch the still-smoldering vehicle.
"When we were there, the cartels from Sonora, there were probably 50 or 60 of them, armed to the teeth, about a mile on this side," said the relative.
Trump tweeted that a "wonderful family" got "caught between two vicious drug cartels."
He tweeted that the U.S. "stands ready, willing & able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively," adding, "The great new President of Mexico has made this a big issue, but the cartels have become so large and powerful that you sometimes need an army to defeat an army!”
But Mexico's president said: "The worst thing you can have is war."
It was the second failure in recent weeks for López Obrador's "hugs not bullets" anti-crime strategy. Two weeks ago, Mexican forces seized a son of imprisoned drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman but had to release him after cartel henchmen launched a furious counterattack in Culiacan, Sinaloa.
Prosecutors on Tuesday said a suspect was detained near Agua Prieta, but it was unclear whether the person had taken part in the ambush. The suspect had assault rifles and a .50-caliber sniper rifle and was holding two bound kidnap victims, authorities said.
The 2009 killing of Benjamin LeBaron marked a watershed in Mexico's 2006-12 drug war. Gunmen tortured him in front of his family, then killed him and his brother-in-law.
But the 2009 killings - which sparked a further crackdown on cartels - also showed how much worse things have become: No children were killed back then.
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This is time for a major mop-up...
This is almost like what the Comancheros did to Anglo wagon trains and farms during the 1850's to the 1870's. And how did the Texas Rangers and the US Cavalry respond to these atrocities? I'll give you one guess...
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MEXICO CITY (AP) - Drug cartel gunmen ambushed three SUVs along a dirt road, slaughtering at least six children and three women - all of them U.S. citizens living in northern Mexico - in a grisly attack that left one vehicle a burned-out, bullet-riddled hulk, authorities said Tuesday.
The dead included 8-month-old twins. Eight children were found alive after escaping from the vehicles and hiding in the brush, but at least five had bullet wounds or other injuries and were taken to Phoenix for treatment.
The attackers apparently killed one woman, Christina Langford Johnson, after she jumped out of her vehicle and waved her hands to show she wasn't a threat, according to an account published by family members and corroborated by prosecutors and a relative in a telephone interview.
Around the ambush scene, which stretched for miles, investigators found over 200 shell casings, mostly from assault rifles.
The attack took place Monday in a remote, mountainous area in northern Mexico where the Sinaloa cartel has been engaged in a turf war. The victims had set out to see relatives in Mexico; one woman was headed to the airport in Phoenix to meet her husband.
Mexican Security Secretary Alfonso Durazo said the gunmen may have mistaken the group's large SUVs for those of rival gangs.
"There's apparently a war right now," a relative of the dead who did not want his name used for fear of reprisals said wearily. "It's been going on for too long."
While a drug-related violence has been raging for years in Mexico, cartel gunmen have become increasingly unconcerned about killing children as collateral damage. In August in Chihuahua state, gunmen fired 123 bullets at a man but also killed three girls, ages 4, 13 and 14.
The victims in Monday's ambush lived in neighboring Sonora state, about 70 miles (110 kilometers) south of Douglas, Arizona, in the hamlet of La Mora, which was founded decades ago by an offshoot of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
A number of such American farming communities are clustered around the Chihuahua-Sonora border. Many members were born in Mexico and thus have dual citizenship. While some of the splinter groups were once polygamous, many no longer are.
All of the victims were apparently related to the extended LeBaron family in Chihuahua, whose members have run afoul of the drug traffickers over the years. Benjamin LeBaron, an anti-crime activist who founded neighborhood patrols against cartels, was killed in 2009.
In a tweet, President Donald Trump immediately offered to help Mexico "wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth." But Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador rejected that approach, saying his predecessors waged war, "and it didn't work."
State prosecutors said Johnson, the woman who waved her arms, was found 15 yards (meters) away from her Suburban van, shot to death. Her 7-month-old daughter, Faith Marie Johnson, was discovered uninjured in her car seat.
Kendra Miller, a relative, wrote that the baby's car seat "seemed to be put on the floor, by her mother to try and protect her. ... She gave her life to try and save the rest."
A short distance away, Dawna Ray Langford, 43, lay dead in the front seat of another Suburban, along with the bullet-riddled bodies of her sons, ages 11 and 2.
