New LR shooter

[Will Todd]

How's every one doing today? It's a beautiful day here in Austin TX! I'm a bit of a newby to the long range aspect of firearms but have been around them my whole life. Right now I only have a Springfield xd40 tactical (with a very high round count) and will be purchasing my first GOOD long range rifle soon. I'm on a pretty tight budget so was leaning towards a Remington 700 sps tactical chambered in .308 with an SWFA SS 10X42 fixed optic. I have a few questions:

1. What is the accurate range of the sps tacs out of the box (removing shooter ability from the equation)?

2. I would like to be able to shoot a range of 30-40 yards out to maximum effectiveness of the rifle. Would the 10x42 be a good choice for this? If not, what would you recommend?

3. (a little off subject) I have gotten pretty consistent with the .40 out to 25 yards but recently have been having accuracy problems with the gun. Could this be due to the high round count (about 5000 rounds on one barrel)?

I appreciate any information and suggestions that you can give me!

 

[remau308]

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You will not be disappointed in your Remington 700 SPS Tactical decision. I have seen my friend punch a hole 0.05" center-to-center 3-shot group at 100yards completely stock with a bipod and Nikon on top. It will be a great shooter, but I wouldn't waste the expensive .308 ammo on any less than 100 yards and it even feels like a waste sometimes at that short a distance unless you're sighting. You might want to consider a 17HMR or 22lr if you are staying within 500yards for now since the ammo is so cheap. Just my opinion.

 

[Quickdraw40]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
3. (a little off subject) I have gotten pretty consistent with the .40 out to 25 yards but recently have been having accuracy problems with the gun. Could this be due to the high round count (about 5000 rounds on one barrel)?
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5,000 rounds through a pistol is nothing. I used to shoot 2,000 rds a month when shooting IPSC seriously. Accuracy drop off must be something else.

 

[Will Todd]

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Nice! I'm planning on taking this rifle out to its maximum range once i feel comfortable at shorter distances with it. Plus, I would also be using this for feral hog hunting so a 22 or 17 would be undesirable for this purpose. I had a nylon66 growing up and have shot more 22 rounds than I could count. I have also shot out at 500 yards a few times and was on paper consistently with friends rifles but I want tight groups and intimate familiarity with my own weapon. Ultimately, I plan to customize the rifle with the addition of an HS precision stock (absolutely LOVED my friends pss) and some sort of barrel upgrade.

 

[Quickdraw40]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
2. I would like to be able to shoot a range of 30-40 yards out to maximum effectiveness of the rifle. Would the 10x42 be a good choice for this? If not, what would you recommend?
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I think the 10x is a good choice for man size targets, but the 16x is better for small targets. YMMV

 

[Will Todd]

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5,000 rounds through a pistol is nothing. I used to shoot 2,000 rds a month when shooting IPSC seriously. Accuracy drop off must be something else. [/quote]

Any ideas? I've been shooting federal 165 fmj through it almost exclusively. I did try some winchester hollow points 180gr but it didn't like those for some reason...

 

[Will Todd]

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I think the 10x is a good choice for man size targets, but the 16x is better for small targets. YMMV [/quote]

Would 16x be too much for the shorter ranges for say, a feral hog? Really, I don't plan to use it against anything smaller than a young hog. On the other end of that question, would the 10x be effective against a young hog out to say, 700yds?

 

[Quickdraw40]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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I think the 10x is a good choice for man size targets, but the 16x is better for small targets. YMMV [/quote]

Would 16x be too much for the shorter ranges for say, a feral hog? Really, I don't plan to use it against anything smaller than a young hog. On the other end of that question, would the 10x be effective against a young hog out to say, 700yds? [/quote]

I like my 16x SS. For a small hog, you would have to know how to see the object then bring the scope up to your eye or visa versa. If you try and find it in the 16x FOV, you will be very fustrated.

 

[Quickdraw40]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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5,000 rounds through a pistol is nothing. I used to shoot 2,000 rds a month when shooting IPSC seriously. Accuracy drop off must be something else. [/quote]

Any ideas? I've been shooting federal 165 fmj through it almost exclusively. I did try some winchester hollow points 180gr but it didn't like those for some reason... [/quote]

Clean it, then trigger control. Good luck.

 

[Will Todd]

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it gets cleaned every other time I take it out which is usually about 3 or 4 times a month. Like I said, I have been pretty consistent with it up until about the last three times I took it out. It has been getting worse also... perhaps its me but I think it is more the gun. may invest in a new trigger group from springer precision soon.

 

[Quickdraw40]

Re: New LR shooter

When you say cleaned it, do you mean field strip and wipe down or completely disassemble and detail clean? My idea was, maybe, grit in the trigger group.

