New barrel = new recoil lug?

[thefitter]

A smith I'm considering having do my new barrel has recommended a new recoil lug. Now I can't put an after market one on my factory 700 because it's in a AICS so he is recommending a factory recoil lug that has been "ground true".

Thoughts? Comments?

Thanks!

 

[patriotoutlaw]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

On my Rem. builds I always have a HD recoil lug installed. Milling out the slot in the stock could be necessary for it to fit.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

i agree with the trued lug if you cant get oversized. more will chime in on the AICS aspect. mark gordon at short action customs just built an AICS build, you might search him out on here and ask him. plenty of AICS guys here, one will chime in soon.

 

[buffybuster]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

As a last resort you can used a ground OEM lug, but it's very simple operation with a mill to open up the AICS stock for a thicker lug. Just take the skins off and put in the mill.

 

[notquiteright]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

Fitter-
are you a benchrest shooter?
Have you fired this rifle before turning it over to this smith?
What group size you wanting?
Just so hot do you load your ammo?

You can buy anything you want for your rifle. Lots of guys have a super tricked out rifle just like many have super tricked out cars.

Personaly a smith would have to SHOW me just how messed up my factory recoil lug is first, like a mechanic working on my car show me the part he wants to monkey with needs monkeying.

If your acey stocked rifle is a 308 I'd be so blasphemous to suggest a recoil lug really isnt needed! If the action is bedded or nestled all snug in a stock like your acey one the recoil forces are not great and the bedding/action screws can suck it up.

But I dont get out much

 

[300sniper]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A smith I'm considering having do my new barrel has recommended a new recoil lug. Now I can't put an after market one on my factory 700 because it's in a AICS so he is recommending a factory recoil lug that has been "ground true".

Thoughts? Comments?

Thanks! </div></div>

at an absolute minimum i would have the factory lug surface ground flat and parallel. it is probably easier to just buy a new lug from pacific tool and gauge. you can get one up to a .25" thick and have your smith machine the bottom off of it so it fits the aics. you could get a thicker lug if you wanted and have your smith machine the bottom off of it and machine the FRONT of the aics lug recess.

 

[300sniper]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notquiteright</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fitter-
are you a benchrest shooter?
Have you fired this rifle before turning it over to this smith?
What group size you wanting?
Just so hot do you load your ammo?

You can buy anything you want for your rifle. Lots of guys have a super tricked out rifle just like many have super tricked out cars.

Personaly a smith would have to SHOW me just how messed up my factory recoil lug is first, like a mechanic working on my car show me the part he wants to monkey with needs monkeying.

If your acey stocked rifle is a 308 I'd be so blasphemous to suggest a recoil lug really isnt needed! If the action is bedded or nestled all snug in a stock like your acey one the recoil forces are not great and the bedding/action screws can suck it up.

But I dont get out much

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having a parallel recoil lug has more to do with the fit between the barrel shoulder and receiver face than the fit in the stock. no way in hell i would run even a .308 without some form of recoil control between the receiver and stock, whether that be dowels, washer style lug or receiver glued in. screws are not enough.

 

[SDWhirlwind]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

300sniper-You know you don't know as much as notquiteright, the 700 was designed with it so Remington could sell another part...sheeeesshh

Can't believe some of the shit that is posted here anymore. I have never made a suggestion or recommendation that I can't prove won't work or didn't work from personal experience. The "I thinks", "It mights", "It outta's" are the poorest and most irresponsible dumb assed responses. Guess it must be to get another post or feel warm and fuzzy. Oh, and when they are sarcastic and arrogant that is better yet!!!!

Now, I have measured and reused numerous factory lugs and have never been able to blame the recoil lug for any issues. PTG/Kiff makes a nice factory thickness lug also, think they call it .185". Most factory lugs seem to measure .187-.188ish. Callahan which is sold by Midway is I believe made by Kiff also for them???? Have used 2-3 of them and they have measured out perfect. YMMV.

Oh, 300....."I think" you should send me a barreled action of yours for testing. Small caliber preferred and stock appreciated buy optional. Let me know.

