How many here shoot a precision bolt action with a muzzle brake? Does this affect the POI at all? I was also told that it is considered rude to use a muzzle brake at the range. What do you guys think. Thanks in advance.
Muzzle brake on a bolt
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Re: Muzzle brake on a bolt
For my old .308 with the radial brake, there was no POI shift from with to without. Loud lil SOB, dirt kickin SOB too.
DK
For my old .308 with the radial brake, there was no POI shift from with to without. Loud lil SOB, dirt kickin SOB too.
DK
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I don't, but i'm a big bloke and all the ranges here in vic either outright ban them or frown upon them.
Lots of yanks love them, even on their .308's which i think is excessive. They don't affect accuracy if they're made and installed well, however the POI will shift compared to an unbraked rifle, but the accuracy should not.
Personally, I think they're excessive unless it's a big rifle and you plan to shoot it alot.
I don't, but i'm a big bloke and all the ranges here in vic either outright ban them or frown upon them.
Lots of yanks love them, even on their .308's which i think is excessive. They don't affect accuracy if they're made and installed well, however the POI will shift compared to an unbraked rifle, but the accuracy should not.
Personally, I think they're excessive unless it's a big rifle and you plan to shoot it alot.
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Im getting one on my new build. The POI wouldn't matter if you dont have any plans on taking it off. If your taking it off or going between the brake and a can then there will probably be some shift. As to it being rude screw it they can move down or get there earlier than me, not to be a dick but the noise/concusion isn't that bad. Hope this helps.
Im getting one on my new build. The POI wouldn't matter if you dont have any plans on taking it off. If your taking it off or going between the brake and a can then there will probably be some shift. As to it being rude screw it they can move down or get there earlier than me, not to be a dick but the noise/concusion isn't that bad. Hope this helps.
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Thanks guys. My brake is a quick detach for a suppressor as well. I do not plan to shoot suppressed all the time but don't plan on removing the brake either.
Thanks guys. My brake is a quick detach for a suppressor as well. I do not plan to shoot suppressed all the time but don't plan on removing the brake either.
Re: Muzzle brake on a bolt
Muzzlebrakes can change POI. By adding a muzzlebrake, you are changing the harmonics of the barrel. We have put muzzlebakes on everything from 204 and up. It`s not so much as you can`t handle the kick but a muzzlebrake helps you to see impact easier. Also, I recommend a brake that has side ports versus holes all the way around as they make dirt fly everywhere.
Muzzlebrakes can change POI. By adding a muzzlebrake, you are changing the harmonics of the barrel. We have put muzzlebakes on everything from 204 and up. It`s not so much as you can`t handle the kick but a muzzlebrake helps you to see impact easier. Also, I recommend a brake that has side ports versus holes all the way around as they make dirt fly everywhere.
Re: Muzzle brake on a bolt
Get a brake with a solid bottom if you ever plan to shoot prone. They are loud but so is the same rifle unbraked..either way hearing protection should be worn. Most ranges will allow them execpt during an F class match
Get a brake with a solid bottom if you ever plan to shoot prone. They are loud but so is the same rifle unbraked..either way hearing protection should be worn. Most ranges will allow them execpt during an F class match
Re: Muzzle brake on a bolt
I don't have much use for muzzle brakes, but that's mainly because I don't have much use for chamberings that might have a need for one. There are only so many things I need to accompish with a firearm, and simply put, I don't believe in overkill. If a .30-'06, 20ga, or .260 can't do it, I don't need it done. I own a 44 magnum, but I consider it to be a excellent chambering for a deer carbine.
Interesting that the distrinction is made between bolt guns and semi's. I had originally believed the recoil reduction semi's provide was simply a result of bore gases being bled off and reducing bullet acceleration.
Then I got a chance to view slo-mo video of a Garand being fired and the light switched on. Wow!
It finally sunk in that the rearward propulsion of the basic firearm was being offset by the forceful launching of the oprod and bolt rearward by those bled off gasses.
Essentially, the rifle was being re-launched forward, against the already initiated momentum of the recoil, as an equal and opposite reaction to the propulsion of the holt and oprod in the opposite rdirection. This is no insignificant application of physical dynamic forces. It's a significant recoil offset.
Suddenly I understood why my Garand was recoiling respectably, but my .30-'06 Win 70 hefting a pretty closely equal mass was whacking me with a lot more authority.
