Or his will to protect his property with his hunting rifles.
Rancher, his rifles, and the drug cartel
Rancher, his rifles, and the drug cartel
Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
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Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
Arming the citizens of MEX would fix alot of problems. Good on him for standing his ground.
Arming the citizens of MEX would fix alot of problems. Good on him for standing his ground.
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Ironic that many people in Don Alejo's class are the people most responsible for the lack of weapons among the citizenry. The unwillingness of third world aristocrats to embrace American style capitalism, in favor of the traditional patronage and nepotism rampant through out the world, leaves the affluent afraid of the people and prompts their desire to keep them unarmed.
While I admire Don Alejo's obvious courage and the boldness of his actions, I am deeply frustrated by the contradictions embraced by wealthy and influential people who refuse to grasp the only tool available to them to fight the wave of violence in Mexico: The citizenry must be armed.
Ironic that many people in Don Alejo's class are the people most responsible for the lack of weapons among the citizenry. The unwillingness of third world aristocrats to embrace American style capitalism, in favor of the traditional patronage and nepotism rampant through out the world, leaves the affluent afraid of the people and prompts their desire to keep them unarmed.
While I admire Don Alejo's obvious courage and the boldness of his actions, I am deeply frustrated by the contradictions embraced by wealthy and influential people who refuse to grasp the only tool available to them to fight the wave of violence in Mexico: The citizenry must be armed.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be too long now until these kinds of events are occurring north of the border... And our government will continue to ignore it. </div></div>
Sadly I am afraid your right.. It has already started in a lot of the cities. More and more of the violence is due to Mexican Gangs. I am afraid it will occur more and more in the rural areas before long.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be too long now until these kinds of events are occurring north of the border... And our government will continue to ignore it. </div></div>
Sadly I am afraid your right.. It has already started in a lot of the cities. More and more of the violence is due to Mexican Gangs. I am afraid it will occur more and more in the rural areas before long.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
I hate to say it but out of all the people that saw the intimidation factor nobody had the guts to back him up?
I guess he was the one in a million that wasnt afraid to
stand up against the evil that came to his door
Too bad he couldnt get afew more..
I hate to say it but out of all the people that saw the intimidation factor nobody had the guts to back him up?
I guess he was the one in a million that wasnt afraid to
stand up against the evil that came to his door
Too bad he couldnt get afew more..
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had defended it to his death.
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SO was it worth it?
He should have considered machine guns and grenades, he'd probably be alive to tell hte story but then they'd just come back.
For one person to want to OCCUPY a residence when the cartel is after you is insane. To go to war with them requires being mobile.
But if everyone was to take that stand, perhaps mankind would stand a chance.
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had defended it to his death.
</div></div>
SO was it worth it?
He should have considered machine guns and grenades, he'd probably be alive to tell hte story but then they'd just come back.
For one person to want to OCCUPY a residence when the cartel is after you is insane. To go to war with them requires being mobile.
But if everyone was to take that stand, perhaps mankind would stand a chance.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
SO was it worth it?
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I guess it depends, there is a bit of a mixup in the article between it saying he is 77 and that he was born in 1933, but either way he may have just simply decided that he had lived a long life and better to meet his maker while making a last noble stand to defend his land, rather than ending up in a shack or hospital somewhere.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
SO was it worth it?
</div></div>
I guess it depends, there is a bit of a mixup in the article between it saying he is 77 and that he was born in 1933, but either way he may have just simply decided that he had lived a long life and better to meet his maker while making a last noble stand to defend his land, rather than ending up in a shack or hospital somewhere.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
had defended it to his death.
</div></div>
SO was it worth it?
He should have considered machine guns and grenades, he'd probably be alive to tell hte story but then they'd just come back.
For one person to want to OCCUPY a residence when the cartel is after you is insane. To go to war with them requires being mobile.
But if everyone was to take that stand, perhaps mankind would stand a chance.
</div></div>
I would tell you this, he was a old man, taking the fight to them is what he did. I do not see many 77 year old men able to bring a mobile fight to anyone.
He did what he could with the situation at hand. I feel this is a story that will repeat its self more in my life time.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
had defended it to his death.
</div></div>
SO was it worth it?
He should have considered machine guns and grenades, he'd probably be alive to tell hte story but then they'd just come back.
For one person to want to OCCUPY a residence when the cartel is after you is insane. To go to war with them requires being mobile.
But if everyone was to take that stand, perhaps mankind would stand a chance.
</div></div>
I would tell you this, he was a old man, taking the fight to them is what he did. I do not see many 77 year old men able to bring a mobile fight to anyone.
He did what he could with the situation at hand. I feel this is a story that will repeat its self more in my life time.
John
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
I doubt he expected to live through it and at 77 years old was just too old to be fucked with, cartel or not. Beats the hell out of rotting to death in a nursing home.
I doubt he expected to live through it and at 77 years old was just too old to be fucked with, cartel or not. Beats the hell out of rotting to death in a nursing home.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
Balls of stone. Be he an aristocrat or not, he has my respect. I would hope that I would choose such an exit knowing the odds.
Balls of stone. Be he an aristocrat or not, he has my respect. I would hope that I would choose such an exit knowing the odds.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
ask yourself this. were he to be your neighbor, would you lend a hand? your place could be next
ask yourself this. were he to be your neighbor, would you lend a hand? your place could be next
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The way i see it Artic, is that its really not a question of "is or was it worth it?". There are sometimes that a man has to do a thing just be cause its the only thing his honor will allow him to do....kind of like jumping on a grenade....its certainly not something you want to do...its certainly not "worth it"...but because of who you are and what you stand for "there is no other option". Whats your honor worth?
