New barrel brake in
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Re: New barrel brake in
I broke in my Bartlien by shooting about 30 rounds and lightly cleaning it. 1 patch of shooters choice. patch till dry. I'm close to 1k on this barrel and haven't cleaned it since. I pull a bore snake through it every 1-200 rounds.
No offense to Mr. Tubb, but I wouldn't let those "break in bullets" close to my rifle. It is hand lapped. If it is a factory barrel I might think about it if I couldn't get it to act right.
I was at 100yds a couple hundred rounds ago and it shot in the .3's
Just shoot it and don't touch it. This ain't BR.
Good Luck
I broke in my Bartlien by shooting about 30 rounds and lightly cleaning it. 1 patch of shooters choice. patch till dry. I'm close to 1k on this barrel and haven't cleaned it since. I pull a bore snake through it every 1-200 rounds.
No offense to Mr. Tubb, but I wouldn't let those "break in bullets" close to my rifle. It is hand lapped. If it is a factory barrel I might think about it if I couldn't get it to act right.
I was at 100yds a couple hundred rounds ago and it shot in the .3's
Just shoot it and don't touch it. This ain't BR.
Good Luck
Re: New barrel brake in
My method:
1. Chamber a round.
2. Send it downrange.
3. Cycle bolt.
4. See step 1.
Continue until out of ammo.
Barrel break in is nothing more than a myth.
My method:
1. Chamber a round.
2. Send it downrange.
3. Cycle bolt.
4. See step 1.
Continue until out of ammo.
Barrel break in is nothing more than a myth.
Re: New barrel brake in
I was given advise several months ago that proved to be useful. It was quoted from several rifle manufacturers.
-1 shot
-Clean the bore (brush, patch with Hoppe's no. 9, dry patchs until you get a clean patch)
-Repeat for a total of 20 rounds.
-2 shots
-Clean the bore
-Repeat for another 20 rounds
READ THE ARTICLE BELOW AND DON'T DO THIS!
I was given advise several months ago that proved to be useful. It was quoted from several rifle manufacturers.
-1 shot
-Clean the bore (brush, patch with Hoppe's no. 9, dry patchs until you get a clean patch)
-Repeat for a total of 20 rounds.
-2 shots
-Clean the bore
-Repeat for another 20 rounds
READ THE ARTICLE BELOW AND DON'T DO THIS!
Re: New barrel brake in
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1562996&nt=2&page=1
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1562996&nt=2&page=1
Re: New barrel brake in
The tubb product works for what its made for. to get the rough spots out of a cheap barrels fast. So if you want to get your remington 710 shooting to its peak in 1 box of shells it is a wonderful product.
its also good for people who think minute of deer is good shooting
The tubb product works for what its made for. to get the rough spots out of a cheap barrels fast. So if you want to get your remington 710 shooting to its peak in 1 box of shells it is a wonderful product.
its also good for people who think minute of deer is good shooting
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jrb572, I read that entire post. I'm glad I did. I won't be "breaking-in" any more barrels. It just goes to show that multiple sources of information are extremely important.
jrb572, I read that entire post. I'm glad I did. I won't be "breaking-in" any more barrels. It just goes to show that multiple sources of information are extremely important.
Re: New barrel brake in
You knew this was coming.
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You knew this was coming.
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Re: New barrel brake in
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TalkingBush</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You knew this was coming.
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The gentleman in that video is a member here. His SN is "NOBODY". He doesn't post here anymore, or at least I've haven't seen him on here recently.
Yea barrel break in is a waste of ammo, time, patches and solvent.
I've seen shooters "break in" a HAND LAPPED match barrel... you guys believe that? Geez.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TalkingBush</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You knew this was coming.
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The gentleman in that video is a member here. His SN is "NOBODY". He doesn't post here anymore, or at least I've haven't seen him on here recently.
Yea barrel break in is a waste of ammo, time, patches and solvent.
I've seen shooters "break in" a HAND LAPPED match barrel... you guys believe that? Geez.
Re: New barrel brake in
What barrel?
Rough Factory one? Yes, and depending on how bad it is you might need to do a fair few round.
Easy enough to "feel" when it's comming on.
Quality barrel? Not likely. Just see how it feels when you clean it but very few need it.
Without this VERY clear distinction any input means little
I would not use lapping or fire lapping unless I had no other options and it was that or dump it.
What barrel?
