New Arch Bishop of Canterbury in UK - The first "female..."

Fx51LP308

Old Salt
Full Member
Minuteman
  • Apr 8, 2021
    3,764
    5,592
    Tampa Bay, FL

    Apparently, the Church of England has a new Arch Bishop of Canterbury. And for the first time, it's a female. I have no idea who she is yet, but if she's anything like the arch bishop that spoke on the morning of Pres. Trump's 2nd inauguration, we are in some serious trouble.

    Already, there is a serious schism ripping apart the Anglican Communion. The US based "Anglican" church has split from the "US Episcopal" church (in which I was raised) due to Episcopal policies such as LGBTQ clergy, etc. I truly hope this new Arch Bishop doesn't fan those flames, or we might never be united again.
     
    the Church of England

    The very name of the church tells you who that church actually belongs to.
    It belongs to the government of England.
    It was literally formed so that the King at that time could be the head of his own church so he could do what he wanted.

    Take a look at how the governments have gone and you'll see it's very much a continuation of the same old rule where the king supports the official state church and the official state church supports the king.

    Those types of churches are all over Europe unfortunately and as such whatever they preach is what the ruling powers at the time want them to do.
     
    It’s a religion, not a church, just like most of them.

    No God in religion, no religion in God.
    Amen.

    There is truth taught by great, original, men. when they leave, lesser men take over, and subvert the truth of the teacher with dogma and lies. Often the great men distill the truth as they want to secure control. Read the history of Martin Luther. He hung people. IIRC John Calvin put them in metal cages.

    Faith and fury: Martin Luther’s advocacy for violence​


    Martin Luther is widely recognized for his theological breakthroughs and his role in reshaping Christianity. However, alongside his reformist ideals lies a deeply troubling aspect of his legacy: his calls for violence against various groups, often coupled with graphic descriptions of torture and brutal punishments. These views, especially as Luther’s influence grew, reflect not only his theological convictions but also his increasing radicalization in later years.

    Hanging of two people, detail from a fresco in Sant' Anastasia in Verona, by Pisanello, 1436–1438.
    Hanging of two people, detail from a fresco in Sant’ Anastasia in Verona, by Pisanello, 1436–1438. Martin Luther endorsed hanging and many other forms of execution for various groups he deemed heretical or immoral. Source: Wikimedia Commonsꜛ (license: CC BY-SA 4.0)

    Targets of Luther’s violencePermalink

    Luther’s calls for violence were not limited to Jews or peasants, groups he infamously condemned. His vitriol extended to several other categories of people, including heretics, Anabaptists, and even fellow Protestants who diverged from his theological interpretations.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: TheHorta
    The very name of the church tells you who that church actually belongs to.
    It belongs to the government of England.
    It was literally formed so that the King at that time could be the head of his own church so he could do what he wanted.

    Take a look at how the governments have gone and you'll see it's very much a continuation of the same old rule where the king supports the official state church and the official state church supports the king.

    Those types of churches are all over Europe unfortunately and as such whatever they preach is what the ruling powers at the time want them to do.
    He wanted to marry after he was divorced and had his former wife, Ann Bolyn, executed so he wouldnt be married anymore. Nice fellow.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: BCP and Im2bent
    He wanted to marry after he was divorced and had his former wife, Ann Bolyn, executed so he wouldnt be married anymore. Nice fellow.

    We learned this (well not an acronym but you get the idea) in HS Engllish Lit:
    "Wedded, Beheaded, Died.... Wedded, Beheaded, Survived" Wedded = "Divorced"

    Thus, "Catherine of Aaragon - Wedded/divorced"
    " Ann Bolyen - Beheaded"
    Jane Seymour Died on her own accord
    Ann of Cleaves Wedded/Divorced"
    Catherine Howard - Beheaded"
    Catherine Parr (6th) Surived Him.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: W54/XM-388
    Amen.

    There is truth taught by great, original, men. when they leave, lesser men take over, and subvert the truth of the teacher with dogma and lies. Often the great men distill the truth as they want to secure control. Read the history of Martin Luther. He hung people. IIRC John Calvin put them in metal cages.

    Faith and fury: Martin Luther’s advocacy for violence​


    Martin Luther is widely recognized for his theological breakthroughs and his role in reshaping Christianity. However, alongside his reformist ideals lies a deeply troubling aspect of his legacy: his calls for violence against various groups, often coupled with graphic descriptions of torture and brutal punishments. These views, especially as Luther’s influence grew, reflect not only his theological convictions but also his increasing radicalization in later years.