 

[thefitter]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300sniper-You know you don't know as much as notquiteright, the 700 was designed with it so Remington could sell another part...sheeeesshh

Can't believe some of the shit that is posted here anymore. I have never made a suggestion or recommendation that I can't prove won't work or didn't work from personal experience. The "I thinks", "It mights", "It outta's" are the poorest and most irresponsible dumb assed responses. Guess it must be to get another post or feel warm and fuzzy. Oh, and when they are sarcastic and arrogant that is better yet!!!!

Now, I have measured and reused numerous factory lugs and have never been able to blame the recoil lug for any issues. PTG/Kiff makes a nice factory thickness lug also, think they call it .185". Most factory lugs seem to measure .187-.188ish. Callahan which is sold by Midway is I believe made by Kiff also for them???? Have used 2-3 of them and they have measured out perfect. YMMV.

Oh, 300....."I think" you should send me a barreled action of yours for testing. Small caliber preferred and stock appreciated buy optional. Let me know.

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So just use the currant one?

 

[300sniper]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

personally, i think you are wasting your money truing the action if you are going to use an unground factory lug. having a flat/parallel recoil lug is part of having a trued receiver. your smith is recommending it and i would bet he is more than capable of making a .186" ptg lug fit the aics without much trouble.

in the end, it's your money. if you don't understand the theory behind truing actions, have your smith explain to you why and what is done and why he feels that a new lug should be used.

 

[BigMahi]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

Yes you can use the lug you already have. Don't be detracted by the debate whether you should use a Remington factory lug or get a new one, with equal numbers of supporters and detractors on each side.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

IF you use the current one, have the smith machine it flat and true. and look into the cost of the one 300 mentioned as it may be better and easier and possibly cheaper

 

[thefitter]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IF you use the current one, have the smith machine it flat and true. and look into the cost of the one 300 mentioned as it may be better and easier and possibly cheaper </div></div>

The smith already has a trued Remington lug ready to install in place of mine. He wants $40. Which is chump change if it actually helps anything.

He recommended it instead of milling out the frame of the chassis.

Thanks

 

[SDWhirlwind]

Re: New barrel = new recoil lug?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300sniper-You know you don't know as much as notquiteright, the 700 was designed with it so Remington could sell another part...sheeeesshh

Can't believe some of the shit that is posted here anymore. I have never made a suggestion or recommendation that I can't prove won't work or didn't work from personal experience. The "I thinks", "It mights", "It outta's" are the poorest and most irresponsible dumb assed responses. Guess it must be to get another post or feel warm and fuzzy. Oh, and when they are sarcastic and arrogant that is better yet!!!!

Now, I have measured and reused numerous factory lugs and have never been able to blame the recoil lug for any issues. PTG/Kiff makes a nice factory thickness lug also, think they call it .185". Most factory lugs seem to measure .187-.188ish. Callahan which is sold by Midway is I believe made by Kiff also for them???? Have used 2-3 of them and they have measured out perfect. YMMV.

Oh, 300....."I think" you should send me a barreled action of yours for testing. Small caliber preferred and stock appreciated buy optional. Let me know.

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So just use the currant one? </div></div>

Well not until it is proven to be true and parallel! My comment about factory lugs is that while I haven't personally had any issues with them or using them it doesn't mean they all are correct and as should be. I do my own work on rigs for yotes and pdogs and really don't give a rats butt if I miss occassionally, gives me another reason to shoot again. Shooting it matches or competitions is a whole nother ball game! Did find a bent one on a rebuilt 40-X 22/250AI by a prominent west MT smith. However I surely can't prove nor will insinuate that it left his place of business that way. I bought the gun from the owner via consignment so who knows!!!!! As 300sniper has stated, trust your smith and if you don't want to spring for a new one don't just throw the factory lug back on until it is measured. Remember your smith's reputation is on the line also. Been down that road many times in my life, the 'cheap bastard' will always contract alzheimers and forget who's idea it was when it DOESN'T work!!!!! As he stated you are doing everything possible to build an accurate rifle so don't 'cheap' on the cheapest part! HTH

Respectfully,
Dennis