Rough Factory one? Yes, and depending on how bad it is you might need to do a fair few round.
Easy enough to "feel" when it's comming on.
Quality barrel? Not likely. Just see how it feels when you clean it but very few need it.
Without this VERY clear distinction any input means little
I would not use lapping or fire lapping unless I had no other options and it was that or dump it.
Re: New barrel brake in
The more you ram a cleaning rod down the bore the more chance you have of screwing it up. Bores are made for shooting bullets, not having cleaning rods constantly pushed down them. Just take the rifle out and shoot it and don't mess with it unless it has a definite and repeatable problem that isn't related to the shooter (which is virtually none of the time on most rifles I've seen).
The more you ram a cleaning rod down the bore the more chance you have of screwing it up. Bores are made for shooting bullets, not having cleaning rods constantly pushed down them. Just take the rifle out and shoot it and don't mess with it unless it has a definite and repeatable problem that isn't related to the shooter (which is virtually none of the time on most rifles I've seen).
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My advice is, to just shoot the gun
1) Give the barrel its INITIAL clean to remove oils from factory and and metal shavings, rust etc... yes i said rust... factory barrels come with rust sometimes
2) oil the barrel and push our excess with a patch... i personally dont use oils, i use Smooth-kote moly but thats just me and it works for me.
3) send a few rounds down the barrel
4) check to see if its fouling badly
5) either way keep shooting
my next piece of advice is to GET A CLEANING ROD GUIDE and a one piece rod...
I cant believe it when i see guys at the range smashing their cleaning rods down the barrels without a rod guide... thats the best way to frak up a good barrel.
If you dont believe me, or for your comfort, my .308 Remington 700 Police is not even a year old, has had less than 1000 rounds down the tube, but id say close to 800 at last count... I have cleaned her less than 5 times in that span.
She currently shoots about .4MOA, but i have had a 0.175 MOA group as my best when conditions were good and i did my part.
Barrel break in can kiss my ass
My advice is, to just shoot the gun
1) Give the barrel its INITIAL clean to remove oils from factory and and metal shavings, rust etc... yes i said rust... factory barrels come with rust sometimes
2) oil the barrel and push our excess with a patch... i personally dont use oils, i use Smooth-kote moly but thats just me and it works for me.
3) send a few rounds down the barrel
4) check to see if its fouling badly
5) either way keep shooting
my next piece of advice is to GET A CLEANING ROD GUIDE and a one piece rod...
I cant believe it when i see guys at the range smashing their cleaning rods down the barrels without a rod guide... thats the best way to frak up a good barrel.
If you dont believe me, or for your comfort, my .308 Remington 700 Police is not even a year old, has had less than 1000 rounds down the tube, but id say close to 800 at last count... I have cleaned her less than 5 times in that span.
She currently shoots about .4MOA, but i have had a 0.175 MOA group as my best when conditions were good and i did my part.
Barrel break in can kiss my ass
Re: New barrel brake in
Good advice so far.
Premium barrels don't need it and may respond poorly to it.
That Savage probably would, but don't go overboard. Break-in just gets the throat smoother sooner, beyond that, there's no real need; it all just happens anyway.
I would limit my break-in to one, or at most two, 20rd boxes of commercial basic (American Eagle, Rem/UMC, Wolf, Prvi Partisan, etc.) ammo, and concentrate mostly on gently soaking out what copper deposits occur. Five minutes per soak at most, don't throw a lot of time at this.
Once the copper fouling declines significantly you're done, and if it takes much more than 20 rounds, you're done whatever the patch says; 40 is way more than enough.
Shoot one, clean one for 5, maybe 10, then 5rd groups for the remainder.
Don't get wrapped around these kinds of axles.
As for regular cleaning; I do. Not so mouch about accuracy as about preventing pitting from prolonged exposure of fouling to air and moisture.
If it's gonna be put up for more than two or three weeks, do the responsible thing and remove the bulk of the fouling, then give the bore a decent preservative coat of a good gun oil. It's just plain old simple good preventive maintenance.
Greg
Good advice so far.
Premium barrels don't need it and may respond poorly to it.
That Savage probably would, but don't go overboard. Break-in just gets the throat smoother sooner, beyond that, there's no real need; it all just happens anyway.