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

it gets field stripped every other outing but once a month or so I completely tear it down and give it a solid bath. I had just taken it down completely and given it the ringer before the last time I took it out and it was the worst it has been.

 

[TonyAngel]

Re: New LR shooter

My XD has something around 30,000 rounds through it. I don't think it's the gun, unless you fiddled with something.

I started out with an SPS Tactical myself. Mine shot great, other than the copper fouling problem I was having, but stock barrels will do that. If you're planning on doing a bunch of upgrading, you might be better of just buying a cheap ADL or something and working with that.

A brand new SPS Tactical is going to run you around $600. Depending on what barrel you go with, figure around $600 for the barrel/installation. Another couple hundred for an HS Precision pull off stock and a few hundred for bottom metal and another hundred for a trigger. You could save enough going with an ADL to pay for the stock and trigger.

Or...you can just get the SPS Tactical and shoot it. In any case, the SPS Tactical is just fine out of the box, inspite of all of the criticism that everyone throws at it due to the stock and trigger.

I started with an SPS and shot plenty of .2 and .3" groups at 100 yards with it, with the occassional group at .1" and under. I'm now running a 22" Krieger barrel, HS Precision stock, Wyatt's bottom metal and a Timney trigger. I'm still shooting .2 and .3" groups, but I don't have to de-copper every 40 rounds. I've put three hundred rounds down the pipe without cleaning without a noticeable decrease in accuracy.

I do have to qualify my claims of those groups that I shot. I'm running a 22X scope and shooting off of a bench most of the time, when I'm shooting for groups during load development. As long as I don't have the shakes from a hangover, it's kind of hard to miss.

 

[Will Todd]

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yeah im wanting to go with something thats pretty accurate and comfortable out of the box because it's going to be a while before i start modifying it. If i were to straight off start changing stuff up, I would probably get something like an ADL or the likes but I want a rifle that will give me some quality like it comes for now. I'm going to have to go back out to the range with a buddy of mine that has had some great groups with the xd to see if it is just me or something that I may have done during that last complete take down.

 

[winxp_man]

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Here is what I have achieved with my SPS Tac

Remmy 700 SPS Tac:

Action: Remmy 700
Barrel: Stock SPS Tac 20" barrel
Bolt: Badger Ordinance Bolt
Stock: HS Precision 5R take off bedded
Trigger: Timney 510 @ 2.5LB
Bipod: Harris BR-S
Base: EGW 20MOA
Rings: Warne 30mm Low
Scope: Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical
Muzzle Brake: Roedale c21.5 (clamp on style)

Here is my best 100 yard groups after I got my muzzle brake 1-28-11 One three shot group was .217 and a 4 shot group .319

Here is my 534-50 +- yard group came out at 2.520

 

[sirrobbinhood]

Re: New LR shooter

TD,
I shoot a Rem 700 XCR Tact and it does great out to 1000 meters (I have shot it in a few long range matches). I only shoot a 10x Mark 4 so I can tell you that 1000 is a def possibility. I would say that 5000 rounds from a .40 is getting up there, I would save up for a new barrel in the coming future with that many rounds through it anyway...especially if this is the one you carry. Additionally, if you plan on shooting 30-40 yards a fixed power scope may not be the best option for you, particularly if you hunt with it. They make vari power scopes in 3.5-10x which may be a good option for you if you really want the 10x capability. Good luck with it all, take some pics of what you decide!

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is what I have achieved with my SPS Tac

Remmy 700 SPS Tac:

Action: Remmy 700
Barrel: Stock SPS Tac 20" barrel
Bolt: Badger Ordinance Bolt
Stock: HS Precision 5R take off bedded
Trigger: Timney 510 @ 2.5LB
Bipod: Harris BR-S
Base: EGW 20MOA
Rings: Warne 30mm Low
Scope: Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical
Muzzle Brake: <span style="font-weight: bold">Roedale c21.5</span> (clamp on style)

Here is my best 100 yard groups after I got my muzzle brake 1-28-11 One three shot group was .217 and a 4 shot group .319

Here is my 534-50 +- yard group came out at 2.520

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I like the design (cosmetically) of that muzzle brake and your stock is the one that I am planning to get in the future. How much of a difference did your muzzle brake make?

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GDG308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TD,
I shoot a Rem 700 XCR Tact and it does great out to 1000 meters (I have shot it in a few long range matches). I only shoot a 10x Mark 4 so I can tell you that 1000 is a def possibility. I would say that 5000 rounds from a .40 is getting up there, I would save up for a new barrel in the coming future with that many rounds through it anyway...especially if this is the one you carry. Additionally, if you plan on shooting 30-40 yards a fixed power scope may not be the best option for you, particularly if you hunt with it. They make vari power scopes in 3.5-10x which may be a good option for you if you really want the 10x capability. Good luck with it all, take some pics of what you decide! </div></div>

I would eventually like to get out to 1000 yrds accurately so I guess I would be needing the 10x capability. On the lower end of cost, what other glass do you recommend besides the swfa ss line?

