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Re: Navy SEALs Punished For Secrecy Breach
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems some of these guys have a hard time keeping their mouths shut.
Loose Lips... </div></div>
'but it's OK for the White House to give secrets about the same event to a movie producer.
Pot calling the...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems some of these guys have a hard time keeping their mouths shut.
Loose Lips... </div></div>
'but it's OK for the White House to give secrets about the same event to a movie producer.
Pot calling the...
Re: Navy SEALs Punished For Secrecy Breach
Right or wrong, it happens. Tuesday proved that the masses don't give a ...
We always get the government we ask for, and it always turns out to be the one we deserve.
Right or wrong, it happens. Tuesday proved that the masses don't give a ...
We always get the government we ask for, and it always turns out to be the one we deserve.
Re: Navy SEALs Punished For Secrecy Breach
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems some of these guys have a hard time keeping their mouths shut.
Loose Lips... </div></div>
'but it's OK for the White House to give secrets about the same event to a movie producer.
Pot calling the... </div></div>
I never said it was okay. But these guys pride themselves on being "silent professionals". I don't expect much coming from anyone out of the White House or Washington but SEAL 6 is different.
Seems like this all stems from that book that was released a couple of months ago.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems some of these guys have a hard time keeping their mouths shut.
Loose Lips... </div></div>
'but it's OK for the White House to give secrets about the same event to a movie producer.
Pot calling the... </div></div>
I never said it was okay. But these guys pride themselves on being "silent professionals". I don't expect much coming from anyone out of the White House or Washington but SEAL 6 is different.
Seems like this all stems from that book that was released a couple of months ago.
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Re: Navy SEALs Punished For Secrecy Breach
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems some of these guys have a hard time keeping their mouths shut.
Loose Lips... </div></div>
'but it's OK for the White House to give secrets about the same event to a movie producer.
Pot calling the... </div></div>
I never said it was okay. But these guys pride themselves on being "silent professionals". I don't expect much coming from anyone out of the White House or Washington but SEAL 6 is different.
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Slap, that wasn't directed at you, I was just making the point that there is a ton of hypocrisy in the WH and I do agree with everything you said.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems some of these guys have a hard time keeping their mouths shut.
Loose Lips... </div></div>
'but it's OK for the White House to give secrets about the same event to a movie producer.
Pot calling the... </div></div>
I never said it was okay. But these guys pride themselves on being "silent professionals". I don't expect much coming from anyone out of the White House or Washington but SEAL 6 is different.
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Slap, that wasn't directed at you, I was just making the point that there is a ton of hypocrisy in the WH and I do agree with everything you said.
Re: Navy SEALs Punished For Secrecy Breach
This stems from lack of leadership and the disdain these SEALs have for their leadership. This would not of happened if these SEALs didn't feel they were being used for political gain. JMO
This stems from lack of leadership and the disdain these SEALs have for their leadership. This would not of happened if these SEALs didn't feel they were being used for political gain. JMO
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<span style="font-weight: bold">7 Navy SEALs punished for secrecy breach tied to 'Medal of Honor' video game</span>
Published November 09, 2012, FoxNews.com
WASHINGTON – Seven members of the secretive Navy SEAL Team 6, including one involved in the Usama bin Laden raid, have been punished for allegedly disclosing classified information, two senior military officials tell Fox News.
They were accused for their role working as paid consultants for a video game company producing "Medal of Honor: Warfighter." The official says four other SEALs are under investigation for similar alleged disclosures, but are still on active duty.
The seven received what the military calls "nonjudicial" punishment on Wednesday. They were given letters of reprimand, which is often, but not exclusively, a career ending punishment -- <span style="font-weight: bold">it depends on the commander's discretion and whether or not he chooses to make it part of the offender's permanent service record.</span> In addition, the seven SEALs were made to forfeit half their pay for two months.
The deputy commander of Naval Special Warfare Command, Rear Adm. Garry Bonelli, issued a statement acknowledging that nonjudicial punishments had been handed out for misconduct, but he did not offer any details.
"We do not tolerate deviations from the policies that govern who we are and what we do as sailors in the United States Navy," Bonelli said. He alluded to the importance of honoring nondisclosure agreements that SEALs sign.
He said the punishments this week "send a clear message throughout our force that we are and will be held to a high standard of accountability."
