Muzzle devices and NV/thermal

dgheriani

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Is their an advantage to running a flash suppressor/hider vs a brake when using NV/thermal other than with regards to minimizing your signature? As in, does the flash from a brake temporarily obstruct your sight picture more so than what you get with a flash suppressor/hider? Any preferred muzzle devices for primarily night work (other than actual suppressors as those are a no-go up here)?
 

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    It can make a difference, but believe it or not, the standard A2 Birdcage is pretty good at balancing flash suppression and muzzle rise.

    I used a YHM Phantom for years before I got into suppressors. That did a great job at suppression, but did little for muzzle rise and nothing for recoil.
     

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    Muzzle Flash can cause many NV setups to "Bloom" or "Auto Gate Down". Depending on the NV setup, it can be anything from a slight annoyance to you being "blind" while the system resets/recovers.

    IMHO, if you are going to run NV, you really need to run a suppressor.

    If you don't have the suppressor, I would seriously look at something that does NOT direct any portion of the blast/flash directly upward.

    Best of Luck!
     

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    So basically run an A2 or just look into which flash suppressor works best, say one of the Surefires?
     

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    So basically run an A2 or just look into which flash suppressor works best, say one of the Surefires?
    If you were going to run anything, you may want to consider running it upside down!

    For example, with an A2 if you turn it upside down, the solid portion on the bottom that does not allow anything through it would limit the flash from traveling upward in front of the NV device. That could cause some additional muzzle rise, but you would need to see for yourself what is more important and what works better?

    Problem with most muzzle devices, is that they direct the blast upward to counter muzzle rise. This in turn puts the flash directly in front of the NV device.

    There are a lot of variables at play here:
    - Cartridge: how much flash does it produce? Some make fireballs, some have very little.
    - Muzzle Device: some do truly help to limit/redirect the flash, others are going to concentrate it and put it more directly in front of the NV device.
    - NV Device: some of them have little problem handling muzzle flash, others are very suseptable to it.

    Sorry, but because of those variables, it is hard to say that you must do __________ .
     

    dgheriani

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    If you were going to run anything, you may want to consider running it upside down!

    For example, with an A2 if you turn it upside down, the solid portion on the bottom that does not allow anything through it would limit the flash from traveling upward in front of the NV device. That could cause some additional muzzle rise, but you would need to see for yourself what is more important and what works better?

    Problem with most muzzle devices, is that they direct the blast upward to counter muzzle rise. This in turn puts the flash directly in front of the NV device.

    There are a lot of variables at play here:
    - Cartridge: how much flash does it produce? Some make fireballs, some have very little.
    - Muzzle Device: some do truly help to limit/redirect the flash, others are going to concentrate it and put it more directly in front of the NV device.
    - NV Device: some of them have little problem handling muzzle flash, others are very suseptable to it.

    Sorry, but because of those variables, it is hard to say that you must do __________ .
    Thanks for that. I know I'm missing a bunch of variables. Calibre-wise it would be for 6.5 Creed or .308 and possibly my .300NM. I'm thinking of getting a clip-on (PVS-30 or -27 most likely but possibly a thermal) and I'm setting up a few rifles to be ready to accept a clip-on without having to change anything (full length rails, 1.5" high scope mounts, rail above scope for RAPTAR) and just got to thinking about how much the muzzle device would affect sight picture (they currently all have brakes on them). I thought there might be some consensus along the lines of "muzzle device x is great with NV"