Rifle Scopes New member here with a quick hello and question

[moronmountain]

So I've been a semi lurker here for a few months, and finally decided to join. It seems like there is a good community here, and I wanted to be able to get involved in discussions. Having said that, I am just recently getting interested in long range shooting. Most of my shooting experience is more CQ type, and hunting in thick woods that don't allow very long shots.

I have a friend that was a military sniper, and he has agreed to teach me how to shoot long range. He told me to get a mil-dot reticle. I've decided that I want a front focal plane scope, but can't decide between mil or moa click adjustments. I'm leaning towards moa since it seems that it would allow finer adjustments as I believe 1/4 moa is a smaller amount than 1 mil correct? I know it's mostly preference, but I thought I would ask everyone's opinion here. Also, does the military use mil-dot with moa, or do they use a mil/mil system? Thanks in advance for any help!

 

[JCH]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

General rule of thumb is to get the turrets to match the reticle. If you are set on running a mil-dot scope then get mil turrets.

Advantage is when you spot a miss or measure using your reticle, you simply adjust the turret the number of mils you measured with your reticle. Same thing with a MOA scope/reticle combo.

 

[Alaskaman11]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

Always match them, ether mil/mil or moa/moa. The search engin on this site is your friend.

 

[moronmountain]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

Sorry to have wasted your time......

 

[moronmountain]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

Thanks JCH. That's good info.

 

[johnnycat]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

These days matching your adjustments to your reticle is the rage. I think it's a good idea. Some of the old school guys are accustomed to running mil reticle with moa adjustments, because that was the only thing available. If you are just starting out by all means be consistent. Either moa/moa or mil/mil - it'll just make things easier on you.

I'm in the process of phasing out my mil/moa stuff for mil/mil.

But it's all personal preference. If your spotter is going to call out adjustments in one or the other that'll influence your decision too. If your working with an ex-military sniper that's calling out moa adjustments (or mil adjustments) it helps to have that type of turret.

Just my $0.02, which is worth even less!

 

[GGGN]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stimpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I've been a semi lurker here for a few months, and finally decided to join. It seems like there is a good community here, and I wanted to be able to get involved in discussions. Having said that, I am just recently getting interested in long range shooting. Most of my shooting experience is more CQ type, and hunting in thick woods that don't allow very long shots.

I have a friend that was a military sniper, and he has agreed to teach me how to shoot long range. He told me to get a mil-dot reticle. I've decided that I want a front focal plane scope, but can't decide between mil or moa click adjustments. I'm leaning towards moa since it seems that it would allow finer adjustments as I believe 1/4 moa is a smaller amount than 1 mil correct? I know it's mostly preference, but I thought I would ask everyone's opinion here. Also, does the military use mil-dot with moa, or do they use a mil/mil system? Thanks in advance for any help! </div></div>

1/4 MOA is .250 100, .1 mill not 1 mill is .33" at 100. So you do get a little finer adjustment. Having said that it is NOT needed. As others have said mill/mill or moa/moa as long as the knobs match. You already said mil dot scope so why start thinking moa. You are already putting the 2 together.


Get either make sure they match. many many many pages of debate on this issue. I use mill and all the people I shoot with switched after shooting my stuff. (Glad they did to make it easier to call correction being on same page.)

Read around cause this has been talked about so much that most wont like another thread about it and/or it will turn into another pissing match.

 

[EXTREMEPREJUDICE]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Advantage is when you spot a miss or measure using your reticle, you simply adjust the turret the number of mils you measured with your reticle. Same thing with a MOA scope/reticle combo. </div></div> THIS!

 

[Opticsspecialist]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

www.shooterready.com

it's a pretty neat resource for comparing the two systems, just figure out what your comfortable with and go with that one

 

[azimutha]

Re: New member here with a quick hello and question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GGN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

1/4 MOA is .250 100, .1 mill not 1 mill is .33" at 100. So you do get a little finer adjustment. Having said that it is NOT needed. As others have said mill/mill or moa/moa as long as the knobs match. You already said mil dot scope so why start thinking moa. You are already putting the 2 together.</div></div>
The only reason I'm going to make a minor correction here is not to say these numbers are not accurate enough. They're better than I can shoot any day. I'm just going to point out that .1 mils is actually .36" @ 100 yards. Why mention it? Because that means it is 1/10,000th of the distance.

The key here is that with mils you get to work with decimal math. Personally, I find it easier to do the calculations than I would with an MOA/MOA setup.