 

[winxp_man]

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I read some good things about the Wotac scope and even the Millet that will have enough to get you to 1000 yards.

 

[winxp_man]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I like the design (cosmetically) of that muzzle brake and your stock is the one that I am planning to get in the future. How much of a difference did your muzzle brake make?</div></div>

I have videos on youtube while the brake is in use. This brake is a Roedale brake. I would say that my setup as it is has a kick of my .223 AR-15 if not less. I can stay on target with no issues at all. Another plus to it is the fact that its a clap on.

My scope is a hawke scope that works really well so far

My rifle even had a fall off the hood of a lifted Toyota truck and still on target how I sighted in. The model I got is a Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical.

I got more pics of targets and even a box test that I did.

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I like the design (cosmetically) of that muzzle brake and your stock is the one that I am planning to get in the future. How much of a difference did your muzzle brake make?</div></div>

I have videos on youtube while the brake is in use. This brake is a Roedale brake. I would say that my setup as it is has a kick of my .223 AR-15 if not less. I can stay on target with no issues at all. Another plus to it is the fact that its a clap on.

My scope is a hawke scope that works really well so far

My rifle even had a fall off the hood of a lifted Toyota truck and still on target how I sighted in. The model I got is a Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical.

I got more pics of targets and even a box test that I did.





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I'm interested to see these tests since this is basically the setup I'm shooting for. (no pun intended)

 

[Will Todd]

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do you have a link to the videos?

 

[Will Todd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My scope is a hawke scope that works really well so far

My rifle even had a fall off the hood of a lifted Toyota truck and still on target how I sighted in. The model I got is a Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical.


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That's pretty much right in the price range that i'm looking for! How is the visibility out at 1000yrds? should I go for the 6.5-20x?

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TonyAngel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I started with an SPS and shot plenty of .2 and .3" groups at 100 yards with it, with the occassional group at .1" and under. I'm now running a 22" Krieger barrel, HS Precision stock, Wyatt's bottom metal and a Timney trigger. I'm still shooting .2 and .3" groups, but I don't have to de-copper every 40 rounds. I've put three hundred rounds down the pipe without cleaning without a noticeable decrease in accuracy.

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I would love to see some pics of your set up.

 

[xNF_9]

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Rifle in sig shoots .75 largest when testing loads at 100 yards. I've found my pet load at 42.6-42.9gr of varget win brass fgmm primer 175 smk at 2.805 oal. I've shot single hole 5 shot groups with this load. It's awesome when you know that when shots miss the hole you know it was you.

Rifle: Rem 700P 308, Ken Ferrel 20MOA, McM A4, RadTac DBM, Harris, Jewell trigger, Leupold 30mm Highs, and NF NXS 5.5-22x56

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: (pink)MiST</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rifle in sig shoots .75 largest when testing loads at 100 yards. I've found my pet load at 42.6-42.9gr of varget win brass fgmm primer 175 smk at 2.805 oal. I've shot single hole 5 shot groups with this load. It's awesome when you know that when shots miss the hole you know it was you.

Rifle: Rem 700P 308, Ken Ferrel 20MOA, McM A4, RadTac DBM, Harris, Jewell trigger, Leupold 30mm Highs, and NF NXS 5.5-22x56 </div></div>

You lost me on the load data... thats something i really know nothing about though I would really like to get into reloading my own ammunition. Gonna have to read up on it. I do however understand putting 5 rounds in the same hole and thats pretty impressive! Nice rig!

 

[winxp_man]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I'm interested to see these tests since this is basically the setup I'm shooting for. (no pun intended)</div></div>

Here is the link to my box test that I did with this scope.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...969#Post1998969

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">do you have a link to the videos?</div></div>

Here is my youtube videos links for the Roedale muzzle brake test.

Video 1 I started by shooting a few rounds and getting things rolling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3RSuRv5nK4

Video 2 Some more shooting and getting closer with the phone to get the video. At one point I load 4 in the mag to show how you can shoot and not have to rest the rifle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4llQFPE0tMM

Video 3 My buddy took a few shots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMH_HX9qHzg

Video 4 And this video was my little conclustion to the day big_smile Hope you guys can make something out of my first real video review big_smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpN-h5ZtBs


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My scope is a hawke scope that works really well so far

My rifle even had a fall off the hood of a lifted Toyota truck and still on target how I sighted in. The model I got is a Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical.


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That's pretty much right in the price range that i'm looking for! How is the visibility out at 1000yrds? should I go for the 6.5-20x?</div></div>

My 4.5-14x42 I have shot it out to 550 yards and only used 10x the most to spot a 3" target sticker with no problems at all.

