My $0 Tax Stamp Rant

[akmike47]

You're sharper than this. Did you get hammered last night? It was the 4th of July. It happens to the best of us. He's saying we didn't get "the win"..

Looked like he’s saying setting future precedent is the only win, if he’s being sarcastic it doesn’t translate in text well.

 

[Mean_Man]

You obviously didn’t read one of my other posts. Inconel exportation depends on the alloy, end use, and destination country. Certain alloys are used in ITAR parts so they obviously aren’t sending that to a “enemy” to be used for weapons development

I was talking about the bulk of sells and most won’t be these high dollar units I don’t think but every man simpler effect and lower cost, that frankly any adult with a few friends in the right place can make themselves they’re not turbine jet engines.

 

[Matches Malone]

There’s still a registry that requires a photo/finger prints and you’re required to have a document that says you were allowed to own it under threat of a potential decade in prison.

I’m missing the win. Even in rural Ireland that has shit gun laws were you had to keep your rifles at the police station but you can buy a suppressor at the hardware store like a hammer(at the time/location I was there)

It’s a tax registry. NFA 1934 says as much. Without a tax, it’s just a registry as you say.

That is illegal under Brady.


That’s the point. That’s the win. These guys just need to NOT fumble the ball during the lawsuit. Especially with the DOJ backing said suit.

 

[Mean_Man]

Any place I’ve worked I’ve double and sometimes triple checked paperwork depending on who did it, then it’s checked at least once more by compliance, and it was randomly spot checked near time an audit could happen.
Im willing to bet I’ve touched way more of the paperwork we are talking about than most people unfortunately.

Like I said some things go down in cost, while others go up in cost. “Over time as you continue to refine the process and the labor force, the cost should continue to go down” yet the prices keep going up. I believe I read from 2019-2024 suppressor sales went up 264%, prices didn’t go down they just raked in the profit and tried to keep up. If they can almost sell more cans than they can make there’s no smart reason they should cut prices even if they can make the same money with more units.

Annnnd that opens the market for another vendor to come in and offer still effective units for less that may not be state of the art but work at much less the cost.

 

[Mean_Man]

It’s a tax registry. NFA 1934 says as much. Without a tax, it’s just a registry as you say.

That is illegal under Brady.


That’s the point. That’s the win. These guys just need to NOT fumble the ball during the lawsuit. Especially with the DOJ backing said suit.

This. So long as it’s not astronomically F’ed up. Or out right biased to the new levels of absurdity I don’t know how it doesn’t get over turned.

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

This has been discussed a million times, but our feelings about suppressors is based on the fact that once you buy one, youre stuck with it forever, so they need to last forever. In countries where they are readily available, they are seen as essentially disposable. If they lasted 1,500-2,000 rounds but cost $300, that's what I'm doing, and so are most people.

 

[akmike47]

Annnnd that opens the market for another vendor to come in and offer still effective units for less that may not be state of the art but work at much less the cost.

Which isn’t current prices dropping, as I said before it’s just more cheaper built cans like what already exists

 

[akmike47]

It’s a tax registry. NFA 1934 says as much. Without a tax, it’s just a registry as you say.

That is illegal under Brady.


That’s the point. That’s the win. These guys just need to NOT fumble the ball during the lawsuit. Especially with the DOJ backing said suit.

Because the government doesn’t regularly break laws and tell us deal with it

I’m still not seeing the win, the paper work is the main issue, we were thrown a scrap. How many times do they have to vote against removing suppressors from the NFA before you figure they don’t care about what’s legal?

 

[Matches Malone]

Because the government doesn’t regularly break laws and tell us deal with it

I’m still not seeing the win, the paper work is the main issue, we were thrown a scrap. How many times do they have to vote against removing suppressors from the NFA before you figure they don’t care about what’s legal?

We are no talking about a vote. This is a case law. Which again, sets precedent. This has nothing to do with voting. Idk you “they” is to you. This is fighting through the legal system. I get it, it’s bs. We shouldn’t have to, but here we are.

If you want to sit there in your pity party and wallow, then fine. Other people will support the organizations trying to unfuck this. This is an opportunity hay has not been presented before. It would be stupid not to take the shot.

 

[Mean_Man]

This has been discussed a million times, but our feelings about suppressors is based on the fact that once you buy one, youre stuck with it forever, so they need to last forever. In countries where they are readily available, they are seen as essentially disposable. If they lasted 1,500-2,000 rounds but cost $300, that's what I'm doing, and so are most people.

It's 2025 hommie, make an FTN-3 or 4 and when it eventually wears out, just destroy that one and make another.

https://odysee.com something something /FTN.4-Suppressor-Pack:6

Not saying do crime, saying do the paper work, pay $0, and while we wait on the lawsuits, enjoy a 3D printed and made at home silencer that can take .308win... And what happens when it wears out is up to you... could just retire it in the safe... could do lots of things, hypothetically.

 

[akmike47]

We are no talking about a vote. This is a case law. Which again, sets precedent. This has nothing to do with voting. Idk you “they” is to you. This is fighting through the legal system. I get it, it’s bs. We shouldn’t have to, but here we are.

If you want to sit there in your pity party and wallow, then fine. Other people will support the organizations trying to unfuck this. This is an opportunity hay has not been presented before. It would be stupid not to take the shot.

I’m not having a pitty party at all

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

It's 2025 hommie, make an FTN-3 or 4 and when it eventually wears out, just make another with the same S/N and destroy the old one... who can prove otherwise unless they literally see both at the same time in that short window?

