Suppressors new 1911 wants trigger group

[biglou13]

for now i want to drop in a trigger group.

any suggestions?

yes i know its not like a smith job. its what i want till i can buy the tools and do it my self.

the new addition is a springy loaded champion lightweight 2 tone

 

[nw911guy]

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Cylinder and Slide used to have a pretty respectable kit available through Brownell's.

I'd heard FN was going to have one to but I have yet to see it.

 

[Downzero]

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There's no such thing as a "drop in" trigger group for a 1911.

If you don't know what you're doing, don't mess with a 1911.

 

[biglou13]

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i'm relatively novice but wasn't born yesterday. and realize "drop in" = may need some stroking. but thanks for the canned answer.

nw i've heard the same. have you "dropped" one in? and which kit?

 

[Deisel]

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+1 for Cylinder and Slide kit from Brownell's. I have one in my Springfield TGO II. Works quite well, great quality.

 

[Downzero]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biglou13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
nw i've heard the same. have you "dropped" one in? and which kit? </div></div>

If you recognize that there is no such thing as "drop-in," you recognize that one need not buy a "kit."

 

[427Cobra]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no such thing as a "drop in" trigger group for a 1911.

If you don't know what you're doing, don't mess with a 1911. </div></div>

I agree 110%, the drop in kits may or may not do there proclaimed improvements, but a well versed pistolsmith can do wonders.

 

[nw911guy]

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If he keeps the old stuff, it's probably less dangerous to do the trigger on than some of the other handguns out there.

That said, drop in can tend to not be. lol This is very true.

 

[Adam B]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no such thing as a "drop in" trigger group for a 1911.

If you don't know what you're doing, don't mess with a 1911. </div></div>

I agree 110%, the drop in kits may or may not do there proclaimed improvements, but a well versed pistolsmith can do wonders. </div></div>

the 1911 or 2011's are not like a glock or M&P, leave the trigger jobs to the smiths

 

[former naval person]

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If this is your first one, please give the name and address of the range you are going to try it out on so that we may be prepared to leave. Too many things have to balance out to make a "drop in" a drop in. Get a good book and read up on it before you cut and try. JMHO

 

[Jim_D303]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no such thing as a "drop in" trigger group for a 1911.

If you don't know what you're doing, don't mess with a 1911.</div></div>

Bingo.

The only thing "drop in" on a 1911 might be grips....and even then you might need to do some fitting. <span style="font-size: 8pt">(and yes, I stole that from someone who knows a lot more about 1911's than me)</span>

 

[nw911guy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim D</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no such thing as a "drop in" trigger group for a 1911.

If you don't know what you're doing, don't mess with a 1911.</div></div>

Bingo.

The only thing "drop in" on a 1911 might be grips....and even then you might need to do some fitting. <span style="font-size: 8pt">(and yes, I stole that from someone who knows a lot more about 1911's than me)</span> </div></div>

The grips thing is so very true to.

 

[buggsb]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biglou13</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i'm relatively novice but wasn't born yesterday. and realize "drop in" = may need some stroking. but thanks for the canned answer.

nw i've heard the same. have you "dropped" one in? and which kit? </div></div>

Unfortunatly the advice you have already received is not just a "canned answer"...and "some stroking" when it comes to the fire control system is best left to those who know exactly how and how much to "stroke". There are very few "drop in" parts for a 1911...especially when you are talking of the fire control system. Improperly "dropping in" parts can result in a firearm with serious safety issues.

The closest thing to what you are looking for is the Cylinder and Slide fire control kit, consisting of the hammer, sear, disconnector and spring. These are some of the best quality CNC'd components available and I have them in my 1911's. That said, however these components still need to be fitted to the safety to ensure proper operation.

If money is no object, this is a great way to go. But, as has already been suggested here, as long as you have to go to a good gunsmith to fit the safety, you might as well have had him do the trigger job. A good 1911 gunsmith can give you a super feeling trigger in no time at all...for a fraction of the cost of the C&S parts alone.

 

[Downzero]

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I spent a few minutes "fitting" my grips earlier on the new gun I got yesterday.

