New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

[High Binder]

So I was just informed that the in-laws are building me a 6.5 Grendel upper, they had to tell me because they wanted to know what options I wanted... I chose the 24" Alexander Arms barrel/bolt and JP everything else

Anyway, I've only ever loaded for bolt guns, mostly .308, So I have a few questions:

Outside of buying pre-loaded rounds can I buy bulk brass? Does anyone sell once-fired?

Can I really convert 7.62 x 39 to 6.5? Whats the process?

Is there anything tricky about loading for a semi-auto? I'm sure I have to load magazine length but are there any other hang ups?

Do pressure signs look the same as bolt gun pressure signs?

Are the chambers on AA barrels big like factor spec. or are the match chambers? I.e can I neck size or am I going to have to FL size every time?

Any good 123gr or other gr bullet combos that work well with Varget? Any other Varget bullet combos to get me started?

Whats a good realistic FPS I should expect to see? (FYI I have access to unlimited distance ranges so I tend to push the distance as far as possible. I get on paper with the .308 at 1300yrds (the paper is 3'x2' though lol.)

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[rasp65]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

SITD First of all you can get a lot of info here: http://www.65grendel.com/forum/ You can get Hornady, Lapua and AA brass. It is very hard to fine once fired although Les Baer had some a while ago. It is very easy to make 6.5Grendel cases out of 7.62x39, simply run them into a Grendel die. Then you will need to fireform them. The internal volume of the FF'd will be less so a reduction in the charge of 10% is recomended. The 762x39 cases also use a large primer where the Grendel cases use a small rifle primer. Once you start to see swipes on the case head or brass flow into the ejecter or extractor you are over pressure and it will render enlarged primer pockets killing the brass. Especially the Fireformed brass with the LP. Have not tried any 123 gr bullets yet. 120 SMK's work great I get 2500 fps with 31 gr of BLC2 in a Lapua case. I can only shoot out to 300 yds at our range but I hear of guys shooting beyond 1000 on the Grendel Forum. Good Luck

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rasp65</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SITD First of all you can get a lot of info here: http://www.65grendel.com/forum/ You can get Hornady, Lapua and AA brass. It is very hard to fine once fired although Les Baer had some a while ago. It is very easy to make 6.5Grendel cases out of 7.62x39, simply run them into a Grendel die. Then you will need to fireform them. The internal volume of the FF'd will be less so a reduction in the charge of 10% is recomended. The 762x39 cases also use a large primer where the Grendel cases use a small rifle primer. Once you start to see swipes on the case head or brass flow into the ejecter or extractor you are over pressure and it will render enlarged primer pockets killing the brass. Especially the Fireformed brass with the LP. Have not tried any 123 gr bullets yet. 120 SMK's work great I get 2500 fps with 31 gr of BLC2 in a Lapua case. I can only shoot out to 300 yds at our range but I hear of guys shooting beyond 1000 on the Grendel Forum. Good Luck </div></div>

Sweet, I'll sign up at that site now. Thanks for the info too!

 

[generalquark]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

Nice In-laws. I doubt you will have much luck finding once fired brass. Once it in a while it comes up on the 65grendel board, and once in a while on gunbroker.

 

[DHDeal]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

I have an AA Overwatch with the 24" barrel. I have found the AA data to be a little "faster" than my personal experience.

I have shot 107/120/123 SMK's, 108/123 Scenars, 120 NBT's, and a few 123 AMaxes. I've used AA2520, TAC, and last but not least IMR 8208 XBR. Only use AA brass which is Lapua.

I found that I had to check a few cases when setting up my FL die (Forster) to make sure they would chamber easily. I used a headspace gauge so I was able to know what fit and not guess. I found my chamber to be pretty tight, but I have never even handled another 6.5 Gren so YMMV.

To date 29.3 grn of 8208, 205M, and 107 SMK is a solid .6" ish performer @ 100 yards for 5. @ 300 yards I have found the 123's (SMK or Scenar) to be able to shoot into .7 moa for 5. Keep in mind I shot this from a not terribly stable rest and in a nice boiling mirage. I will take it to 600 yards in a few weeks.

My rifle is hard on the brass and have seen ejector marks from factory AA and Black Hills ammo with 123 Scenar and SMK respectively.

Again YMMV.

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have an AA Overwatch with the 24" barrel. I have found the AA data to be a little "faster" than my personal experience.