The two main complaints against the SEALs were that <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">they did not seek the permission of their command to take part in the video project and that they showed the video designers some of their specially designed combat equipment unique to their unit</span>, </span>said a senior military official. The official was briefed about the case but was not authorized to speak publicly about it.
Because <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">the SEALs failed to ask permission to take outside, paid jobs, commanders were not able to approve or vet jobs, and that amounts to a violation of orders.</span></span>
SEALs, including some of those involved in the bin Laden raid of May 2011, have been uncharacteristically prominent in the news this year.
The nonjudicial punishment was handed down within recent days, but revelations of the scandal came about during around the time Matt Bissonnette wrote a firsthand account under the pseudonym Mark Owen of the bin Laden raid.
Bissonette, who participated in the raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, but later retired from the SEALs, landed in hot water with the Pentagon even before it was published in September. The Pentagon accused him of disclosing classified information in violation of the nondisclosure agreements he had signed as a SEAL. He disputes the charge.
Although Bissonnette was not one of the 11 under scrutiny for the video game breach, it has has been widely reported that Bissonnette was one of the original paid consultants working for the gaming company, Electronics Arts. The Pentagon says he can not be punished for that because he had already left the service, but the Pentagon is considering legal action in return for Bissonnette's decision to write the tell-all book.
The SEAL mission to capture or kill bin Laden, while stunningly successful, encountered a number of unexpected obstacles, including the loss of a stealthy helicopter that was partially blown up by the SEALs after making a hard landing inside bin Laden's compound.
The head of Naval Special Warfare Command, Rear Adm. Sean Pybus, responded to the Bissonnette book by telling his force that "hawking details about a mission" and selling other information about SEAL training and operations puts the force and their families at risk.
SEALs, both active duty and retired, possess <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">highly sensitive information about tactics and techniques that are central to the success of their secret and often dangerous missions overseas. That is why they are obliged to sign nondisclosure agreements when they enter service and when they leave, and it is why the Pentagon seeks to enforce such written agreemen</span>ts.</span>
The punishments were first reported by CBS News.
Fox News' Justin Fishel and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/.../#ixzz2BkR0ALQn
<span style="font-weight: bold">7 Navy SEALs punished for secrecy breach tied to 'Medal of Honor' video game</span>
Published November 09, 2012, FoxNews.com
WASHINGTON – Seven members of the secretive Navy SEAL Team 6, including one involved in the Usama bin Laden raid, have been punished for allegedly disclosing classified information, two senior military officials tell Fox News.
They were accused for their role working as paid consultants for a video game company producing "Medal of Honor: Warfighter." The official says four other SEALs are under investigation for similar alleged disclosures, but are still on active duty.
The seven received what the military calls "nonjudicial" punishment on Wednesday. They were given letters of reprimand, which is often, but not exclusively, a career ending punishment -- <span style="font-weight: bold">it depends on the commander's discretion and whether or not he chooses to make it part of the offender's permanent service record.</span> In addition, the seven SEALs were made to forfeit half their pay for two months.
The deputy commander of Naval Special Warfare Command, Rear Adm. Garry Bonelli, issued a statement acknowledging that nonjudicial punishments had been handed out for misconduct, but he did not offer any details.
"We do not tolerate deviations from the policies that govern who we are and what we do as sailors in the United States Navy," Bonelli said. He alluded to the importance of honoring nondisclosure agreements that SEALs sign.
He said the punishments this week "send a clear message throughout our force that we are and will be held to a high standard of accountability."
The two main complaints against the SEALs were that <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">they did not seek the permission of their command to take part in the video project and that they showed the video designers some of their specially designed combat equipment unique to their unit</span>, </span>said a senior military official. The official was briefed about the case but was not authorized to speak publicly about it.
Because <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">the SEALs failed to ask permission to take outside, paid jobs, commanders were not able to approve or vet jobs, and that amounts to a violation of orders.</span></span>
SEALs, including some of those involved in the bin Laden raid of May 2011, have been uncharacteristically prominent in the news this year.
The nonjudicial punishment was handed down within recent days, but revelations of the scandal came about during around the time Matt Bissonnette wrote a firsthand account under the pseudonym Mark Owen of the bin Laden raid.