In my box test link above I also have through the scope pics.


hope all this helps

 

[lovain1932]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GDG308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TD,
I shoot a Rem 700 XCR Tact and it does great out to 1000 meters (I have shot it in a few long range matches). I only shoot a 10x Mark 4 so I can tell you that 1000 is a def possibility. I would say that 5000 rounds from a .40 is getting up there, I would save up for a new barrel in the coming future with that many rounds through it anyway...especially if this is the one you carry. Additionally, if you plan on shooting 30-40 yards a fixed power scope may not be the best option for you, particularly if you hunt with it. They make vari power scopes in 3.5-10x which may be a good option for you if you really want the 10x capability. Good luck with it all, take some pics of what you decide! </div></div>

I would eventually like to get out to 1000 yrds accurately so I guess I would be needing the 10x capability. On the lower end of cost, what other glass do you recommend besides the swfa ss line? </div></div> I shoot the Hawke 6.5x24 tactical and it does great at 1000yds best scope on the market for $400.00 IMO
It's just not that well known. Sniper country did a review on the Hawke Tactical scope

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

Thank you everyone for all your advice and recommendations! You have all been a tremendous help and it is much appreciated. After much thought and weighing options, I have decided that I'm going to go with the Hawke tactical line of optics. Probably the 6.5-20x so I can have a better picture at the distances I'm trying to reach. I bought an sps tactical .308 this weekend and will get some pics of the set up when I get everything together and ready for the range. I'm still deliberating on the muzzle brake. I'm leaning heavily towards getting the barrel threaded. Two more things I need to figure out:

1. What are some good thread-on muzzle brakes?

2. I need to get a one piece optic base. This (and the rings) is something that I would go ahead and spend the extra money on to get something high quality. What are your recommendations?

 

[Boomstick308]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is what I have achieved with my SPS Tac

Remmy 700 SPS Tac:

Action: Remmy 700
Barrel: Stock SPS Tac 20" barrel
Bolt: Badger Ordinance Bolt
Stock: HS Precision 5R take off bedded
Trigger: Timney 510 @ 2.5LB
Bipod: Harris BR-S
Base: EGW 20MOA
Rings: Warne 30mm Low
Scope: Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical
Muzzle Brake: Roedale c21.5 (clamp on style)

Here is my best 100 yard groups after I got my muzzle brake 1-28-11 One three shot group was .217 and a 4 shot group .319

Here is my 534-50 +- yard group came out at 2.520

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Any drawbacks to going with this clamp on muzzle brake over a threaded one? Based on those groups I would say no, but maybe you've come across some since the pictures were taken.

 

[lovain1932]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is what I have achieved with my SPS Tac

Remmy 700 SPS Tac:

Action: Remmy 700
Barrel: Stock SPS Tac 20" barrel
Bolt: Badger Ordinance Bolt
Stock: HS Precision 5R take off bedded
Trigger: Timney 510 @ 2.5LB
Bipod: Harris BR-S
Base: EGW 20MOA
Rings: Warne 30mm Low
Scope: Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical
Muzzle Brake: Roedale c21.5 (clamp on style)

Here is my best 100 yard groups after I got my muzzle brake 1-28-11 One three shot group was .217 and a 4 shot group .319

Here is my 534-50 +- yard group came out at 2.520

</div></div>I have that same Hawke scope on my sps varmit 308 and I can't say enough about how great of a scope it is. The gunsmith I use has a couple of them, He used to be a big fan of the leupold Mark IV. But he swears he cant tell a difference in the ability of two except one is about 700.00 cheaper. And this guy is very well thought of in the local shooting community

 

[lovain1932]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My scope is a hawke scope that works really well so far

My rifle even had a fall off the hood of a lifted Toyota truck and still on target how I sighted in. The model I got is a Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical.


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That's pretty much right in the price range that i'm looking for! How is the visibility out at 1000yrds? should I go for the 6.5-20x? </div></div>6.5x20 for sure

 

[Dylan in AZ]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you everyone for all your advice and recommendations! You have all been a tremendous help and it is much appreciated. After much thought and weighing options, I have decided that I'm going to go with the Hawke tactical line of optics. Probably the 6.5-20x so I can have a better picture at the distances I'm trying to reach. I bought an sps tactical .308 this weekend and will get some pics of the set up when I get everything together and ready for the range. I'm still deliberating on the muzzle brake. I'm leaning heavily towards getting the barrel threaded. Two more things I need to figure out:

1. What are some good thread-on muzzle brakes?

2. I need to get a one piece optic base. This (and the rings) is something that I would go ahead and spend the extra money on to get something high quality. What are your recommendations?</div></div>
Dood... If you wanted to have a muzzle break you should've bought an SPS-T AAC it comes pre-threaded from the factory and only retails for like 50 dollars more. Plus it is a 1-10 twist instead of the 1-12 that the regular SPS-T has meaning it will shoot a wider selection of bullets (the heavier ones).