So suggesting a brake for a bolt gun is no illogical suggestion.
My approach to the issue would be to see how easy it would be to install an adjustable (on/off) brake, like the Savage, on an overly offensive bolt gun.
One way or another, some of the more snarly bolt guns are going to offend somebody; either by beating the owner into submission witn substantial recoil, or local bystanders with recoil brake snarl. I acknowledge that brakes can be distracting at very least, and treat all muzzle blast management as simply good manners. Too bad Uncle Sam insists we ignore those manners.
Since I'm not bowing to that piece of federally mandated disrespect of innocent bystanders; my next best approach is to tame down my chamberinsg to something that has no relationship with demonstrable manhood.
That dead deer really has no preference whether they got dead because the shooter chose a .260 or a .338LM. Dead is dead, and my preference is for the most reasonable approach to that conclusion.
Personally, I have no objection to recoil brakes and typically volunteer to shoot alongside the louder ones, so others can be spared somewhat. For me, it's just a matter of using proper hearing protection, which I learned at Quantico while being treated to a demo fire of the M82.
After that demo, I have, I believe rightfully, concluded that hearing insults are the fault of the listener. If they don't protect themselves with genuine prudence at a rifle range, they deserve what they get. Folks who go to rifle ranges expecting peace and quiet may need to get their heads examined.
Greg
I don't have much use for muzzle brakes, but that's mainly because I don't have much use for chamberings that might have a need for one. There are only so many things I need to accompish with a firearm, and simply put, I don't believe in overkill. If a .30-'06, 20ga, or .260 can't do it, I don't need it done. I own a 44 magnum, but I consider it to be a excellent chambering for a deer carbine.
Interesting that the distrinction is made between bolt guns and semi's. I had originally believed the recoil reduction semi's provide was simply a result of bore gases being bled off and reducing bullet acceleration.
Then I got a chance to view slo-mo video of a Garand being fired and the light switched on. Wow!
It finally sunk in that the rearward propulsion of the basic firearm was being offset by the forceful launching of the oprod and bolt rearward by those bled off gasses.
Essentially, the rifle was being re-launched forward, against the already initiated momentum of the recoil, as an equal and opposite reaction to the propulsion of the holt and oprod in the opposite rdirection. This is no insignificant application of physical dynamic forces. It's a significant recoil offset.
Suddenly I understood why my Garand was recoiling respectably, but my .30-'06 Win 70 hefting a pretty closely equal mass was whacking me with a lot more authority.
So suggesting a brake for a bolt gun is no illogical suggestion.
My approach to the issue would be to see how easy it would be to install an adjustable (on/off) brake, like the Savage, on an overly offensive bolt gun.
One way or another, some of the more snarly bolt guns are going to offend somebody; either by beating the owner into submission witn substantial recoil, or local bystanders with recoil brake snarl. I acknowledge that brakes can be distracting at very least, and treat all muzzle blast management as simply good manners. Too bad Uncle Sam insists we ignore those manners.
Since I'm not bowing to that piece of federally mandated disrespect of innocent bystanders; my next best approach is to tame down my chamberinsg to something that has no relationship with demonstrable manhood.
That dead deer really has no preference whether they got dead because the shooter chose a .260 or a .338LM. Dead is dead, and my preference is for the most reasonable approach to that conclusion.
Personally, I have no objection to recoil brakes and typically volunteer to shoot alongside the louder ones, so others can be spared somewhat. For me, it's just a matter of using proper hearing protection, which I learned at Quantico while being treated to a demo fire of the M82.
After that demo, I have, I believe rightfully, concluded that hearing insults are the fault of the listener. If they don't protect themselves with genuine prudence at a rifle range, they deserve what they get. Folks who go to rifle ranges expecting peace and quiet may need to get their heads examined.
Greg
Re: Muzzle brake on a bolt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After that demo, I have, I believe rightfully, concluded that hearing insults are the fault of the listener. If they don't protect themselves with genuine prudence at a rifle range, they deserve what they get. Folks who go to rifle ranges expecting peace and quiet may need to get their heads examined.Greg</div></div>
Well put Greg.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After that demo, I have, I believe rightfully, concluded that hearing insults are the fault of the listener. If they don't protect themselves with genuine prudence at a rifle range, they deserve what they get. Folks who go to rifle ranges expecting peace and quiet may need to get their heads examined.Greg</div></div>
Well put Greg.