Bissonette, who participated in the raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, but later retired from the SEALs, landed in hot water with the Pentagon even before it was published in September. The Pentagon accused him of disclosing classified information in violation of the nondisclosure agreements he had signed as a SEAL. He disputes the charge.
Although Bissonnette was not one of the 11 under scrutiny for the video game breach, it has has been widely reported that Bissonnette was one of the original paid consultants working for the gaming company, Electronics Arts. The Pentagon says he can not be punished for that because he had already left the service, but the Pentagon is considering legal action in return for Bissonnette's decision to write the tell-all book.
The SEAL mission to capture or kill bin Laden, while stunningly successful, encountered a number of unexpected obstacles, including the loss of a stealthy helicopter that was partially blown up by the SEALs after making a hard landing inside bin Laden's compound.
The head of Naval Special Warfare Command, Rear Adm. Sean Pybus, responded to the Bissonnette book by telling his force that "hawking details about a mission" and selling other information about SEAL training and operations puts the force and their families at risk.
SEALs, both active duty and retired, possess <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">highly sensitive information about tactics and techniques that are central to the success of their secret and often dangerous missions overseas. That is why they are obliged to sign nondisclosure agreements when they enter service and when they leave, and it is why the Pentagon seeks to enforce such written agreemen</span>ts.</span>
The punishments were first reported by CBS News.
Fox News' Justin Fishel and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/.../#ixzz2BkR0ALQn
Re: Navy SEALs Punished For Secrecy Breach
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stems from lack of leadership and the disdain these SEALs have for their leadership. This would not of happened if these SEALs didn't feel they were being used for political gain. JMO </div></div>
Bingo!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stems from lack of leadership and the disdain these SEALs have for their leadership. This would not of happened if these SEALs didn't feel they were being used for political gain. JMO </div></div>
Bingo!
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Im not 100% but I saw one of the SEAL teams guys that was supposedly being investigated was also one that was in the movie " Act of Valor".
Im not 100% but I saw one of the SEAL teams guys that was supposedly being investigated was also one that was in the movie " Act of Valor".
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I actually don't think this would have been an issue at all if they had done what they were supposed to, would have taken a letter requesting permission to take a secondary job, maybe a run through with their security manager for what they will do and say.
I actually don't think this would have been an issue at all if they had done what they were supposed to, would have taken a letter requesting permission to take a secondary job, maybe a run through with their security manager for what they will do and say.
Re: Navy SEALs Punished For Secrecy Breach
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stems from lack of leadership and the disdain these SEALs have for their leadership. This would not of happened if these SEALs didn't feel they were being used for political gain. JMO </div></div>
I agree with this completely.
Quite frankly, I think there are some things the people need to know. If there was more transparency within the gov then this would not be as much of an issue. Giving up actual names, locales, training venues, etc. things like that I agree should be kept quiet but details of a mission after the fact should not be a problem IMO. If it is a mission where nobody knew we were there or if it was still ongoing then that would be different but I see no harm in giving up some of the facts after it is over.
I also do not agree with these gentlemen being punished despite the fact the prez has given up some nice details to Hollywood as well. So, where in the hell is his punishment? Pot calling kettle black and then some. If these guys lose their place over this then the prez should be impeached for his loud mouth as well. A job for a job. You can't run with this I am the supreme of the land garbage....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stems from lack of leadership and the disdain these SEALs have for their leadership. This would not of happened if these SEALs didn't feel they were being used for political gain. JMO </div></div>
I agree with this completely.
Quite frankly, I think there are some things the people need to know. If there was more transparency within the gov then this would not be as much of an issue. Giving up actual names, locales, training venues, etc. things like that I agree should be kept quiet but details of a mission after the fact should not be a problem IMO. If it is a mission where nobody knew we were there or if it was still ongoing then that would be different but I see no harm in giving up some of the facts after it is over.
I also do not agree with these gentlemen being punished despite the fact the prez has given up some nice details to Hollywood as well. So, where in the hell is his punishment? Pot calling kettle black and then some. If these guys lose their place over this then the prez should be impeached for his loud mouth as well. A job for a job. You can't run with this I am the supreme of the land garbage....