But if it's too late to turn back then I guess what's done is done...

To answer your two questions:

1)There are plenty of great breaks on the market, Badger Ordnance is the one that comes to mind first and foremost. But Vias makes another one which is also great but sucks to use prone (kicks dirt up everywhere) and most muzzle breaks will make a rifle much louder as well FYI. Do some searching around and you will find a plethora of options

2)Optic bases of high quality are easy to come by. The really nice ones are made by NightForce, Badger Ordnance, etc, etc... But I would recomend you look into the EGW bases as well. They really are built solid and I haven't read a bad review on them to date. Plus they are cheaper (around 100 dollars cheaper) than the brands mentioned earlier. I don't think I'll ever own a NightForce base simply because an EGW will do the exact same thing it will but for much less money. I may be wrong in what i'm saying here so if anyone can provide better reasoning to spend more money on a base please post it. On the topic of te rings, I like Leupold, Badger, NightForce because they all are made to exacting tolerances and any of which will get you where you need to go. Again, very expensive and I have yet to hear a bad thing about Burris Xtreme Tactical 6-Screw rings. This is along the lines of the EGW base argument I just made. They seem to work just as well so why not save about a hundred dollars here too? Seems like a no-brainer to me unless you have the money to throw around but as I see it, that's easily 200 dollars in savings from rings/bases alone that will do the same job as the more expensive models will. That 200 could easily be put into several other things like a better stock, better glass, threaded barrel & break installed, shooting accessories (bi-pod, shooting mat, sling, etc, etc...), a bolt knob install, or best of all, ammo! Even better, reloading equipment! And with the money you save by reloading you can invest in everything else mentioned above and be a very happy and well set man. And then if you still want them super fance rings and base then you can upgrade those as well somewhere down the line.

I just got into a massive spitballing contest with myself, I hope there was some good advice in there somewhere

Best of luck buddy,
-Dylan

 

[Truth223]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TerrorInTheShadows</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you everyone for all your advice and recommendations! You have all been a tremendous help and it is much appreciated. After much thought and weighing options, I have decided that I'm going to go with the Hawke tactical line of optics. Probably the 6.5-20x so I can have a better picture at the distances I'm trying to reach. I bought an sps tactical .308 this weekend and will get some pics of the set up when I get everything together and ready for the range. I'm still deliberating on the muzzle brake. I'm leaning heavily towards getting the barrel threaded. Two more things I need to figure out:

1. What are some good thread-on muzzle brakes?

2. I need to get a one piece optic base. This (and the rings) is something that I would go ahead and spend the extra money on to get something high quality. What are your recommendations?</div></div>
Dood... If you wanted to have a muzzle break you should've bought an SPS-T AAC it comes pre-threaded from the factory and only retails for like 50 dollars more. Plus it is a 1-10 twist instead of the 1-12 that the regular SPS-T has meaning it will shoot a wider selection of bullets (the heavier ones).

But if it's too late to turn back then I guess what's done is done...

To answer your two questions:

1)There are plenty of great breaks on the market, Badger Ordnance is the one that comes to mind first and foremost. But Vias makes another one which is also great but sucks to use prone (kicks dirt up everywhere) and most muzzle breaks will make a rifle much louder as well FYI. Do some searching around and you will find a plethora of options

2)Optic bases of high quality are easy to come by. The really nice ones are made by NightForce, Badger Ordnance, etc, etc... But I would recomend you look into the EGW bases as well. They really are built solid and I haven't read a bad review on them to date. Plus they are cheaper (around 100 dollars cheaper) than the brands mentioned earlier. I don't think I'll ever own a NightForce base simply because an EGW will do the exact same thing it will but for much less money. I may be wrong in what i'm saying here so if anyone can provide better reasoning to spend more money on a base please post it. On the topic of te rings, I like Leupold, Badger, NightForce because they all are made to exacting tolerances and any of which will get you where you need to go. Again, very expensive and I have yet to hear a bad thing about Burris Xtreme Tactical 6-Screw rings. This is along the lines of the EGW base argument I just made. They seem to work just as well so why not save about a hundred dollars here too? Seems like a no-brainer to me unless you have the money to throw around but as I see it, that's easily 200 dollars in savings from rings/bases alone that will do the same job as the more expensive models will. That 200 could easily be put into several other things like a better stock, better glass, threaded barrel & break installed, shooting accessories (bi-pod, shooting mat, sling, etc, etc...), a bolt knob install, or best of all, ammo! Even better, reloading equipment! And with the money you save by reloading you can invest in everything else mentioned above and be a very happy and well set man. And then if you still want them super fance rings and base then you can upgrade those as well somewhere down the line.