I would limit my break-in to one, or at most two, 20rd boxes of commercial basic (American Eagle, Rem/UMC, Wolf, Prvi Partisan, etc.) ammo, and concentrate mostly on gently soaking out what copper deposits occur. Five minutes per soak at most, don't throw a lot of time at this.
Once the copper fouling declines significantly you're done, and if it takes much more than 20 rounds, you're done whatever the patch says; 40 is way more than enough.
Shoot one, clean one for 5, maybe 10, then 5rd groups for the remainder.
Don't get wrapped around these kinds of axles.
As for regular cleaning; I do. Not so mouch about accuracy as about preventing pitting from prolonged exposure of fouling to air and moisture.
If it's gonna be put up for more than two or three weeks, do the responsible thing and remove the bulk of the fouling, then give the bore a decent preservative coat of a good gun oil. It's just plain old simple good preventive maintenance.
Greg
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I agree with greg, i clean purely from a preservative point if the gun has had a solid day at the range
I will run a brush down the bore after every mega session at the range, or if the weather was cruddy.
Then i push a moly-coated bore mop down the barrel to just give it a nice coat and thats it
If i were to ever store my rifle for a long period of time without use, I would clean it and oil and grease it to prevent rust.
Thats it
I agree with greg, i clean purely from a preservative point if the gun has had a solid day at the range
I will run a brush down the bore after every mega session at the range, or if the weather was cruddy.
Then i push a moly-coated bore mop down the barrel to just give it a nice coat and thats it
If i were to ever store my rifle for a long period of time without use, I would clean it and oil and grease it to prevent rust.
Thats it
Re: New barrel brake in
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The more you ram a cleaning rod down the bore the more chance you have of screwing it up. Bores are made for shooting bullets, not having cleaning rods constantly pushed down them. Just take the rifle out and shoot it and don't mess with it unless it has a definite and repeatable problem that isn't related to the shooter (which is virtually none of the time on most rifles I've seen).
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Anyone stupid enough to clean as you say is likely too stupid to use a gun in a safe manner.
Cleaning properly will NOT harm a bore. Rough factory barrels "gain" something, some custom barrels will also "gain" something. Treating every barrel differently gets the best results. If that's too much work or complicated then don't bother. Best to be accurate in what you are saying though
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The more you ram a cleaning rod down the bore the more chance you have of screwing it up. Bores are made for shooting bullets, not having cleaning rods constantly pushed down them. Just take the rifle out and shoot it and don't mess with it unless it has a definite and repeatable problem that isn't related to the shooter (which is virtually none of the time on most rifles I've seen).
</div></div>
Anyone stupid enough to clean as you say is likely too stupid to use a gun in a safe manner.
Cleaning properly will NOT harm a bore. Rough factory barrels "gain" something, some custom barrels will also "gain" something. Treating every barrel differently gets the best results. If that's too much work or complicated then don't bother. Best to be accurate in what you are saying though
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FYI,
NOBODY doesn't post here anymore because Frank BANNED him.
Hope that clears things up.
N
FYI,
NOBODY doesn't post here anymore because Frank BANNED him.
Hope that clears things up.
N
Re: New barrel brake in
im currently running a lowly remington 700 and when i purchased it last year i broke it in by the fire 1 and clean for the first 20 than 5 and 10 and 20 does it work all i know is for what i have it is a sub moa rifle is that from the break in i dont know i belive break in is like driving a porsche at 175 mph in a snow storm
and saying sh$% id better put my seatbelt on
its all perception
im currently running a lowly remington 700 and when i purchased it last year i broke it in by the fire 1 and clean for the first 20 than 5 and 10 and 20 does it work all i know is for what i have it is a sub moa rifle is that from the break in i dont know i belive break in is like driving a porsche at 175 mph in a snow storm
and saying sh$% id better put my seatbelt on
its all perception
Re: New barrel brake in
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrel break in is nothing more than a myth.</div></div>
I would agree 1000% but who am I ?
<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrel break in is nothing more than a myth.</div></div>
I would agree 1000% but who am I ?
<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black Ops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrel break in is nothing more than a myth.</div></div>
I would agree 1000% but who am I ?
<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span> </div></div>
LOL... one of the best rifle builders alive today?... but that's all
But yea, I don't think you need to do anything but shoot the thing...
Jake
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black Ops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrel break in is nothing more than a myth.</div></div>
I would agree 1000% but who am I ?
<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span> </div></div>
LOL... one of the best rifle builders alive today?... but that's all
But yea, I don't think you need to do anything but shoot the thing...