I have shot 107/120/123 SMK's, 108/123 Scenars, 120 NBT's, and a few 123 AMaxes. I've used AA2520, TAC, and last but not least IMR 8208 XBR. Only use AA brass which is Lapua.

I found that I had to check a few cases when setting up my FL die (Forster) to make sure they would chamber easily. I used a headspace gauge so I was able to know what fit and not guess. I found my chamber to be pretty tight, but I have never even handled another 6.5 Gren so YMMV.

To date 29.3 grn of 8208, 205M, and 107 SMK is a solid .6" ish performer @ 100 yards for 5. @ 300 yards I have found the 123's (SMK or Scenar) to be able to shoot into .7 moa for 5. Keep in mind I shot this from a not terribly stable rest and in a nice boiling mirage. I will take it to 600 yards in a few weeks.

My rifle is hard on the brass and have seen ejector marks from factory AA and Black Hills ammo with 123 Scenar and SMK respectively.

Again YMMV. </div></div>

Awesome, good feedback thanks!


I'm planning on just buying 2-3000 Laupa brass for this build as that should last the life of the barrel. Are your extractor marks really bad or are they gone once you FL? Do you think you could neck-size a few times before FL sizing? Any dented brass from the extraction process?

Is pre-loaded ammo always impossible to find? (I plan on loading from the start but in looking around I don't see any pre-loaded anywhere.

 

[DHDeal]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

My answers, not necessarily in your order

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I take it you meant 2-300 and not 2-3000?

Some of my brass has been fired twice, and some only once (I got a good deal on a pile of it), so case life is unknown.

Another poster mentioned reforming the 7.62x39 brass. On the site mentioned they go into detail about reforming, but one of the prefered brands (IMI) ain't easy to find either I think. I really think this cartridge was designed with the small PP for a reason. You ain't gettin' a battle rifle you know, so show it the respect it deserves and it is more likely to reward you. If you were to get the "reformers" to admit it, they would only use AA brass I bet

.

The ejector marks are there, but not bad. Like I said earlier, I get ejector marks even on the factory loaded ammo. I know Lapua will last and you can really lean on them, but with this type of a gas gun, I am not trying to turn it into a 6.5x47 Lapua!

I only FL size as I don't think neck sizing would work too well with my gun. They need to be FL sized to rechamber easily and I do not want them hard to chamber. I don't have to bump the shoulder but a .001" for them to feed well however.

I get a small dent on the case wall on everyone of them from the brass deflector. Small and of no importance to me. When my gun was new, the M4 feed ramp scratched the brass pretty good, but it calmed down after I broke it in. The brass will not look like it came out of a boltgun in my experience. Don't believe me? Then pick up a freshly fired/ejected piece with your lips

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Yep, or damn near it. When Les Baer gets the so called 264 LBC out in force, you will be able to get ammo from him, and Hornady is there too. I do not know the availability on either. I got 500 factory rounds with the rifle, so I don't go looking for it.

The factory AA and Black Hills (123 Scenar and SMK) both shoot very good, but I don't waste it. My handloaded ammo shoots better and I have more choices on bullets. I really like the 107 SMK, but the 108 Scenar will shoot as well for more $$.

My advice is try the 107 smk, 205M, 29 - 29.5 grns 8208XBR, seated as long as the mag will allow, and see how well it shoots.

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I take it you meant 2-300 and not 2-3000? </div></div>

Nope 2000-3000 That way I'll have enough to last the life of the barrel.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you were to get the "reformers" to admit it, they would only use AA brass I bet

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LOL so true, I was really only asking for information not becasue I wanted to do it. Plus I already have 6000 F205 primers that I need to kill off so the Lapua stuff is going to be the ticket.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I only FL size as I don't think neck sizing would work too well with my gun. They need to be FL sized to rechamber easily and I do not want them hard to chamber. I don't have to bump the shoulder but a .001" for them to feed well however.</div></div>

10-4 on that, I have never reloaded for an AR application so I'm on the learning curve.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I get a small dent on the case wall on everyone of them from the brass deflector. Small and of no importance to me. When my gun was new, the M4 feed ramp scratched the brass pretty good, but it calmed down after I broke it in. The brass will not look like it came out of a boltgun in my experience. Don't believe me? Then pick up a freshly fired/ejected piece with your lips

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Yep, or damn near it. When Les Baer gets the so called 264 LBC out in force, you will be able to get ammo from him, and Hornady is there too. I do not know the availability on either. I got 500 factory rounds with the rifle, so I don't go looking for it.