Some of the children who escaped had grisly wounds. One had been shot in the face, another in the foot. One girl suffered gunshot wounds to her back and foot.
Cowering in the brush, one boy hid the other children and then walked back to La Mora to get help. Another girl, who was initially listed as missing, walked off in another direction, despite her gunshot wounds, to get help.
A group of male relatives set out to try to rescue the youngsters but turned back when they heard gunfire ahead.
The relative who did not want his name used said in an interview that when they finally made it to the scene where the ambush started - about 11 miles (18 kilometers) from where the two other mothers were killed - they found a burned-out, shot-up Chevy Tahoe.
Inside, they saw the charred remains of Rhonita Miller, 30, her 10-year-old daughter, a son, 12, and 8-month-old twins. They were "burnt to a crisp," the relative said.
The gunmen had riddled the vehicle with dozens of bullets and apparently hit the gas tank, causing it to explode. There was nothing the relatives could do but watch the still-smoldering vehicle.
"When we were there, the cartels from Sonora, there were probably 50 or 60 of them, armed to the teeth, about a mile on this side," said the relative.
Trump tweeted that a "wonderful family" got "caught between two vicious drug cartels."
He tweeted that the U.S. "stands ready, willing & able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively," adding, "The great new President of Mexico has made this a big issue, but the cartels have become so large and powerful that you sometimes need an army to defeat an army!”
But Mexico's president said: "The worst thing you can have is war."
It was the second failure in recent weeks for López Obrador's "hugs not bullets" anti-crime strategy. Two weeks ago, Mexican forces seized a son of imprisoned drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman but had to release him after cartel henchmen launched a furious counterattack in Culiacan, Sinaloa.
Prosecutors on Tuesday said a suspect was detained near Agua Prieta, but it was unclear whether the person had taken part in the ambush. The suspect had assault rifles and a .50-caliber sniper rifle and was holding two bound kidnap victims, authorities said.
The 2009 killing of Benjamin LeBaron marked a watershed in Mexico's 2006-12 drug war. Gunmen tortured him in front of his family, then killed him and his brother-in-law.
But the 2009 killings - which sparked a further crackdown on cartels - also showed how much worse things have become: No children were killed back then.
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You don’t even have to make it to the border to become threatened by Mexican violence.
Our own government knows there is a real problem on US soil, but rather than fix it, they put up signs.
Be careful what you ask for.
With fighting the cartels, you run into a lot of the same problems that you do fighting people in Afghanistan, and we all know how awesome that's going.
Outside of the tribal mentality, which the seperate cartels sort of have, you'll be fighting a non uniformed enemy that would instantly become an insurgency against any FID operations for a country that doesn't really even want you there and will hamstring you at every turn.
The reason cartel 'members' exist in numbers are also roughly the same; shitty economy and no real career path outside of dead end agricultural stuff, being a poor farmer/goat herder/whatever and hope you don't die of dysentary, work the drug fields and randomly get shot for no reason or join the cartel/local flavor of the month Taliban by choice or force and at least get a chance at some cash and adventure.
With an indifferent at best foreign government we'd have the same ROE bullshit and would end up ineffectively doing anything well except creating more home grown cartel members to fight in an insurgency. That leads to yet another bogged down, protracted 'war' which will only net us the absolute worst thing possible - refugees.
Build the wall. Secure the border. Take away anything resembeling a benefit. Then go from there.
To Add: I could see some DA operations taking place if Mexico wants it or not. The amount of intel we have and could be gathered on this is probably obscene. I could see making a point that this shit has consequences.
With fighting the cartels, you run into a lot of the same problems that you do fighting people in Afghanistan, and we all know how awesome that's going.
Outside of the tribal mentality, which the seperate cartels sort of have, you'll be fighting a non uniformed enemy that would instantly become an insurgency against any FID operations for a country that doesn't really even want you there and will hamstring you at every turn.
The reason cartel 'members' exist in numbers are also roughly the same; shitty economy and no real career path outside of dead end agricultural stuff, being a poor farmer/goat herder/whatever and hope you don't die of dysentary, work the drug fields and randomly get shot for no reason or join the cartel/local flavor of the month Taliban by choice or force and at least get a chance at some cash and adventure.