And shit, if he had had a couple of Claymores to booby trap the ranch with he might have won.
The way i see it Artic, is that its really not a question of "is or was it worth it?". There are sometimes that a man has to do a thing just be cause its the only thing his honor will allow him to do....kind of like jumping on a grenade....its certainly not something you want to do...its certainly not "worth it"...but because of who you are and what you stand for "there is no other option". Whats your honor worth?
And shit, if he had had a couple of Claymores to booby trap the ranch with he might have won.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be too long now until these kinds of events are occurring north of the border... And our government will continue to ignore it. </div></div>
I disagree.
Our government will criminalize those who dare defend their personal property.
Hasn't this been proven already?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be too long now until these kinds of events are occurring north of the border... And our government will continue to ignore it. </div></div>
I disagree.
Our government will criminalize those who dare defend their personal property.
Hasn't this been proven already?
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
I have respect for this man. His story is proof that gun control does not keep arms away from criminals instead it disarms the victims. I'm glad he had his two rifles with him, the world has 4 scumbags less today. Good shooting and RIP.
I have respect for this man. His story is proof that gun control does not keep arms away from criminals instead it disarms the victims. I'm glad he had his two rifles with him, the world has 4 scumbags less today. Good shooting and RIP.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
We will never know how many of us would actually be able to show similar courage if the situation were presented to us. Until it happens, we can only speculate. If enough people show that courage, I think our society would be far better off.
Interesting that every one of the people who volunteer for military service are saying that they are willing to find out. Thanks to all of them.
We will never know how many of us would actually be able to show similar courage if the situation were presented to us. Until it happens, we can only speculate. If enough people show that courage, I think our society would be far better off.
Interesting that every one of the people who volunteer for military service are saying that they are willing to find out. Thanks to all of them.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be too long now until these kinds of events are occurring north of the border... And our government will continue to ignore it. </div></div>
I don't think it will be ignored. If the property owner survives, he'll most likely face another battle in court.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be too long now until these kinds of events are occurring north of the border... And our government will continue to ignore it. </div></div>
I don't think it will be ignored. If the property owner survives, he'll most likely face another battle in court.
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Imagine what he could have done if he had something more applicable to the fight than a few deer rifles. If he had an AR 10 or similar, he could SERIOUSLY fucked some shit up.
Good for him. May we all be filled with his type of courage when there is need.
Imagine what he could have done if he had something more applicable to the fight than a few deer rifles. If he had an AR 10 or similar, he could SERIOUSLY fucked some shit up.
Good for him. May we all be filled with his type of courage when there is need.
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ironic that many people in Don Alejo's class are the people most responsible for the lack of weapons among the citizenry. The unwillingness of third world aristocrats to embrace American style capitalism, in favor of the traditional patronage and nepotism rampant through out the world, leaves the affluent afraid of the people and prompts their desire to keep them unarmed.
While I admire Don Alejo's obvious courage and the boldness of his actions, I am deeply frustrated by the contradictions embraced by wealthy and influential people who refuse to grasp the only tool available to them to fight the wave of violence in Mexico: The citizenry must be armed. </div></div>++1 to that !
quote Teggy1-
Our government will criminalize those who dare defend their personal property.
Hasn't this been proven already?
I would expect that same shit down here in NZ -protect yourself and suffer the consequences ????????? what brains are running our country's, they cause me to yell at the TV .LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ironic that many people in Don Alejo's class are the people most responsible for the lack of weapons among the citizenry. The unwillingness of third world aristocrats to embrace American style capitalism, in favor of the traditional patronage and nepotism rampant through out the world, leaves the affluent afraid of the people and prompts their desire to keep them unarmed.
While I admire Don Alejo's obvious courage and the boldness of his actions, I am deeply frustrated by the contradictions embraced by wealthy and influential people who refuse to grasp the only tool available to them to fight the wave of violence in Mexico: The citizenry must be armed. </div></div>++1 to that !
quote Teggy1-
Our government will criminalize those who dare defend their personal property.
Hasn't this been proven already?
I would expect that same shit down here in NZ -protect yourself and suffer the consequences ????????? what brains are running our country's, they cause me to yell at the TV .LOL
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
what brains are running our country's, </div></div>
None.
Makes me think of an IQ test that went around the Hide a while back. I think members here averaged about 97th percentile. Government workers on the other hand avereged in the 55th percentile.
Does that answer your question?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
what brains are running our country's, </div></div>
None.
Makes me think of an IQ test that went around the Hide a while back. I think members here averaged about 97th percentile. Government workers on the other hand avereged in the 55th percentile.
Does that answer your question?
Re: Never underestimat the power of a single rifleman
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The way i see it Artic, is that its really not a question of "is or was it worth it?". There are sometimes that a man has to do a thing just be cause its the only thing his honor will allow him to do....kind of like jumping on a grenade....its certainly not something you want to do...its certainly not "worth it"...but because of who you are and what you stand for "there is no other option". Whats your honor worth?
And shit, if he had had a couple of Claymores to booby trap the ranch with he might have won. </div></div>
Jumping on a grenade in the middle of an open field is much different then jumping on one to save your buddies.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The way i see it Artic, is that its really not a question of "is or was it worth it?". There are sometimes that a man has to do a thing just be cause its the only thing his honor will allow him to do....kind of like jumping on a grenade....its certainly not something you want to do...its certainly not "worth it"...but because of who you are and what you stand for "there is no other option". Whats your honor worth?
And shit, if he had had a couple of Claymores to booby trap the ranch with he might have won. </div></div>
Jumping on a grenade in the middle of an open field is much different then jumping on one to save your buddies.
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