I just got into a massive spitballing contest with myself, I hope there was some good advice in there somewhere

Best of luck buddy,
-Dylan </div></div>

I just picked up my rem 700 sps tactical aac-sd. Do you have any recomendations for a screw on muzzle brake?

 

[winxp_man]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boomstick308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Any drawbacks to going with this clamp on muzzle brake over a threaded one? Based on those groups I would say no, but maybe you've come across some since the pictures were taken. </div></div>

None so far. Im getting my Sendero here real soon in 300 Win Mag and I'm planning on another brake from the same company- Roedale.

 

[winxp_man]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truth223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TerrorInTheShadows</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you everyone for all your advice and recommendations! You have all been a tremendous help and it is much appreciated. After much thought and weighing options, I have decided that I'm going to go with the Hawke tactical line of optics. Probably the 6.5-20x so I can have a better picture at the distances I'm trying to reach. I bought an sps tactical .308 this weekend and will get some pics of the set up when I get everything together and ready for the range. I'm still deliberating on the muzzle brake. I'm leaning heavily towards getting the barrel threaded. Two more things I need to figure out:

1. What are some good thread-on muzzle brakes?

2. I need to get a one piece optic base. This (and the rings) is something that I would go ahead and spend the extra money on to get something high quality. What are your recommendations?</div></div>
Dood... If you wanted to have a muzzle break you should've bought an SPS-T AAC it comes pre-threaded from the factory and only retails for like 50 dollars more. Plus it is a 1-10 twist instead of the 1-12 that the regular SPS-T has meaning it will shoot a wider selection of bullets (the heavier ones).

But if it's too late to turn back then I guess what's done is done...

To answer your two questions:

1)There are plenty of great breaks on the market, Badger Ordnance is the one that comes to mind first and foremost. But Vias makes another one which is also great but sucks to use prone (kicks dirt up everywhere) and most muzzle breaks will make a rifle much louder as well FYI. Do some searching around and you will find a plethora of options

2)Optic bases of high quality are easy to come by. The really nice ones are made by NightForce, Badger Ordnance, etc, etc... But I would recomend you look into the EGW bases as well. They really are built solid and I haven't read a bad review on them to date. Plus they are cheaper (around 100 dollars cheaper) than the brands mentioned earlier. I don't think I'll ever own a NightForce base simply because an EGW will do the exact same thing it will but for much less money. I may be wrong in what i'm saying here so if anyone can provide better reasoning to spend more money on a base please post it. On the topic of te rings, I like Leupold, Badger, NightForce because they all are made to exacting tolerances and any of which will get you where you need to go. Again, very expensive and I have yet to hear a bad thing about Burris Xtreme Tactical 6-Screw rings. This is along the lines of the EGW base argument I just made. They seem to work just as well so why not save about a hundred dollars here too? Seems like a no-brainer to me unless you have the money to throw around but as I see it, that's easily 200 dollars in savings from rings/bases alone that will do the same job as the more expensive models will. That 200 could easily be put into several other things like a better stock, better glass, threaded barrel & break installed, shooting accessories (bi-pod, shooting mat, sling, etc, etc...), a bolt knob install, or best of all, ammo! Even better, reloading equipment! And with the money you save by reloading you can invest in everything else mentioned above and be a very happy and well set man. And then if you still want them super fance rings and base then you can upgrade those as well somewhere down the line.

I just got into a massive spitballing contest with myself, I hope there was some good advice in there somewhere

Best of luck buddy,
-Dylan </div></div>

I just picked up my rem 700 sps tactical aac-sd. Do you have any recomendations for a screw on muzzle brake?</div></div>


I was reading up on the RAD muzzle breaks and see some good reviews. Also you have the Badger Ordinance brakes that are supposed to be really good.

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TerrorInTheShadows</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Dood... If you wanted to have a muzzle break you should've bought an SPS-T AAC it comes pre-threaded from the factory and only retails for like 50 dollars more. Plus it is a 1-10 twist instead of the 1-12 that the regular SPS-T has meaning it will shoot a wider selection of bullets (the heavier ones).

But if it's too late to turn back then I guess what's done is done...

