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clc33

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got a friend with a 700 xcr lrt first shot the barrel blowed up with part of the case left in gun . he shot it with a factory fed load will a shell double powdered do that or has it got be more than that?the gun was a 308.
 
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It "blowed up"?

Got pics?

Unlikely that a factory load would have a double charge, can't fit that much powder in there. Did he leave the bore sighter in the muzzle? Any other possible obstructions (the likely cause)?
 
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not an expert. but when loading 308 with varget, as i got to the max load, 46g the case was pretty full. even with the 42g min, i cant see getting double in there. cant speak for other powders, i have only used varget. hope everybody is ok? keep everything as is, im sure its going to have to be examined.
 
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Not possible to have a "double charge" with a Federal Gold Metal Match. I have pulled the 168gr load and the powder charge was 46 or so (IIRC). You could get a little extra in there, but not enough for a catastrophic failure in a 700 action.

I am not 100% certain about other Federal loads, but I am betting that they don't have enough room for a double either.

If the barrel ruptured, my bet is on an obstruction. Possibly a squib load.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not possible to have a "double charge" with a Federal Gold Metal Match. I have pulled the 168gr load and the powder charge was 46 or so (IIRC). You could get a little extra in there, but not enough for a catastrophic failure in a 700 action.

I am not 100% certain about other Federal loads, but I am betting that they don't have enough room for a double either.

If the barrel ruptured, my bet is on an obstruction. Possibly a squib load. </div></div> the barrel was clear checked before he shot it . what is a squib load?
 
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Honestly, there isn't enough information to really determine what happened. In fact, what we really need are a couple of good pictures...
 
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Get plenty of high quality pictures first prior to sending to Remington and have a gun smith look at it and write down his findings. I would actualy have more then one smith look at it and cross reference the information.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clc33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">got a friend with a 700 xcr lrt first shot the barrel blowed up with part of the case left in gun . he shot it with a factory fed load will a shell double powdered do that or has it got be more than that?the gun was a 308. </div></div>

What the hell kind of post is this?... Need answers?

No information... No answers.

Simple
 
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dont no if he took pics hes probely trying to take gun back were he bought it from.sorry if you think i was being bossy i wasnt.there has to be something wrong with the barrel because he said it blowed all the way down the barrel dont see how that happened.this is the second gun he took back the first one had part of the rifling cutter broke off in it.hes had bad luck with these guns.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It "blowed up"?

Got pics?

Unlikely that a factory load would have a double charge, can't fit that much powder in there. Did he leave the bore sighter in the muzzle? Any other possible obstructions (the likely cause)?

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With a Squib....

That being said....someone did not know their tools.
 
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Wow, some of you guy's just have a way of making people feel warm and fuzzy inside. I'm sure the guy got the idea his grammar wasn't the best after the first asshat felt he needed to point it out like nobody else would see it on their own. The OP probably doesn't give a damn about what you think of his grammar anyway. Why waste a post if you have nothing positive to add to the thread? Oh, that's right, gotta get that post count up and act all E-tough.

LRN out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">will a .243 do that in a .308? </div></div>

will blow the brass out and rattle down the barrel.

have seen a ton of these over at Brassman. Kinda funny it it were not so foolish
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LongRangeNewb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, some of you guy's just have a way of making people feel warm and fuzzy inside. I'm sure the guy got the idea his grammar wasn't the best after the first asshat felt he needed to point it out like nobody else would see it on their own. The OP probably doesn't give a damn about what you think of his grammar anyway. Why waste a post if you have nothing positive to add to the thread? Oh, that's right, gotta get that post count up and act all E-tough.

LRN out. </div></div>

In that the written word is our form of communication here it is inherently disrespectful to type in ALL CAPS, to fail to use any form or grammar, to not make a reasonable attempt to proof read what you are submitting, or even going so far as to edit it once you have posted it. If he is offended that his ignorance is pointed out then so be it. It does not alleviate him of his actions.

That being said the OP received his answer to the best of our ability to understand his original question. If the rifle “blowed up” it was likely caused by a squib load prior to the load that caused the damage.