With an indifferent at best foreign government we'd have the same ROE bullshit and would end up ineffectively doing anything well except creating more home grown cartel members to fight in an insurgency. That leads to yet another bogged down, protracted 'war' which will only net us the absolute worst thing possible - refugees.
Build the wall. Secure the border. Take away anything resembeling a benefit. Then go from there.
To Add: I could see some DA operations taking place if Mexico wants it or not. The amount of intel we have and could be gathered on this is probably obscene. I could see making a point that this shit has consequences.
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I think you misunderstand me in my thoughts earlier lol. If I was to have the US go and I had the power to do so, I’d say fuck you to anyone that told me I couldn’t and I’d mop the floor, gloves off, none of that stupid crap we are doing over in the ME. I’m talking we go in fully, gloves off, mop this shit up and claim it for our own. Anyone left can either become decent Americans and adapt to our way of life and live civilly or they can fuck off. I’d be one of the best people in charge as I’m not some murderous ruler like I sound to be, simply a big teddy bear until you piss me off then you wouldn’t want to know me lol. Same holds true for US vs Mexico. Frankly, I think the US has been generous far too long and it’s past time for us to stop. I could give a shit less what Germany or England or anyone else in the world thinks. Sure it would be messy at first but I’m giving the American Dream for anyone that stuck around and decided to assimilate and we all know that far better than what they currently have.
Chasing ragheads seems to take priority even tough cartels in Mexico probably beheaded more people than ISIS and AQ combined and are a threat right on the border .
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I only hope they can tie the guns to “Fast & Furious”. That would open a whole new can of worms.
Mexico: Go for the intestinal viruses... Stay because you got murdered.
Build the wall.
Kill anything that comes over it, under it or through it. What happens in Mexico, stays in Mexico.
Problem solved.
Sirhr
Build the wall.
Kill anything that comes over it, under it or through it. What happens in Mexico, stays in Mexico.
Problem solved.
Sirhr
I always thought, that during the Reagan days, we should of had some night missions and fire bombed the Cartels and their Cocoa plantations into non-existence. But our .gov was so corrupt, right along with the Mexican .gov (and their corrupt Mil.), that this "drug thing", could have been taken care of and stopped rather in short order. But what do I know? Mac
Shit. Give me 100 well trained guys and I’d have that place wrapped up in a few days. I don’t even need the heavy stuff.
Los Pepes...
Took apart Pablo Escobars organization in just a few months.
By taking the gloves off 100 percent.
Hard men doing nasty things... but Pablo ended up dead in a roof with a 7mm in his medulla!
Here lays the problem,we caused all this stuff to happen,think 1980's.
What happened?
Short version, we killed Pablo Escobar.
Long version, his death created a power vacuum.
Instead of having one or two narco states in Mexico, every state become one over the last 38 years.
Turn the land on the other side of our border into a melted sand attraction. Then move the fence to the narrow middle section of mexico, the parallel of Mazatlan looks good. Then move all our socialists, commies, and fascists to it.
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Um, that’s why I said we make it part of the US. We don’t leave, rather we colonize it. Or, we give it to commiefornia and take that beautiful state back! Haha.
Kanadastan has plenty of natural resources and beautiful landscape. After we deport the leftists up there, we could call it North Montana, or East Alaska.
So just roll 100mi deep and kill everyone there without warning? Jesus fucking Christ dude. That would literally make us worse than the fucking cartel and create a cluster fuck of shit, at every level, for our country. Invading a foreign country, slaughtering everyone with the 100mi buffer, then establishing a perimeter and no-go zone? Did you even read the ignorant shit that you posted?
All of this x 1,000.
It’s pretty apparent by some of the responses in here that the level of ignorance and sheer lack of understanding how shit works is off the charts. Some even advocating for the US to commit genocide and annex land. Fuckin blows my mind thinking that some of these people are allowed to vote and walk among us.
lol if we did what some here say “they would do if up to them” it would make what we dealt with/are still dealing with in the ME look like fucking amateur hour.
First...I hope they all die a horrible death
That out of the way
No one wanted this, the cartels are shitting a pickle. They know a american tourist on coke is one thing.
Drive by/children makes Americans angry and that means action. Don’t get all the moms (rep/dem) on the same path...
