Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Try RL22 or 25. Im using 65gr of RL22 and getting just over 2950fps.
Try RL22 or 25. Im using 65gr of RL22 and getting just over 2950fps.
New GAP 7 WSM and USO
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Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyking</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is weird that your speeds are so slow. Are you jumping those Bergers or jamming them?</div></div>
I'm jumping them .020 because of the mag.
And I have some RL-22 so I will give that a try.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyking</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is weird that your speeds are so slow. Are you jumping those Bergers or jamming them?</div></div>
I'm jumping them .020 because of the mag.
And I have some RL-22 so I will give that a try.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Nothing will outshine '22.
Don't fret vertical until you've fouled the bore,forget cleaning and pay attention to the chronograph.
I'm curious why you'd build a rifle that had a .020" leap inherent,from mag confines?
Nothing will outshine '22.
Don't fret vertical until you've fouled the bore,forget cleaning and pay attention to the chronograph.
I'm curious why you'd build a rifle that had a .020" leap inherent,from mag confines?
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
He didnt build the rifle, GAP did. It was a ready to go rifle GAP listed in the for sale section.
He didnt build the rifle, GAP did. It was a ready to go rifle GAP listed in the for sale section.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FreshKills</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't fret vertical until you've fouled the bore,forget cleaning and pay attention to the chronograph.
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no kidding
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FreshKills</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't fret vertical until you've fouled the bore,forget cleaning and pay attention to the chronograph.
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no kidding
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
My bad.
Why wouldn't one confirm throat/mag confine harmony,prior to cutting the check on a Custom build?
My bad.
Why wouldn't one confirm throat/mag confine harmony,prior to cutting the check on a Custom build?
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
I would get the bottom metal changed out to a Seekins WSM DMS, 3.165" OAL in the mag.
I would get the bottom metal changed out to a Seekins WSM DMS, 3.165" OAL in the mag.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dpreston</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FreshKills</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't fret vertical until you've fouled the bore,forget cleaning and pay attention to the chronograph.
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no kidding </div></div>
As opposed to (10) one shot groups,as a load "determination",factored upon their vertical dispersion.
For starters and humor reiteration.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dpreston</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FreshKills</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't fret vertical until you've fouled the bore,forget cleaning and pay attention to the chronograph.
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no kidding </div></div>
As opposed to (10) one shot groups,as a load "determination",factored upon their vertical dispersion.
For starters and humor reiteration.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Oh and before you waste too much money on Berger 180's, try some 162 A-Max's over 65gr of RL22 and seat them just to the lands, dont jam them into the lands. With that load, I get 1/2 to 3/4 moa at 1K.
Oh and before you waste too much money on Berger 180's, try some 162 A-Max's over 65gr of RL22 and seat them just to the lands, dont jam them into the lands. With that load, I get 1/2 to 3/4 moa at 1K.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would get the bottom metal changed out to a Seekins WSM DMS, 3.165" OAL in the mag. </div></div>
I'm a fan of Glen's metal,which would curtail my buying a longthroated/short COAL Custom,that mandated a DBM swap to sing. Which was the point.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would get the bottom metal changed out to a Seekins WSM DMS, 3.165" OAL in the mag. </div></div>
I'm a fan of Glen's metal,which would curtail my buying a longthroated/short COAL Custom,that mandated a DBM swap to sing. Which was the point.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
anyone happen to know if seekins dbm has the same footprint as the badger so it would be a quick swap?
anyone happen to know if seekins dbm has the same footprint as the badger so it would be a quick swap?
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
I tried out RL-22 tonight and it pushed just over the 2900 mark with 65 grains. Still no sign of pressure. 64, 64.5, and 65 were within 1 inch at 400 yards. It's probably not worth the fuss to try some RL-25 for that extra 50-75 fps. The RL-22 looks very promising.
I tried out RL-22 tonight and it pushed just over the 2900 mark with 65 grains. Still no sign of pressure. 64, 64.5, and 65 were within 1 inch at 400 yards. It's probably not worth the fuss to try some RL-25 for that extra 50-75 fps. The RL-22 looks very promising.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
I believe the Seekins foot print is "thinner" than the Badger. The other issue is they don't seem to be available on a regular basis. I think they are worth waiting for as it is just what the WSM needs for the Berger VLD's. Glen could tell you for sure.
I believe the Seekins foot print is "thinner" than the Badger. The other issue is they don't seem to be available on a regular basis. I think they are worth waiting for as it is just what the WSM needs for the Berger VLD's. Glen could tell you for sure.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Seekins vs Badger are very different when installing them into a stock. It would have to go back to GAP most likely
Seekins vs Badger are very different when installing them into a stock. It would have to go back to GAP most likely
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Not the same footprint, but can be done. And Glen said the 5 rounders are almost ready, waiting on coating and assembly.
The rear bottom of the feed port (on the action) needs to be machined a little bit. Send the bottom metal and rifle to GAP, Im sure they can get it fitted in no time.
Not the same footprint, but can be done. And Glen said the 5 rounders are almost ready, waiting on coating and assembly.
The rear bottom of the feed port (on the action) needs to be machined a little bit. Send the bottom metal and rifle to GAP, Im sure they can get it fitted in no time.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Very nice rifle!
f.w.i.w...
In my GAP 7Wizzer, I'm running moly'ed 162 AMaxs from a Wyatt's box & M4 bottom metal. 2.975" feeds with room to spare & touches the lands. Already considered an upgrade to Seekins DMS in the future, as I like it well enough on my .243. Maybe when this current barrel goes south, but until then I'll survive...