Jake
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I use this method personally:
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Here's what I don't understand... why do the guys at Krieger Barrels push the break in procedure so strongly on their products?
When I ordered my last barrel from them, they not only mentioned the importance of following the procedure to me over the phone, but included a printout of it with the barrel. Here's a link to that procedure on their site for those of you that would like to take a look. http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm
I use this method personally:
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Here's what I don't understand... why do the guys at Krieger Barrels push the break in procedure so strongly on their products?
When I ordered my last barrel from them, they not only mentioned the importance of following the procedure to me over the phone, but included a printout of it with the barrel. Here's a link to that procedure on their site for those of you that would like to take a look. http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm
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A lot of "enlightened" and experienced folks have wildly differing opinions on this subject. So, that should tell you something right off the bat. The barrels I buy are hand-lapped. So, if I have to do a lot of breaking in, someone didn't give me all the lapping I paid for.
There is no better way to break in a barrel than shooting a bullet down the bore. If you really feel like you have to "break it in," then my suggestion is simply clean the barrel a little more regularly in the beginning.
Now I do think it takes a "few rounds" before most barrels are shooting their best. But I don't think any elaborate break-in process changes much in that regard.
Problem with most opinions is nobody takes the time to back them up with real research. The few folks I've seen who did study this subject found "break-in" is a myth.
A lot of "enlightened" and experienced folks have wildly differing opinions on this subject. So, that should tell you something right off the bat. The barrels I buy are hand-lapped. So, if I have to do a lot of breaking in, someone didn't give me all the lapping I paid for.
Now I do think it takes a "few rounds" before most barrels are shooting their best. But I don't think any elaborate break-in process changes much in that regard.
Problem with most opinions is nobody takes the time to back them up with real research. The few folks I've seen who did study this subject found "break-in" is a myth.
Re: New barrel brake in
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black Ops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrel break in is nothing more than a myth.</div></div>
I would agree 1000% but who am I ?
<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span> </div></div>
Quality barrels are lapped.
Factory are not.
We know lapping does "something".
"Running in" a factory barrel also does "something" without taking the risk most would if they tried to lap a barrel.
I don't think there is any argument lapping/having a "smooth" barrel is a good thing and helpful for accuracy over a large round counts.
I don't see how we can have one thing for quality barrels but say it's not relevant for factory.
Fixed round count XX over XX processes are idiotic. The actual theory is not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black Ops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrel break in is nothing more than a myth.</div></div>
I would agree 1000% but who am I ?
<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span> </div></div>
Quality barrels are lapped.
Factory are not.
We know lapping does "something".
"Running in" a factory barrel also does "something" without taking the risk most would if they tried to lap a barrel.
I don't think there is any argument lapping/having a "smooth" barrel is a good thing and helpful for accuracy over a large round counts.
I don't see how we can have one thing for quality barrels but say it's not relevant for factory.
Fixed round count XX over XX processes are idiotic. The actual theory is not.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Volatile</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use this method personally:
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Here's what I don't understand... why do the guys at Krieger Barrels push the break in procedure so strongly on their products?
When I ordered my last barrel from them, they not only mentioned the importance of following the procedure to me over the phone, but included a printout of it with the barrel. Here's a link to that procedure on their site for those of you that would like to take a look. http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm </div></div>For business, when you shove a cleaning rod down your barrel more than you shoot rounds, you will more than likely tear it up. It keeps them in business by relying on the ignorance and myths some people believe. Barrel accuracy degrades = More business for Kreiger
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Volatile</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use this method personally:
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Here's what I don't understand... why do the guys at Krieger Barrels push the break in procedure so strongly on their products?
When I ordered my last barrel from them, they not only mentioned the importance of following the procedure to me over the phone, but included a printout of it with the barrel. Here's a link to that procedure on their site for those of you that would like to take a look. http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm </div></div>For business, when you shove a cleaning rod down your barrel more than you shoot rounds, you will more than likely tear it up. It keeps them in business by relying on the ignorance and myths some people believe. Barrel accuracy degrades = More business for Kreiger
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how bout tha hybrid , break in bullets,didnt some tubb guy make some of these??.."that is humor..sorta" lets throw a curve ball into tha discussion
how bout tha hybrid , break in bullets,didnt some tubb guy make some of these??.."that is humor..sorta" lets throw a curve ball into tha discussion
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