The factory AA and Black Hills (123 Scenar and SMK) both shoot very good, but I don't waste it. My handloaded ammo shoots better and I have more choices on bullets. I really like the 107 SMK, but the 108 Scenar will shoot as well for more $$.

My advice is try the 107 smk, 205M, 29 - 29.5 grns 8208XBR, seated as long as the mag will allow, and see how well it shoots. </div></div>

Sounds good to me thanks for all the info. I'll order up some of the 107s and 108s and see how they shoot. I already shoot 155 Palmas in my 308 and love their performance so I can only imagine the performance of the 108s. I ran the numbers through Sierra Infinity and am still dumb-stuck at how well they do out to 1500 yards. Thanks again for the info!

 

[DHDeal]

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Let me know how it works for you. I really feel my rifle will do better than it is doing, but it comes down to bench technique and dealing with the forearm and butt on bags. EGW makes an attachment for shooting from a rest, btu I am spending my $ elsewhere. I just mounted a NF 5.5-22x 50 on it yesterday so I'll see soon what it can do. Before I had a Leu Mk4 4.5-14 on it. I have shot it with a Harris and it will consistantly shoot under an moa, but where I shoot most has a concrete bench and, well you get the picture.

This round can get over the top on pressure fast, so I bump up the charge in .2 increments. I don't want to test the strength of the gun.

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I just mounted a NF 5.5-22x 50 on it yesterday so I'll see soon what it can do. Before I had a Leu Mk4 4.5-14 on it. I have shot it with a Harris and it will consistantly shoot under an moa, but where I shoot most has a concrete bench and, well you get the picture.
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You're going to love the 5.5-22NXS That's what I have atop my .308 and love it. I use Harris Swivel/podlock when I'm on the ground but when shooting from the bench for load development I try to use bags, it's just more stable for me at least and makes my rounds easier to spot.

I'm a little worried about my lower though, it's a pre-clinton ban Bushmaster with a stock trigger and the trigger blows hard! I figured I'd order the drop in Geissel 2 stage but I'm not sure if even adding a better trigger will give me more solid patterns. With the stock trigger I shoot shotgun pattens and at the range I like to shoot that's no bueno.

Here's a pic of the longest range I have access to, it's unlimited. You can't really make it out in the pic but there are targets lined up along that road all the way out to 1300 yards.

 

[Adician]

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Jealous does not even begin to describe my feelings towards your range SITD.

 

[DHDeal]

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Yeah, that is nice. We have those things called trees every 6 steps or so.

I have had the NF for 3 years already, and picked up my second one yesterday. Same same, but the new one has the zero stop on it. I use the NPR2 reticle. I don't range much and don't need all the clutter in the scope. It's those trees again.

I would not by 2-3000 pieces if it were me. IMO, an even grand should last a barrel or two.

My rifle has the LW barrel on it. Cleans up fast and shoots great I think. I have seen individual groups @ .5", but it and me can do .6"ish consistantly.

The 123's shoot well @ 100, but they shine @ 300. I really believe there is something to the "bullet going to sleep" theory, but what do I know.

Now my 308, it is the shit. Robert Gradous built it back in March. Surgeon RSR, Krieger HVR 1-10, MCM A5, Jewell, Badger M4, NF 5.5-22. It changed my whole outlook on accuracy. Shoots everything from 155-190 in a hole. It flat don't care what I feed it except for AMAXes. Well, no great loss there as I have many 167 Scenars which I takes to like crack to a crackhead.

Wish I had a place to shoot like that, except for the little breeze I am sure blows every few weeks there

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Oh yeah, watch out for the cactus!

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adician</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jealous does not even begin to describe my feelings towards your range SITD. </div></div>

If you ever make it to this side of the CONUS look me up and I'll be glad to take you out there.

Here's another one I frequent:

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Oh yeah, watch out for the cactus! </div></div>

DHD what is an LW barrel (light weight)?

Well I'll order up some 123s also to go with the 107 and 108s and see how they fly. I tend to get a lot of brass because I shoot so often (3-4 times a week). I have found that early morning and late evening the wind dies down to nothing but that's also when the rain comes.

DHD have you found you ever tried different barrels/twist rates and if so what did you think? Do you like a single stage or 2 stage trigger?

P.s. the cactus is the main reason I built the bench lol, that shit sticks to everything even my truck tires have thorns in em.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have an AA Overwatch with the 24" barrel. I have found the AA data to be a little "faster" than my personal experience.