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nope, I'm not gonna post what I had written out. There's no way I can do it, without seeming inflammatory and negative.
nope, I'm not gonna post what I had written out. There's no way I can do it, without seeming inflammatory and negative.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We always get the government we ask for</div></div>
Some of us don't completely believe that - not with the numbers of absentee military ballots never received...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We always get the government we ask for</div></div>
Some of us don't completely believe that - not with the numbers of absentee military ballots never received...
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I stumbled upon this little topic and it raises my blood pressure a little bit. Let me preface this by saying that I have never been in the military, but I am a very proud American to my core, and I am extremely thankful and grateful for all that the men and women of the armed forces have done and continue to do on a daily basis to protect our country and our values. It bothers me that we are to abide by certain "rules" of conduct and rules of combat, yet those who pose a threat to the safety and well being of our country do not have any rules whatsoever. As far as I am concerned, what happens in combat happens in combat. It is not for those of us that are sitting back here in our homes to judge. Yes I am aware of the longstanding reputation of the Navy SEALs and their quiet dedication to our country. It is a shame that Washington is held to different standards than those which they are "commanding". It is extremely discomforting that those in Washington feel it "ok" to let sensitive information slide to the media or public for their own gain. But I guess that is why they are called politicians. Maybe its time for them to go back and look at what the Founding Fathers of our country stood for and what they believed the role of government should actually be. Ok, Im off my soapbox. I apologize if I have offended anyone.
I stumbled upon this little topic and it raises my blood pressure a little bit. Let me preface this by saying that I have never been in the military, but I am a very proud American to my core, and I am extremely thankful and grateful for all that the men and women of the armed forces have done and continue to do on a daily basis to protect our country and our values. It bothers me that we are to abide by certain "rules" of conduct and rules of combat, yet those who pose a threat to the safety and well being of our country do not have any rules whatsoever. As far as I am concerned, what happens in combat happens in combat. It is not for those of us that are sitting back here in our homes to judge. Yes I am aware of the longstanding reputation of the Navy SEALs and their quiet dedication to our country. It is a shame that Washington is held to different standards than those which they are "commanding". It is extremely discomforting that those in Washington feel it "ok" to let sensitive information slide to the media or public for their own gain. But I guess that is why they are called politicians. Maybe its time for them to go back and look at what the Founding Fathers of our country stood for and what they believed the role of government should actually be. Ok, Im off my soapbox. I apologize if I have offended anyone.
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Was it wrong, absolutely. Has it happened before, yes no less than a thousand times with books, movies, manuals, games, videos etc.
Was it wrong, absolutely. Has it happened before, yes no less than a thousand times with books, movies, manuals, games, videos etc.
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I don't understand why you guys are holding back. You should let it fly. Post how you feel and be done with it.
I don't understand why you guys are holding back. You should let it fly. Post how you feel and be done with it.
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If permission to speak freely comes from a red name or green name I'm sure we will! Until then I will respect Frank as this is his house and continue to abide by "da rules".
If permission to speak freely comes from a red name or green name I'm sure we will! Until then I will respect Frank as this is his house and continue to abide by "da rules".
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cmonroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If permission to speak freely comes from a red name or green name I'm sure we will! Until then I will respect Frank as this is his house and continue to abide by "da rules". </div></div>SilentStalkr, the above quote is repeated for YOUR benefit. Given enough time, you may learn how things are done here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SilentStalkr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand why you guys are holding back. You should let it fly. Post how you feel and be done with it. </div></div> Anyone following this advice should read the rules, to continue to be a contributing member of this site.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cmonroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If permission to speak freely comes from a red name or green name I'm sure we will! Until then I will respect Frank as this is his house and continue to abide by "da rules". </div></div>SilentStalkr, the above quote is repeated for YOUR benefit. Given enough time, you may learn how things are done here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SilentStalkr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand why you guys are holding back. You should let it fly. Post how you feel and be done with it. </div></div> Anyone following this advice should read the rules, to continue to be a contributing member of this site.
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Just following the news it is easy to see the hypocracy of punishing SEALs for security breaches that have been cyclically also stemming straight from the White House.
What's the point of solving the low level breach if you do nothing about the one at the top?
Would not this itself be a security breach?:
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WASHINGTON – Seven members of the secretive Navy SEAL Team 6, including one involved in the Usama bin Laden raid, have been punished for allegedly disclosing classified information, two senior military officials tell Fox News.</div></div>
What business is it of the public to know who was involved in the Bin Ladin raid?