My thoughts, YMMV
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LongRangeNewb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, some of you guy's just have a way of making people feel warm and fuzzy inside. I'm sure the guy got the idea his grammar wasn't the best after the first asshat felt he needed to point it out like nobody else would see it on their own. The OP probably doesn't give a damn about what you think of his grammar anyway. Why waste a post if you have nothing positive to add to the thread? Oh, that's right, gotta get that post count up and act all E-tough.

LRN out. </div></div>

You, my friend, need to chill out a little. Agreed, some of us are less patient than others. (I'm guilty of that) But it's only because we've seen this kind of post before and it usually winds up being some useless Troll who's PeePee gets hard when knowledgeable people take him seriously.

May not be the case here, but it sure has all the ear-marks. So before you go bashing others maybe you should become a little less wet-behind-the-ears yourself first.

John OUT... (I use my real name)
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LongRangeNewb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, some of you guy's just have a way of making people feel warm and fuzzy inside. I'm sure the guy got the idea his grammar wasn't the best after the first asshat felt he needed to point it out like nobody else would see it on their own. The OP probably doesn't give a damn about what you think of his grammar anyway. Why waste a post if you have nothing positive to add to the thread? Oh, that's right, gotta get that post count up and act all E-tough.

LRN out. </div></div>

You, my friend, need to chill out a little. Agreed, some of us are less patient than others. (I'm guilty of that) But it's only because we've seen this kind of post before and it usually winds up being some useless Troll who's PeePee gets hard when knowledgeable people take him seriously.

May not be the case here, but it sure has all the ear-marks. So before you go bashing others maybe you should become a little less wet-behind-the-ears yourself first.

John OUT... (I use my real name) </div></div> Exactly john, this is exactly how i feel, dumbass questions will be asked over and over again. If you want to get you're question answered, you are going to have to take pictures and SHOW us how it "blowed up". but i'm also assuming that it was from a Squib load. A squib load is when a bullet fails to exit the barrel and you fire another round right behind the stuck bullet...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clc33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there <span style="color: #FF0000">has to be something wrong with the barrel because he said it blowed all the way down the barrel </span>dont see how that happened.this is the second gun he took back the first one had part of the rifling cutter broke off in it.hes had bad luck with these guns. </div></div>



If it blew out all the way down the barrel then I vote boresighter or mud! And for gods sake Remy does a half way decent job with their rifles, yes some shit comes out as small flaws that were overlooked etc, but 100% of the time that shit was proof fired before going out the door.
 
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Bitching on an internet forum isn't going to get your buddy a new gun. Based on the limited info, either there WAS an obstruction, a metallurgical problem, or your buddy was NOT using a factory load. No matter what, he will have to send it back to Remington and they will figure out what happened. And yes, they can tell if there was douche-baggery involved. So, if it was operator error and he is attempting to sidestep his stupidity by having you blast away on a forum, he is in for a rude awakening. If he has not contacted Remington yet then don't bother trying to validate your claim. Come back when you have some hard facts...or pictures.

Josh
 
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If it blew all the way down the barrel, there is about a 99% chance of an obstruction near the muzzle. If, as you maintain, he checked the barrel first and this occured on the first shot with factory ammo, then I vote that it was a conspiracy by the Gray Men...or maybe the Keebler Elves...
 
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My only question is, do you and your friend with the "blowed up" gun have the same rifles? If he has had 2 come from the factory junked like you stated arent you a little worried about your 300?
 
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you dont have to have a collage degree to ask a simple question .all i was asking was can you double or triple charge a 308 load for it to blow up a barrel.if you cant under stand that then get your head out your azz!!!!and for yall that dont like the way i talk then dont friken read it!!
 
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Think you would have to load with handgun powder to get near that result, as a factory round you can't double load it (not enough space in case )= i would say barrel metal issue
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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Hmmm, I have seen this vid before- but noticed something new this time.
I wonder what´s that big black thing flying towards target in the air immediately after kaboom?

