New Barnes bullets

[Mr.Kirk]

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/01/barnes-offers-new-match-and-hunting-bullets-for-2011/
Has anyone had a chance to play w/ the new match burner pills prior to release?
Is there any word about BC?

 

[vman]

Re: New Barnes bullets

Havnt had a chance to play with them, but even If i did my feelings are that Sierra, Lapua and Hornady are ahead of the rest of the game when it comes to match projectiles.

I think they would be great for those that use Barnes bullets for hunting purposes and are familiar with them.

 

[fish30114]

Re: New Barnes bullets

I've always thought the idea of a mono for match bullet is a good idea, no jacket to get out of balance with a core...don't know why it's bad in any way--the lighter weight and higher BC things due to increased lenght appeals to me too, but I have to admit I don't know enought about that whole weight/bc/length thing to really make good decisions about it...

 

[longshooter70]

Re: New Barnes bullets

The way I understand it, these are not solid copper. They are lead core just like the SMK and AMAX. Midsouth has the 155 Palma and 175 Match listed but not in stock. The prices are cheaper than the SMK's and on par with the AMAX.

 

[aaronraby1]

Re: New Barnes bullets

175 gr .30 cal.
265gr for .338 lapua...

ehhhh...

seems light but i read somewhere that the length of the lead frees and something else, i dont know, somehow it creates a high bc.

 

[Mr.Kirk]

Re: New Barnes bullets

I think that I remember hearing that Barnes used to manufacture the bullets that berger now makes. Maybe they have exceeded some kind of contract to not build match bullets for an agreed on time period. I have had some pretty good shooting loads w/ the tripple shock bullets and would like to see some match bullets from barnes. I'm looking forward to playing w/ the 140grn 6.5mm and 82grn .224s.
I had the light bullet fast twist thing explained to me, but was drunk. It's something to do w/ the contact surface. I'm drunk again, so fuck it.
My gunsmith just ordered some new hybrid bullets from Berger that are supposed to be doing a lot of winning.
Hope some of these new bullets make me look good this year!

 

[vman]

Re: New Barnes bullets

Guns and alcohol dont mix

Hahahaha

 

[fish30114]

Re: New Barnes bullets

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshooter70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The way I understand it, these are not solid copper. They are lead core just like the SMK and AMAX. Midsouth has the 155 Palma and 175 Match listed but not in stock. The prices are cheaper than the SMK's and on par with the AMAX. </div></div>
Look at the link, Solid Copper, modeled after the TSX.

Barnes never made any Berger bullets, different entities completely. This just looks to be the next market for Barnes, now owned by big green, and the lighter weights are due to being all copper. Longer bullets at same weight--I do not know enough about weight versus length, but several mfgs. have said with 100% copper bullets, you can go to a lighter weight and keep same/similar BC's due to their length.

 

[longshooter70]

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As per phone call with Barnes this morning, these are JACKETED with a lead core for the match burner bullets. The other solids are patterned after the TSX. Barnes stated they have no published BC's for the match burners yet but they will just before they are released in April. Their phone number is: 435-856-1000.

 

[frankythefly]

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Any update on the BC? I see they are listed on midwayusa but still no BC info. Seems kind of strange how would they design and build a bullet, then release the bullet but still not have a BC?

I am thinking of just purchasing some of these and do the math myself.

 

[EXSOCAL]

Re: New Barnes bullets

Straight from the horse's mouth:

.308 CAL

175 Barnes Match Burner - .521 BC

155 Barnes Match Burner - BC testing currently underway...

I called yesterday and that was the scoop I got.

 

[pjparker]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guns and alcohol dont mix

Hahahaha </div></div>


Tastes like hell and you can't get it to ignite!

 

[frankythefly]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SOCAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Straight from the horse's mouth:

.308 CAL

175 Barnes Match Burner - .521 BC

155 Barnes Match Burner - BC testing currently underway...

I called yesterday and that was the scoop I got. </div></div>

Thanks,
I think I may pick some of these up and give them a try.

 

[yagermyster]

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I just bought the 171 Gr Barnes Match Burner bullets in .284. I will post the results ASAP. As of now, I have been using 162 GR A-Max with great results. .510 3-shot group @ 350 yards. Hopefully I will be able to reproduce that kind of performance w/the Barnes Match Burners. I will let you know.