Just following the news it is easy to see the hypocracy of punishing SEALs for security breaches that have been cyclically also stemming straight from the White House.
What's the point of solving the low level breach if you do nothing about the one at the top?
Would not this itself be a security breach?:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WASHINGTON – Seven members of the secretive Navy SEAL Team 6, including one involved in the Usama bin Laden raid, have been punished for allegedly disclosing classified information, two senior military officials tell Fox News.</div></div>
What business is it of the public to know who was involved in the Bin Ladin raid?
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^^^ While I don't think it really is any business of the general public really to know the details I see no harm in the details being given after the fact. One could also argue that the public has every right to know simply based on the fact the government, which includes the military, represents and works for the general populace it is under or over, depending on how you look at it. I am not saying that the public should know every little detail but one could argue that point. I mean afterall in the end me and you and every other tax payer fund all of these little things...
If your company sent you to China with their credit card on their dime and you went out and spent $20,000 while you were over there you would be held accountable for that. Just because something is military or government branded does not, IMO, mean it should automatically be deemed secret. That is a large part of the problem today IMO everything is hush hush. Spending abounds with nobody accountable, and so on.
Now here with these Seals we see some accountability but you cannot hold the lower ranked individuals to a different standard than the higher ranks. It doesn't work that way, well it does, but it shouldn't. That is one of the problems.
Now with all of that said I do believe some things need to remain a secret but you have to admit they could be a lot more transparent about some things than they are.
Anyways I am going to go and read or re-read the rules since it is apparent I must have missed something somewhere.
^^^ While I don't think it really is any business of the general public really to know the details I see no harm in the details being given after the fact. One could also argue that the public has every right to know simply based on the fact the government, which includes the military, represents and works for the general populace it is under or over, depending on how you look at it. I am not saying that the public should know every little detail but one could argue that point. I mean afterall in the end me and you and every other tax payer fund all of these little things...
If your company sent you to China with their credit card on their dime and you went out and spent $20,000 while you were over there you would be held accountable for that. Just because something is military or government branded does not, IMO, mean it should automatically be deemed secret. That is a large part of the problem today IMO everything is hush hush. Spending abounds with nobody accountable, and so on.
Now here with these Seals we see some accountability but you cannot hold the lower ranked individuals to a different standard than the higher ranks. It doesn't work that way, well it does, but it shouldn't. That is one of the problems.
Now with all of that said I do believe some things need to remain a secret but you have to admit they could be a lot more transparent about some things than they are.
Anyways I am going to go and read or re-read the rules since it is apparent I must have missed something somewhere.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SilentStalkr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyways I am going to go and read or re-read the rules since it is apparent I must have missed something somewhere. </div></div>
They are politely inferring that making political posts are not allowed, ergo at times speaking ones mind is not plausible out of respect to the site owner and moderators for it would get political quickly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SilentStalkr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyways I am going to go and read or re-read the rules since it is apparent I must have missed something somewhere. </div></div>
They are politely inferring that making political posts are not allowed, ergo at times speaking ones mind is not plausible out of respect to the site owner and moderators for it would get political quickly.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SilentStalkr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyways I am going to go and read or re-read the rules since it is apparent I must have missed something somewhere. </div></div>
They are politely inferring that making political posts are not allowed, ergo at times speaking ones mind is not plausible out of respect to the site owner and moderators for it would get political quickly. </div></div>
Yes sir, I just went and read that myself. Somehow I missed that the first go around. However, IMO this entire thread could be deemed political. So, I am not sure whether I should be editing my last post or leave it be. Sometimes the political line is not so clear. Anyways I am done with this thread for fear of it actually being considered political. So, I will make no other posts regarding this subject based on that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SilentStalkr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyways I am going to go and read or re-read the rules since it is apparent I must have missed something somewhere. </div></div>
They are politely inferring that making political posts are not allowed, ergo at times speaking ones mind is not plausible out of respect to the site owner and moderators for it would get political quickly. </div></div>
Yes sir, I just went and read that myself. Somehow I missed that the first go around. However, IMO this entire thread could be deemed political. So, I am not sure whether I should be editing my last post or leave it be. Sometimes the political line is not so clear. Anyways I am done with this thread for fear of it actually being considered political. So, I will make no other posts regarding this subject based on that.
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