I also had to diagnose a half cock notch that didn't work...on a new gun!

Needless to say, if you don't know wtf you're doing, stay the hell away from a 1911.

 

[biglou13]

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ive stoned a sear, hooks etce etc.. trigger job, in the past with appropriate tools marvel jig, stones etc etc. used crappy/cheap parts for practice and passed safety test, and went from junk to crisp light break. followed by single load,then double, before full mag.

why are so many afraid to learn how to and/or do a trigger job it isn't rocket science or brain surgery. between jerry k's books, web and/or some personal instruction, the proper tools, stones jig, etc good components, a trigger job can be done. its a skill that can be learned. a trigger job is not a mystery. smiths don't have some magic trigger dust, from namby pamby land that that makes a 1911 trigger function flawlessly.

sure safety is of utmost importance. that's why stone, test fit, safety check, stone, test fit, safety check... mantra is part of process. following proper algorithm one can perform trigger job safely.

reloading is dangerous too but...........

 

[nw911guy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biglou13</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i'm relatively novice but wasn't born yesterday. and realize "drop in" = may need some stroking. but thanks for the canned answer.

nw i've heard the same. have you "dropped" one in? and which kit? </div></div>

Lou, sorry didn't see your question before. No, I've never gone the drop-in route. I've had pretty good luck with picking and choosing stuff I wanted and going from there. And been fortunate that the grip safety has never required much tuning though, I'm usually too lazy to go to the trouble of sensitizing the grip safety. Some things definitely need to be present though. The proper tools and a very good understanding of how everything works and is supposed to fit together go a long ways. For someone that wants to learn it, find a cheap gun and use that as the "training" gun as it were.

One thing I can say is, don't try to re-use a factory Kimber sear spring if you've tried to tweak it to adjust things as it doesn't tend to hold the "set" very well.

 

[nw911guy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biglou13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive stoned a sear, hooks etce etc.. trigger job, in the past with appropriate tools marvel jig, stones etc etc. used crappy/cheap parts for practice and passed safety test, and went from junk to crisp light break. followed by single load,then double, before full mag.

why are so many afraid to learn how to and/or do a trigger job it isn't rocket science or brain surgery. between jerry k's books, web and/or some personal instruction, the proper tools, stones jig, etc good components, a trigger job can be done. its a skill that can be learned. a trigger job is not a mystery. smiths don't have some magic trigger dust, from namby pamby land that that makes a 1911 trigger function flawlessly.

sure safety is of utmost importance. that's why stone, test fit, safety check, stone, test fit, safety check... mantra is part of process. following proper algorithm one can perform trigger job safely.

reloading is dangerous too but...........

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+1 very well put.

 

[Downzero]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biglou13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive stoned a sear, hooks etce etc.. trigger job, in the past with appropriate tools marvel jig, stones etc etc. used crappy/cheap parts for practice and passed safety test, and went from junk to crisp light break. followed by single load,then double, before full mag.

why are so many afraid to learn how to and/or do a trigger job it isn't rocket science or brain surgery. between jerry k's books, web and/or some personal instruction, the proper tools, stones jig, etc good components, a trigger job can be done. its a skill that can be learned. a trigger job is not a mystery. smiths don't have some magic trigger dust, from namby pamby land that that makes a 1911 trigger function flawlessly.

sure safety is of utmost importance. that's why stone, test fit, safety check, stone, test fit, safety check... mantra is part of process. following proper algorithm one can perform trigger job safely.

reloading is dangerous too but...........

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If that's true, then you knew the answer before you even made this post.

Get whatever parts you want and fit them to your gun. It's a no brainer.

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

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If you still have all those tools then get the Ed Brown Sear, hammer etc and you'd be better off. What exactly are you trying to achieve with this trigger group? If you just want a lighter trigger get a reduced power mainspring, and tune the leaf spring to your desired pull. Like you said it's not rocket science or brain surgery, but it's not dropping an action into a stock either.

 

[1911jerry]

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A lot of the high end custom USPSA/IPSC gunsmiths use the C&S kits. Some other companies even repackage them under their own name with licencing agreements. They are a great set.

Jerry Snyder