 

[Helmet]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yagermyster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just bought the 171 Gr Barnes Match Burner bullets in .284. I will post the results ASAP. As of now, I have been using 162 GR A-Max with great results. .510 3-shot group @ 350 yards. Hopefully I will be able to reproduce that kind of performance w/the Barnes Match Burners. I will let you know. </div></div>I'm curious about them. If you get a chance can you measure them and tell me how long they are on average?

 

[yagermyster]

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My micrometer is at another location, so I will have to go by the look of it. The Amax appears to be about 1-1.5 mm longer than the MB. Not a significant length difference at all. I thought that was a bit odd, considering the MB are 9 grains heavier. However, the Amax has a polymer tip, which contributes very little weight but about 1/8 of an inch length. If you were to take the tip off the Amax, the MB would be 3-3.5 mm longer than the Amax. The boat-tail of the MB is a bit longer and more aggressive. Bearing surface appears the same, so my 1-9 barrel should be enough to settle it. I am looking to push the MB to about 2850ish. That is what I had my Amax loads going and I was getting great results. I will report back what I find when I actually begin developing and shooting these. Stay tuned.

[img:left]http://www.flickr.com/photos/79513696@N02/7287303982/in/photostream/[/img]

 

[Helmet]

Re: New Barnes bullets

The picture was very helpful. Thanks.
The polymer tip is factored into the length for necessary twist. Not only will your 1-9"twist stabilize it, but it will actually spin it faster than the 162 Amax. If two bullets are the same length the lighter one actually requires more twist. The reason heavier bullets usually require more twist is because they are usually longer. This is why a long lead-free bullet requires so much twist (long+light). A 9.5"twist would be the minimum to stabilize the 162 Amax so you have plenty.
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi
Both bullets look like they with have the same amount in the case when seated the same distance from the lands.
You have several good bullets you can use in a 284. I'm just using a 7mm08 so I don't have the horsepower you do to push them. I wanted a 284, but I was getting a barrel for a short action and the 284 seemed a little cramped. Do you have a long action?

 

[Helmet]

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No need to measure. I emailed Barnes last week and got a reply today. I had asked about the lengths of their 6mm and 7mm Match Burners.
Their reply:
The 6mm 68 gr. MB is .842" and the 105 gr. is 1.199", the 7mm 171 gr. MB is 1.416" long. I am requesting we put the lengths of the bullets on our site.

 

[yagermyster]

Re: New Barnes bullets

I have had the chance to handload the 171 GR Barnes Match Burner with my 7mm Rem Mag and have had good results. I decided to use the same seating depth as my most accurate Amax loads as a starting point. With 63 GR of H4831 and once fired brass I get about 2915 FPS with the chrony. I get an avg of 2883 fps from new brass and the same variables. Accuracy was promising as well. I shot two .3 inch groups at 100 yards. Groups swelled to .9 at 200 yards. Like I stated previously, they are just a bit shorter in length than the 162 GR Amax (prob about 1 mm) but the boattail is more pronounced--perhaps making it a bit more efficient than the Amax. I haven't decided yet, but after I use up all the Barnes, I might jump to the 180 GR Berger. More as it comes.

 

[yagermyster]

5 years later! I have an update. So after working on the MB load in 2012, I (for some dumb reason) decided to try out the 180 Berger VLD. Bad idea. I worked on that load for over two years and never got it under 1/2 MOA. For $55/box I finally abandoned that projectile. I don't think my 1-9 Shilen could produce enough twist.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to get back to the accuracy of my AMax loads (consistently .2 MOA). Only problem was that Hornady discontinued them. So I decided to go to the ELD-X 162 GR hoping it was the same profile as the AMax. Wrong. It's a completely different bullet. I dialed up a mediocre recipe for it and called it good. That was in 2016.

Enter present day 2017 and I have decided to use the MB again and try and dial it down. With a comparator, my ogive is 2.708 inches. My rifle seems to prefer that length. After going to the range a couple weeks ago, I worked up to 62.5 GR H4831 SC and found 3 rounds in the same hole (.2 MOA) and the other two half an inch away. I thought that was puzzling. In addition, velocities were all over the place. I'm going to go to 63 GR and see what happens. Anyone still watching??