Might could get more from '22, but I'm settled in at just under 3K from a 1:9" twist, 24" Broughton with 64.0gr H4831SC...
Looking forward to see how yours continues to shake out with RL-22. Its a beaut!
Very nice rifle!
f.w.i.w...
In my GAP 7Wizzer, I'm running moly'ed 162 AMaxs from a Wyatt's box & M4 bottom metal. 2.975" feeds with room to spare & touches the lands. Already considered an upgrade to Seekins DMS in the future, as I like it well enough on my .243. Maybe when this current barrel goes south, but until then I'll survive...
Might could get more from '22, but I'm settled in at just under 3K from a 1:9" twist, 24" Broughton with 64.0gr H4831SC...
Looking forward to see how yours continues to shake out with RL-22. Its a beaut!
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
I like the 162 at 3100fps+ via '22 in my 24-inchers.
I like the 162 at 3100fps+ via '22 in my 24-inchers.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice rifle. Try RL-25, that should give you the velocity your looking for.
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William is correct 66-67 grains of RL 25 or so, should net you closer to 2900
The Load you are using 64 grains of 4831 SC gets me 2880 in a 26 " barrel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice rifle. Try RL-25, that should give you the velocity your looking for.
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William is correct 66-67 grains of RL 25 or so, should net you closer to 2900
The Load you are using 64 grains of 4831 SC gets me 2880 in a 26 " barrel
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
63.4g of 22 out of a 27" Kreiger, chambered by Moon, yields me a 2935 average @ 2000 elev and 65 deg temp.
63.4g of 22 out of a 27" Kreiger, chambered by Moon, yields me a 2935 average @ 2000 elev and 65 deg temp.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Well before I go out and buy some RL-25, does it really make that much difference pushing them at 2850-2875 as opposed to 2950? Trying to weigh out my pros and cons here because it showed some really good potential with RL-22 when I pushed it up to 2850.
And again, this will mainly be used for hunting and possibly a match or two until my other build comes in.
So anyone that has some insight to sway me one way or the other would be appreciated.
Well before I go out and buy some RL-25, does it really make that much difference pushing them at 2850-2875 as opposed to 2950? Trying to weigh out my pros and cons here because it showed some really good potential with RL-22 when I pushed it up to 2850.
And again, this will mainly be used for hunting and possibly a match or two until my other build comes in.
So anyone that has some insight to sway me one way or the other would be appreciated.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
No, 2850 will kill just fine
i shot my biggest buck with a 180g vld at a measly 2850fps at 500yds, wouldnt of mattered if it was that speed or 3k.
that load will also be great for matches and do just fine
No, 2850 will kill just fine
i shot my biggest buck with a 180g vld at a measly 2850fps at 500yds, wouldnt of mattered if it was that speed or 3k.
that load will also be great for matches and do just fine
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Dont bother buying 25 if you have 22 on hand. It will do just fine.
Dont bother buying 25 if you have 22 on hand. It will do just fine.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont bother buying 25 if you have 22 on hand. It will do just fine. </div></div>
Good to know
FK, good to know as well since I shoot a lot of 22 and don't have any 25 for the 7 BAT that's coming.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont bother buying 25 if you have 22 on hand. It will do just fine. </div></div>
Good to know
FK, good to know as well since I shoot a lot of 22 and don't have any 25 for the 7 BAT that's coming.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
I use 65gr of 22 for both 180's and 162's. They both seem to love that load.
I use 65gr of 22 for both 180's and 162's. They both seem to love that load.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
Thanks for all the info guys. This helped out a lot.
Thanks for all the info guys. This helped out a lot.
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
when i did the ladder test my 7wsm hotter loads actually hit lower than the middle loads. is this normal?
when i did the ladder test my 7wsm hotter loads actually hit lower than the middle loads. is this normal?
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
dpreston,
thanks for the post. I was thinking of getting the same. What is the barrel profile, why did you decide to go with 7mm WSM, and how do you find the overall weight?
dpreston,
thanks for the post. I was thinking of getting the same. What is the barrel profile, why did you decide to go with 7mm WSM, and how do you find the overall weight?
Re: New GAP 7 WSM!! Ladder Test Update (6-13-10)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sideshowbob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dpreston,
thanks for the post. I was thinking of getting the same. What is the barrel profile, why did you decide to go with 7mm WSM, and how do you find the overall weight?
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the barrel is a medium palma if I remember correctly. I went with the 7 wsm because the ballistics are phenomenal. A 180gr berger VLD flying at 2950 hits with authority. I hit a steel groundhog target at 900 yards and flipped it into the air 3 feet.
The overall weight is good. One of my lighter rifles coming in at 12 pounds. It doesnt recoil at all, and I dont have any problem carrying it around all day. Cant wait to test it out next month on some mulies and pronghorn!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sideshowbob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dpreston,
thanks for the post. I was thinking of getting the same. What is the barrel profile, why did you decide to go with 7mm WSM, and how do you find the overall weight?
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the barrel is a medium palma if I remember correctly. I went with the 7 wsm because the ballistics are phenomenal. A 180gr berger VLD flying at 2950 hits with authority. I hit a steel groundhog target at 900 yards and flipped it into the air 3 feet.
The overall weight is good. One of my lighter rifles coming in at 12 pounds. It doesnt recoil at all, and I dont have any problem carrying it around all day. Cant wait to test it out next month on some mulies and pronghorn!
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