    Hanging of two people, detail from a fresco in Sant' Anastasia in Verona, by Pisanello, 1436–1438.' Anastasia in Verona, by Pisanello, 1436–1438.
    Hanging of two people, detail from a fresco in Sant’ Anastasia in Verona, by Pisanello, 1436–1438. Martin Luther endorsed hanging and many other forms of execution for various groups he deemed heretical or immoral. Source: Wikimedia Commonsꜛ (license: CC BY-SA 4.0)

    Targets of Luther’s violencePermalink

    Luther’s calls for violence were not limited to Jews or peasants, groups he infamously condemned. His vitriol extended to several other categories of people, including heretics, Anabaptists, and even fellow Protestants who diverged from his theological interpretations.

    Just like any proper South American or African banana republic "revolution" and I might add almost just like what went down with our "founding fathers"

    The "freedom loving revolutionaries" eventually become the new tyrants in charge and start doing all the same stuff.

    The "Reformation" in Europe mostly was just replacing the Roman Catholic Church as the State religion, with a new more local State Religion with a new boss and slightly different teachings and such, but all the same tyranny and brutality and oppression as before.

    "Protestants" like to point fingers at how brutal and evil the Catholics were, but they usually forget to look in the mirror at their own history...
     
    • Like
    Reactions: Maggot

    SarahMullally.png
     
    • Like
    Reactions: 10ring'r
    A little "inside baseball" -- The Archbishop of Catebury is a "First among Equals" in the Anglican Church an thus really only represents England and not the Anglican (aka "The colonies" lol) church as a whole. It is NOT the equivalent of a pope. In fact the other conferences are in the midst of telling England to get their stuff together and get back in step with the rest of "The Church" (aka the other Anglican Churches). You see that in America as the Episcopalians ("The liberal side") and the Anglicans ("The Conservative side") split about 15 years ago with the Anglicans joining with the South America and Africa Anglicans in a majority conservative block. That conservative block is hammering on the Episcopalians and Church of England to come back to the fold. But because America and England--all you hear about is the Archbishop of Canterbury or Episcopalians.

    We still pray that our brothers and sisters come back to the word. This is happening in most dennominations and is not unique to Anglicans.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: Fx51LP308
    A little "inside baseball" -- The Archbishop of Catebury is a "First among Equals" in the Anglican Church an thus really only represents England and not the Anglican (aka "The colonies" lol) church as a whole. It is NOT the equivalent of a pope. In fact the other conferences are in the midst of telling England to get their stuff together and get back in step with the rest of "The Church" (aka the other Anglican Churches). You see that in America as the Episcopalians ("The liberal side") and the Anglicans ("The Conservative side") split about 15 years ago with the Anglicans joining with the South America and Africa Anglicans in a majority conservative block. That conservative block is hammering on the Episcopalians and Church of England to come back to the fold. But because America and England--all you hear about is the Archbishop of Canterbury or Episcopalians.

    And the Archbishop of York, as well. I'm not sure how much of a say they have, but...

    We still pray that our brothers and sisters come back to the word. This is happening in most dennominations and is not unique to Anglicans.

    Correct. I always referred to the entirety of all the conferences together as the "Anglican Communion." Just not so "communion-like" these days. And, while I have rather strong roots in the US Episcopal Church (choir member, acolyte and, at one point, the head Sacristan and Dir. of acolytes for my College congregation), I'm giving very strong consideration to re-affirming as a "US Anglican" for the obvious reasons. I don't mind female clergy at all. I do mind LGBTQ clergy of either gender and/or the tolerance thereof. It's quite painful, actually. Being a choir member at my old church was sort of like being a US Marine for life. No matter where you were in life, our choirmaster would always welcome you to come and sing with the choir whenever you visited. The "institutional knowledge/memory" of that choir is phenomenal. He was a music teacher by trade, so it made a lot of sense. And he kept things that way up until the point where the Church vestry decided they wanted to "merge" the male and female choirs. He despised that. He much preferred the purity of the separate choir voices. He elected to retire from he Church and took all the male choir members with him. He passed away in 2002. He was a "surrogate father" of sorts. I still miss his teachings to this very day. He did get the chance to become a deacon in that Church before he left. I wonder what he might think of what's going on today. I'm sure he's turning over in his grave, now.

    Anyway, I'll see how things go and make a decision to re-affirm shortly.