Its clearly visible in 5-6 frames, starting at 26 sec.
Play-pause-play-pause and its easy to see.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i would say barrel metal issue </div></div>

That's what I would say most other times and alluded to the possibility above. However, I think this is most likely a case of operator error.

Josh
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.this is the second gun he took back the first one had part of the rifling cutter broke off in it.hes had bad luck with these guns</div></div>

Don't know if I'm the only one who really looked at this ....
*ALLEGEDLY* this is the second rifle that has had this problem ?

*koff*bullshit*koff*

The rifling cutter broke off in the barrel and then left the factory that way ?

*koff*bullshit*koff*

I would absolutely say that evidence points to this being an anti-gun type troll poster.
In 35-40 years of shooting/hunting/gunsmithing I have seen exactly 1 rifle that was "blowed up"....and this guy got 2 in a row from the same place ?

Sorry, that bodunky don't fly, that dog won't hunt, that pig is NOT wearing a dress, and my butt itches.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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Hmmm, I have seen this vid before- but noticed something new this time.
I wonder what´s that big black thing flying towards target in the air immediately after kaboom?



Its clearly visible in 5-6 frames, starting at 26 sec.
Play-pause-play-pause and its easy to see. </div></div>

Pretty sure the black thing is the front portion of the fore-arm of the stock. You can see it was broken away when the rifle is on the ground.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clc33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you dont have to have a collage degree to ask a simple question .all i was asking was can you double or triple charge a 308 load for it to blow up a barrel.if you cant under stand that then get your head out your azz!!!!and for yall that dont like the way i talk then dont friken read it!! </div></div>

Please understand YOU are the one who came here looking for information. YOU are the one who raised his hand. YOU are also the one who appears to not be willing to take the time to proof what YOU are writing. Perhaps YOU understand what YOU are looking for as for the rest of us I suspect that the lack of clear and concise written explanation or associated photographs will leave YOU with nothing more than speculation.

With regards to YOUR indignant snotty attitude, I would STRONGLY recommend YOU put that in check or YOUR time will be short on this board.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clc33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you dont have to have a collage degree to ask a simple question .all i was asking was can you double or triple charge a 308 load for it to blow up a barrel.if you cant under stand that then get your head out your azz!!!!and for yall that dont like the way i talk then dont friken read it!! </div></div>

I aint nevr been to COLLAGE. But I did attend college.
More then one person has told you that its not possible to double load a 308 round, so that would negate triple loading it.

Clearly you understand little so pull your head out of your ass, do a search, then come back to us and ask a big boy question!!

thanks
 
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Didn't collage teach us all to love each other? Somehow with my post being the only one with a picture, I suspect OP is a troll.
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His first rifle had a cutter broken off in the barrel and then his second rifle blew up on the first round? I would say your buddy needs to quit buying his rifles out of the dumpster in back of the Remington factory and take up golf.
 
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Even in the unlikely case of an overcharged case with a sufficient charge of a fast enough powder to "blowed up" the barrel, it would NOT split from the muzzle back, it would split near the breech, going forward.
If it split at the muzzle and peeled back like a banana, it was a bore obstruction at the muzzle.
 
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for the engineer,highway con,network adm. you all dont know as much as you all think you do because the main guy at remington said hes not been the only one with those problems.so they took the gun back and is going to send him a check.so that tells you that people do have that bad of luck.and as far as threts go you really dont scare meso stick to your engineering nerds to threten.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clc33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for the engineer,highway con,network adm. you all dont know as much as you all think you do because the main guy at remington said hes not been the only one with those problems.so they took the gun back and is going to send him a check.so that tells you that people do have that bad of luck.and as far as threts go you really dont scare meso stick to your engineering nerds to threten. </div></div>Who is meso and why does he need to stick to engineering? Is he the "main guy" at Remington? If your friend is as incompetent as you, he probably gave him a free rifle, just so he would go away. As far as a company sending a check, that's completely bogus, they would fix the rifle or replace it. Your troll skills are epic, epic fail.
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