To answer your two questions:

1)There are plenty of great breaks on the market, Badger Ordnance is the one that comes to mind first and foremost. But Vias makes another one which is also great but sucks to use prone (kicks dirt up everywhere) and most muzzle breaks will make a rifle much louder as well FYI. Do some searching around and you will find a plethora of options

2)Optic bases of high quality are easy to come by. The really nice ones are made by NightForce, Badger Ordnance, etc, etc... <span style="text-decoration: underline">But I would recomend you look into the EGW bases as well. They really are built solid and I haven't read a bad review on them to date. Plus they are cheaper (around 100 dollars cheaper) than the brands mentioned earlier.</span> I don't think I'll ever own a NightForce base simply because an EGW will do the exact same thing it will but for much less money. I may be wrong in what i'm saying here so if anyone can provide better reasoning to spend more money on a base please post it. On the topic of te rings, I like Leupold, Badger, NightForce because they all are made to exacting tolerances and any of which will get you where you need to go. <span style="text-decoration: underline">Again, very expensive and I have yet to hear a bad thing about Burris Xtreme Tactical 6-Screw rings. This is along the lines of the EGW base argument I just made. They seem to work just as well so why not save about a hundred dollars here too? Seems like a no-brainer to me unless you have the money to throw around but as I see it, that's easily 200 dollars in savings from rings/bases alone that will do the same job as the more expensive models will.</span> That 200 could easily be put into several other things like a better stock, better glass, threaded barrel & break installed, shooting accessories (bi-pod, shooting mat, sling, etc, etc...), a bolt knob install, or best of all, ammo! <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Even better, reloading equipment! And with the money you save by reloading you can invest in everything else mentioned above and be a very happy and well set man.</span></span> And then if you still want them super fance rings and base then you can upgrade those as well somewhere down the line.

<span style="color: #FF6666">I just got into a massive spitballing contest with myself, I hope there was some good advice in there somewhere

</span>

Best of luck buddy,
-Dylan </div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline">This is exactly the kind of advice that I am looking for! I'm trying to stay low cost with quality foremost in mind and sounds to me like you hit the nail on the head with all that. Much appreciated! </span>
As far as the aac is concerned, It may actually not be too late. I'm going to have to check on that and see if that is an option for me at this point. I ordered it through a local gun store here is Austin so I may still me able to switch it out with the other model.
<span style="color: #FF6666">Excellent advice and I greatly appreciate your input!</span>

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

Any one have any experience with these: http://www.americanprecisionarms.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=51
Read some good reviews about it but seems to be geared more for larger caliber rifles. Will it work with a .308? Thoughts?

 

[sirrobbinhood]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GDG308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TD,
I shoot a Rem 700 XCR Tact and it does great out to 1000 meters (I have shot it in a few long range matches). I only shoot a 10x Mark 4 so I can tell you that 1000 is a def possibility. I would say that 5000 rounds from a .40 is getting up there, I would save up for a new barrel in the coming future with that many rounds through it anyway...especially if this is the one you carry. Additionally, if you plan on shooting 30-40 yards a fixed power scope may not be the best option for you, particularly if you hunt with it. They make vari power scopes in 3.5-10x which may be a good option for you if you really want the 10x capability. Good luck with it all, take some pics of what you decide! </div></div>

I would eventually like to get out to 1000 yrds accurately so I guess I would be needing the 10x capability. On the lower end of cost, what other glass do you recommend besides the swfa ss line? </div></div>


Well I like my Leupolds but that's what I shot in my military service so I bought them because I know them but I paid a pretty penny for the two I own. I am looking into the Burris 4-12x scopes now, but I am saving my money for a wedding right now. so I'm just doing my research...I have a few rifles I want to glass to make long range rifles but they're gonna have to wait a little while! I guess you can never have enough man toys...and it's a life time of buying and selling! HAHA

 

[layinclose2hell]

Re: New LR shooter

I have basically given up shooting groups with the exception of sighting in. The Tactical/Practical target in the advanced marksmanship forum is a great training aid, and will keep you busy. I have the Hawke 4.5-14x42 SideWinder Tactical on my .22, and the
Hawke 6-20x42 SideWinder Tactical on my SPS Tactical: HS PST093, bedded, Badger DBM, Base and Rings, Tac Ops bolt knob. Went to the range the other day and was primarily there to shoot the .22 at 100 and 200 yards (VERY humbling experience...) and decided to take out the SPS. Could easily see the target, fired 1 shot, cold bore. Packed both guns up and went home, giggling all the way. Please keep in mind this is not a regular occurrence for me at 200 yards, but I'm working on it. I don't think you will regret the purchase of any of the Sidewinder 30 Tactical scopes when confined by a budget. Spend the money on boolits and trigger time.

 

[Dylan in AZ]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="text-decoration: underline">This is exactly the kind of advice that I am looking for! I'm trying to stay low cost with quality foremost in mind and sounds to me like you hit the nail on the head with all that. Much appreciated! </span>
As far as the aac is concerned, It may actually not be too late. I'm going to have to check on that and see if that is an option for me at this point. I ordered it through a local gun store here is Austin so I may still me able to switch it out with the other model.
<span style="color: #FF6666">Excellent advice and I greatly appreciate your input!</span></div></div>
No problem buddy, I'm allways happy to help! But yes, I think the SPS-T AAC-SD (full name) is the best choice for you. If you can trade out models, which I assume you can if you just had it ordered through a shop and haven't payed anything on it, then it would suit your goals much much better.