I have shot 107/120/123 SMK's, 108/123 Scenars, 120 NBT's, and a few 123 AMaxes. I've used AA2520, TAC, and last but not least IMR 8208 XBR. Only use AA brass which is Lapua.

I found that I had to check a few cases when setting up my FL die (Forster) to make sure they would chamber easily. I used a headspace gauge so I was able to know what fit and not guess. I found my chamber to be pretty tight, but I have never even handled another 6.5 Gren so YMMV.

To date 29.3 grn of 8208, 205M, and 107 SMK is a solid .6" ish performer @ 100 yards for 5. @ 300 yards I have found the 123's (SMK or Scenar) to be able to shoot into .7 moa for 5. Keep in mind I shot this from a not terribly stable rest and in a nice boiling mirage. I will take it to 600 yards in a few weeks.

My rifle is hard on the brass and have seen ejector marks from factory AA and Black Hills ammo with 123 Scenar and SMK respectively.

Again YMMV.</div></div>

Wow, Your's sounds almost exactly like mine did before I sold it. I got it simply to test out the 6.5 Grendel. And for it's purpose I felt it did what they said. Mine was incredibly accurate too. Some loads going in the .3's and some spreading out to the almost 1" mark. But, for the most part tighter groups were the norm.


SITD,

Personally, I think you are getting about the most optimum package for that round.

As noted all it takes is sizing 7.62 in a Grendel die and then fireforming it. However, while you have reduced capacity you also have brass that needs to get pushed out to the walls of the chamber. I know it was suggested to reduce by 10%, but don't. You won't get fully fireformed cases. The brass takes up a lot of the pressure. And you will find your velocity is way down. It's just like taking any parent case with a full load and putting it through an Ackley chamber. A full power load is needed. Preferably with quick powder.

It is true that with the 7.62 you will use large primers. They ignite the powder stack a little quicker. So the load workups are a little different. Use the Wolf reload guide for those.

On a semi-auto rifle you have two main paramaters you need to work within. First is too high of pressure in the case. This has shown to break bolts. Newer bolts I understand are a little stronger. I've heard of using a longer barrel extension so the lugs on the bolt can be made longer. I haven't personally seen of one. The second issue is loading slower powders. You may get too high of pressure at the port. What that does is start to unlock your bolt a shade too early and you find a bulge at the base of your cases. This could have been solved by using a longer gas path, but AA wants to keep with the original design. One gas tube length for all, carbine or rifle length. That's for commonality of loads.

In that regard, don't push it pressure-wise and don't use slower powders (even lighter loads). Stick with the reload guides and you get what you get. This rifle is definitely about letting the bullet do the work. Use the right bullet and you're GTG.

My best load for velocity was with the 2520. In the lightweight bullets TAC worked well. Also H4895 and a lower dose of AA2015

-good luck

Edit:

The cactus sometimes sucks. I went antelope hunting in '95 and put my whole right shin on a patch. So, that year, instead of going elk hunting I ended up in the emergency room twice. And, unable to go out and hunt...that really sucked. I had cactus thorns coming out of my leg for 3-4 years after that. I don't know why they don't break down.

 

[DHDeal]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

SITD,
Lowther Walther. It ain't a light weight thats for sure.

 

[rasp65]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My answers, not necessarily in your order

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Another poster mentioned reforming the 7.62x39 brass. On the site mentioned they go into detail about reforming, but one of the prefered brands (IMI) ain't easy to find either I think. I really think this cartridge was designed with the small PP for a reason. You ain't gettin' a battle rifle you know, so show it the respect it deserves and it is more likely to reward you. If you were to get the "reformers" to admit it, they would only use AA brass I bet

.

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DHD As a "reformer" i am reformed. You are correct that I would rather use Lapua brass. When I first got into the Grendel last year I could not find any AA brass. My local toy store had brand new W-W 7.62x39 brass for $.30 each. Then when ammo started going crazy they decided to raise the price to $.50 at that price it is not worth it. What I learned fireforming is 26 grn of TAC with a Speer 120 SP got 2200 fps from my 18". 27.5 grn enlarged the primer pocket severly limiting the life of the case. So stick with the Lapua's you wont be disappointed. And SITD you will have to let us know how far your Grendel will shoot.