Mexican officials on the take care spooked because they know the hammer is coming.
This is not the wall, this is grandpa cell phone video with dead 6 month olds.
Trump/Obama etc. there will be action.
We may not know it as it’s happening but this will not go unpunished.
Can’t have moms in front of the Lincoln memorial at Christmas saying why isnt anyone in jail yet
That out of the way
No one wanted this, the cartels are shitting a pickle. They know a american tourist on coke is one thing.
Drive by/children makes Americans angry and that means action. Don’t get all the moms (rep/dem) on the same path...
Mexican officials on the take care spooked because they know the hammer is coming.
This is not the wall, this is grandpa cell phone video with dead 6 month olds.
Trump/Obama etc. there will be action.
We may not know it as it’s happening but this will not go unpunished.
Can’t have moms in front of the Lincoln memorial at Christmas saying why isnt anyone in jail yet
Yeah, can you imagine Syria or Afghanistan being next door. were relatively safe from ISIS 5,000 miles away.
The Cartel is already deep in the USA and an all out war would be a bloodbath on both sides of the border.
Right??!!!??!
If you think what happens in Europe is too common, imagine what it would be here. The ignorance with some of these comments is mind blowing.
So.....you are against a thousand miles long alligator filled moat?
Ummm no. We don’t need to annex 13 million more democratic voters and tax leaches. Let them figure it out on their own
There are many groups knee deep here already.
When shit really does start the "woke" assholes are going to get a quick lesson on the realities of being woke.
Ummm this exactly, but but but the children will complain and say it's all supposed to be free
There's already a moat, just add alligators.
Yeah, I'm not saying they would win anything just that it would undoubtedly get messy.
The "War on Drugs" and the "Just Say No" campaign should take care of this with the old supply and demand thing any time now.
I think bull sharks would be more effective. Alligators do as they want and next thing you know, you’ll have em in your swimming pool and mud rooms lol.
Um, most of us are fully aware of how stuff works lmao. We have to have a little fun with a little truth mixed in. We didn’t say become terrorists and take every living thing out! Geez. Don’t fool yourself. We know where most of the cartels are all the way down to the street trafficking guys. Start wiping them out. You got to use some intel. Mexico is a different animal than AFG. There are good people in all of these places that have to deal with this shit everyday. I’m most certain we could rid ourselves of the problem quickly, with minimal collateral damage if we so chose to. And I’d bet the local good people wouldn’t mind us helping them keep it that way if we can work out some economical provisions. Problem is, as I’ve said, it’s a cash cow. You’d be crazy if you didn’t think the US gov was making money off of this shit in some capacity. We need these people to feed the machine. Same goes for NK. That’s why everyone knows they need these people. If we wanted that short little asshole in NK gone he’d be gone. Problem is, we don’t really want him gone. He is used as a pawn in a grandiose game. I’d say America has been pretty restrained in its efforts in policing, too restrained. Let’s put it this way, if we don’t start doing something soon it’s going to be on the doorstep of middle America here shortly. Hell in some places it already is.
Unfortunately, as you know, we’ve created a lot of the problems we face here at home and abroad. On one hand we should bring our people home and let the world police themselves, save our money and our men and concentrate on efforts here. On the other hand if we were to do that lots of bad shit will rise in the wake of what we left so it’s better to stay there and keep the battle from coming to us as much as we can. There isn’t any easy simple answers to this problem. A wall is just a small part of what really needs to happen. But, as you said, there are too many dipshits running the country and many more voting them in office.
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The world needs a big bad guy.
We have been so dominant for so many years that people forget.
Do you think all the socialist crap would be going on if the USSR was still around.
The works need a “bad guy” that the USA can “focus” on and then let the the little turf wars play out.
Their gone, no one fears China nuking us.
Years ago a phone call would be through channels and the cartel would be taken care of by a proxy or by a A team “allowed” in the country.
Aka..banana wars in the 90’s
We have been so dominant for so many years that people forget.
Do you think all the socialist crap would be going on if the USSR was still around.
The works need a “bad guy” that the USA can “focus” on and then let the the little turf wars play out.
Their gone, no one fears China nuking us.
Years ago a phone call would be through channels and the cartel would be taken care of by a proxy or by a A team “allowed” in the country.
Aka..banana wars in the 90’s
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