I revise exactly what I want on a day to day basis but realisticly this is what I'll be running:
-Remington SPS-T AAC-SD
-EGW 20MOA Base
-Burris 6-Screw Rings
-Super Sniper 10x42M Model (Saving for a used NightForce...)
-Eventually a HS Precision Police or McMillan A3/A5

Obvioulsy everything would come as the budget allows but I already have the scope and rings so I'm just waiting on funds for the rifle and I'll be on my way!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any one have any experience with these: http://www.americanprecisionarms.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=51
Read some good reviews about it but seems to be geared more for larger caliber rifles. Will it work with a .308? Thoughts?</div></div>
Ahh, the FatBastard... Yep that's a VERY effective muzzle break and will work with your 308 but is more designed for the 338+ calibers. Not that it won't work but look at this one:
http://www.americanprecisionarms.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=5&products_id=52
The "Little Bastard" is just as effective as its big brother but is specifically designed for the smaller calibers such as the 308. Plus it's also 50-55 dollars cheaper in comparison, is a flush fit unit so no ugly bulges at the end of your barrel, side ported so you can comfortably go prone without filling your scope with debris and annoying your shooting partners/neighbors.

Just have it turned down to your barrel's profile and have the smith open the hole up to the appropriate diameter for 30 caliber. This unit won't dissapoint you though and is a much better fit for the 308 than the Fat Bastard.

-Dylan

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TerrorInTheShadows</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ahh, the FatBastard... Yep that's a VERY effective muzzle break and will work with your 308 but is more designed for the 338+ calibers. Not that it won't work but look at this one:
http://www.americanprecisionarms.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=5&products_id=52
The "Little Bastard" is just as effective as its big brother but is specifically designed for the smaller calibers such as the 308. Plus it's also 50-55 dollars cheaper in comparison, is a flush fit unit so no ugly bulges at the end of your barrel, side ported so you can comfortably go prone without filling your scope with debris and annoying your shooting partners/neighbors.

Just have it turned down to your barrel's profile and have the smith open the hole up to the appropriate diameter for 30 caliber. This unit won't dissapoint you though and is a much better fit for the 308 than the Fat Bastard.

-Dylan </div></div>

Yeah I was wondering about that. Sounds like I will be going with the little bastard. Thanks again for the info! Your set up is pretty much the way I want to configure mine but I will be using the hawke 6.5-20x instead of the SS. The HS precision police is the stock I want to use. Can't say enough about how much I loved my friends 700pss in my hands! Fits like it was made for me!

 

[Dylan in AZ]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TACticalDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah I was wondering about that. Sounds like I will be going with the little bastard. Thanks again for the info! Your set up is pretty much the way I want to configure mine but I will be using the hawke 6.5-20x instead of the SS. The HS precision police is the stock I want to use. <span style="color: #CC0000">Can't say enough about how much I loved my friends 700pss in my hands! Fits like it was made for me!</span></div></div>
Now that is awsome! You know that stock will fit you perfectly when you get it, it's allways good to know a stock that will fit just right

I'm not very picky (at all) when it comes to how a stock fits me. It seems they all feel about the same but I guess that's a benefit in some respects. I've never handled an HS before so that will have to be something else I look into.

I think realisticly I'll be getting an HS take-off but the factory Hogue will have to do untill I can.

Regards,
-Dylan

 

[ccoker]

Re: New LR shooter

Hey there.
I am in Austin and go out to Best of the West from time to time
Be glad to hook up with you sometime

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

No go on the pre-threaded sps... their suppliers are sold out. Think I'm probably going to run it for a bit with no brake on it to see how I like it.

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ccoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey there.
I am in Austin and go out to Best of the West from time to time
Be glad to hook up with you sometime

</div></div>

Thanks for the invite!

 

[whitefarms4840]

Re: New LR shooter

Just starting out too, good thread, think it has helped me on a scope choice. Hawke good enough to throw on a FN SPR? till more funds become available on my end?

 

[Dylan in AZ]

Re: New LR shooter

^ Totally

The 308 shouldn't be anything hard to controll w/o a break.

-Dylan

 

[air2mag]

Re: New LR shooter

Thanks for the thread guys. I'm right in there with you all just starting out. After weeks of research and many online reviews, I'm going to go with the SS 10X42. I know it's not the greatest, but neither is my shooting ability. I normaly shoot Bullseye so this should help my scores there too.

 

[Will Todd]

Re: New LR shooter

the more the merrier... maintaining our second amendment rights is important. It helps to have people who know what they are doing and have experience with the subject put their 2 cents in. Any advice I get (on this forum or through personal friends) is much appreciated seeing as how I dont have the luxury of time to try out every option.