I am playing by the strictest rules these days. I had 2 atf agents knocking on my door back in 2023 to investigate my form 1 efforts. I'm sure I'm still on a list somewhere.

 

[Mean_Man]

I am playing by the strictest rules these days. I had 2 atf agents knocking on my door back in 2023 to investigate my form 1 efforts. I'm sure I'm still on a list somewhere.

What about a form 1 had them come knock on your door if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

What about a form 1 had them come knock on your door if you don't mind me asking?

I bought some solvent traps on gunbroker. They visited everyone who purchased them from rifle remedy 5000 (I think that's his name), including me. I read the story about them raiding him, taking his computers and letting him go. He was still selling them the last time I checked so I think the whole thing is probably an atf honey pot operation.

 

[Llatikcuf]

The reason the NFA exists is because it's a tax, being a tax it does not interfere with the 2A, so said the attorney general at that time.
By making the tax $0 there is no reason for the NFA. That is why Sen Murphy from Connecticut tried to put back in a $1 tax. As long as there's a tax there's the NFA and he knows that.
Now that the tax is $0 the NFA is an infringement and that's fodder for litigation.

 

[Holliday]

GOA already announced the moment it's signed they're filing a lawsuit, chill. Yea we didn't want to go the long way around, but at least it's happening. Also they're directly attacking the NFA, so it may pay off even more so.

You know THAT is exactly what we were told in Colorado in 2013 when the magban took effect. We’re filing a lawsuit, “Chill” “donate$$$”

Have you seen what has happened in Colorado since I was at the legislature in 2013???

This was a generational opportunity that was snatch from the jaws of victory because the GOP knows there are plenty of cuck/simp gun owners who will fucking “chill”.

We just got a BBC shoved up our backside. The time for panty-waste “chill” IS OVER!!!!!

Make note of every organization that is simping the BBC. NEVER EVER GIVE THESE GRIFTERS ANOTHER DIME! EVER.

 

[Holliday]

The reason the NFA exists is because it's a tax, being a tax it does not interfere with the 2A, so said the attorney general at that time.
By making the tax $0 there is no reason for the NFA. That is why Sen Murphy from Connecticut tried to put back in a $1 tax. As long as there's a tax there's the NFA and he knows that.
Now that the tax is $0 the NFA is an infringement and that's fodder for litigation.

So you are betting that this will get litigated and up to scotus and they will agree to hear it before Dems gain power again. Because if they beat us, this tax will go to $5k. You better hope and pray that Vance get 8 years and even then there is no guarantee that Scotus will take the case up.

 

[Holliday]

Most people here know I bounce around multiple gun related forums and after this BBB passage, I keep reading how this is a win for us. How the fuck is it a win?! Just because you save $200 ($5 for AOW), you still have to go through the same bullshit hoops and hurdles to exercise your Second Amendment right. And worse yet, now your FFL/SOT that you buy your NFA items from will know you have an extra $200 in your pocket and will raise the price of their products. I sure as fuck would if I was in the business!

Look, I get that the journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step, but that first step is NOT a win. It's the final step at the 1,000 mile mark that's officially the win. I'm not much of a superstitious person, but I believe that this early victory dance that so many folks are doing is gonna jinx us and we will lose that first step progress. So let's focus on that 1,000 mile goal instead of the preemptive celebration.

Rant over. Now let's get those grills ready!

Listen, gun owner’s proverbial wife just got fucked by some guy name Joaquin. Gun owners are now saying “Hey partial win! At least someone got fucked”.

 

[Mean_Man]

You know THAT is exactly what we were told in Colorado in 2013 when the magban took effect. We’re filing a lawsuit, “Chill” “donate$$$”

Have you seen what has happened in Colorado since I was at the legislature in 2013???

This was a generational opportunity that was snatch from the jaws of victory because the GOP knows there are plenty of cuck/simp gun owners who will fucking “chill”.

We just got a BBC shoved up our backside. The time for panty-waste “chill” IS OVER!!!!!

Make note of every organization that is simping the BBC. NEVER EVER GIVE THESE GRIFTERS ANOTHER DIME! EVER.

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We will see, it could be 1986 all over again... it could be the end of it all.. time will tell. I'm not going to get pissed off and start yelling all over the internet yet.

 

[Mean_Man]

So you are betting that this will get litigated and up to scotus and they will agree to hear it before Dems gain power again. Because if they beat us, this tax will go to $5k. You better hope and pray that Vance get 8 years and even then there is no guarantee that Scotus will take the case up.

You don't know that, or are you playing with a ouija board and trust the spirits answering?

 

[Mean_Man]

Listen, gun owner’s proverbial wife just got fucked by some guy name Joaquin. Gun owners are now saying “Hey partial win! At least someone got fucked”.

Do you try to be insufferable or does it just come naturally?

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

Do you try to be insufferable or does it just come naturally?

He's on my blocked list. The guy is an epic douche canoe.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Not the outcome I was hoping for... however- it's a step in the right direction for sure. Hopefully this sets up further legal cases on why it's both ridiculous and not in the taxpayer's interest to keep this charade going.

I'm biased of course (as most of us are) but come on- if you take an AR pistol with an "arm brace" attachment rather than a stock it's a pistol but if you put a collapsible stock on it it's now an NFA and extra deadly/super scary device... absolute nonsense. If anything I think the past decade plus of this ridiculous nuance has finally proven how little basis any of these previous laws held.

Let's take the $0 gift from the BBB and keep attacking the NFA crap. Momentum is and can be a good thing after all.

Just a shame it's taken something like an entire century to get this egregious wrong corrected.