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I had cactus thorns coming out of my leg for 3-4 years after that. I don't know why they don't break down. </div></div>

Did the thorns make it all the way through? I have heard that thorns will gradually work their way all the way through a persons (whatever) and come out the other side..

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rasp65</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And SITD you will have to let us know how far your Grendel will shoot. </div></div>

Will do. The parts are ordered and then it's off to the smith to be put together and after a few load development sessions I'll start working on a the dope. Looks like it's still supersonic to 1600yrds so I'll go for that range and let you know.

 

[DHDeal]

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Remember to put a few fence posts out there to help break up the "breeze". I hear it helps.......

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I had cactus thorns coming out of my leg for 3-4 years after that. I don't know why they don't break down. </div></div>

Did the thorns make it all the way through? I have heard that thorns will gradually work their way all the way through a persons (whatever) and come out the other side..</div></div>

Yes, I even got poked when pulling one out the back of my calf. It was still about 1/8" when I got it out. I've had swelling in my right lower leg ever since then. Sometimes I think when I get a small festering on my leg I still think it's a cactus thorn working it's way out.

FWIW, when I went into the emergency room my leg had swollen to about twice it's normal size. They found several tips that went about 1/4". With the swelling puffing my leg out, they went about 1/2"-3/4" deep. Two lengths of the doctors scalpel. The second time we went in they didn't find anything but he did chase down a couple more holes. Of all things I finally got the swelling down by using a Ceyenne pepper poultice. I was pretty doubtful it would work. But it drained in one big gush. Two weeks of anti-inflammtory meds didn't even touch it.

I will strongly avoid doing that ever again! That was such a pain in the ass to deal with. Stick with the bench.

 

[rasp65]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

Bill Alexander recomends using blue loctite to bed the barrel into the upper(not the barrel nut) and under the gas block because of the extra torque from the barrel when fired.

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rasp65</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Will do. The parts are ordered and then it's off to the smith to be put together and after a few load development sessions I'll start working on a the dope. Looks like it's still supersonic to 1600yrds so I'll go for that range and let you know. </div></div>
Bill Alexander recomends using blue loctite to bed the barrel into the upper(not the barrel nut) and under the gas block because of the extra torque from the barrel when fired. </div></div>

Ah, that's good to know but really, no barrel nut?

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
FWIW, when I went into the emergency room my leg had swollen to about twice it's normal size. They found several tips that went about 1/4". With the swelling puffing my leg out, they went about 1/2"-3/4" deep. Two lengths of the doctors scalpel. The second time we went in they didn't find anything but he did chase down a couple more holes. Of all things I finally got the swelling down by using a Ceyenne pepper poultice. I was pretty doubtful it would work. But it drained in one big gush. </div></div>

I had to look it up: <span style="font-style: italic">"A poultice for arthritis and rheumatism is made with : One part cayenne pepper, equal parts mullein leaves and slippery elm powder, cider vinegar to dampen the mixture"</span>

DAMN!! I was hoping that was an urban legend. That's bad. I usually wear boots and snake gaiters thinking that snakes are going to be my biggest problem, now I've gotta watch out for the cactus as well.

 

[sandwarrior]

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Where I was at in Montana there is a ton of rattlesnakes. But, fortunately, not the aggressive kind. The cactus on the other hand is bad. Prickly pear mostly and all over the place. You need a thick pair of boots. And definitely, definitely... look before you kneel.

The antelope was pretty nice though. His horns were about 16 1/2" from base measured along the horn to the tips. He wasn't any record book buck, but he was the best one I shot.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where I was at in Montana there is a ton of rattlesnakes. But, fortunately, not the aggressive kind. The cactus on the other hand is bad. Prickly pear mostly and all over the place. You need a thick pair of boots. And definitely, definitely... look before you kneel.

The antelope was pretty nice though. His horns were about 16 1/2" from base measured along the horn to the tips. He wasn't any record book buck, but he was the best one I shot.</div></div>

Edit:

Oh yeah, I pretty much felt it was urban legend too when I tried it. But having gone through three different anti-inflammatory meds and having my leg up, and on ice, still not much doing, I was ready to try anything.

 

[rasp65]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Ah, that's good to know but really, no barrel nut? </div></div>
Yes use the barrel nut but don't loctite it.

 

[High Binder]

Re: New 6.5 Grendel on its way need some input

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rasp65</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Ah, that's good to know but really, no barrel nut? </div></div>
Yes use the barrel nut but don't loctite it. </div></div>

10-4 thanks! Thought it sounded weird