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Rifle Scopes New Schmidt & Bender PM2 6-36x56
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Next scope I buy is a long haul so I’m doing what we all do and changing my mind 100 times before I commit. I almost called in (20% down to reserve), price I was quoted from EO is in the low $4K’s (MT turrets, need to ask about Pantone). Scopes are in production now with a completion date in late April, so I’d assume the general public would see them sometime in May/June? Any gun content YT channels/scope reviewers have one of these in hand yet?
Wow, that reticle actually looks really good. First one I have seen from S&B since the XR Gen 2 came out that I would run.
It does look a little thick. It would be nice if it was 20-25% thinner. Most shooting will be done on 20-30x and it would be nice to not cover as much target area up. Maybe a .03 or .04 thickness instead of .05.
The JTAC reticle thickness is almost perfect.
.425 Center dot with .25 line thickness.
It does look a little thick. It would be nice if it was 20-25% thinner. Most shooting will be done on 20-30x and it would be nice to not cover as much target area up. Maybe a .03 or .04 thickness instead of .05.
The JTAC reticle thickness is almost perfect.
.425 Center dot with .25 line thickness.
You bastards have ruined me on the turrets, especially @Glassaholic. I will only look at the DT II's. Carry on.
When you start spinning turrets for therapy throughout the day, you have arrived
I had it all figured out. Decided on the power, reticles, and I wasn't being too picky on the turrets or color. Made sure I had enough adjustment for the M82. 34mm tube- good. Scanned the dealers and PX. Yeah, let me read a little more on turrets just to be sure. Then;When you start spinning turrets for therapy throughout the day, you have arrived
*starts playing with different turrets in person*
*does it again*
*wonders if this is becoming an obsession*
*punches self in face*
That thing you saw streaking across the sky last night wasn't a comet, it was my computer that I launched out of the window after my eyes started bleeding.
/threadjack over.
Anyone else experienced significant parallax issues on their 6-36.
I got mine already sent to S&B once. But once back it was still terrible.
I can't get a clear picture - sharp picture past 600m. My reticule moves .2/.3 mil in all directions with small head movements.
Basically I can't shoot it.
Also the reticule seems to be in the forefront. When I adjust parallax looking through the gri2d to focus above it it is blurred . When I focus above it is blurred in through the gri2d.
Overall it is absolutely unusable.
So I've send it back.
Anyone experienced something similar?
I got mine already sent to S&B once. But once back it was still terrible.
I can't get a clear picture - sharp picture past 600m. My reticule moves .2/.3 mil in all directions with small head movements.
Basically I can't shoot it.
Also the reticule seems to be in the forefront. When I adjust parallax looking through the gri2d to focus above it it is blurred . When I focus above it is blurred in through the gri2d.
Overall it is absolutely unusable.
So I've send it back.
Anyone experienced something similar?
Have you set your diopter based on the instructions from the Hide
Most. Expensive. Fidget. Spinner. Ever.When you start spinning turrets for therapy throughout the day, you have arrived
-Stan
To be honest I've tried more or less all the diopter settings.
But I'd appreciate if you could direct me toward the instructions your are mentioning. Just in case I've missed something.
Have you had this issue with other scopes? And is there anything about your eyes that we should know about? Like cataracts or other eye diseases etc.
Here is one diopter adjustment version (attached).
And here is another:
www.snipershide.com
And here is another:
Tangent 5-25 or new Schmidt 6-36
Hope nobody is holding out for a tremor 3 in a 636 🤣🤣🤣 prolly be $9999.99 https://www.eurooptic.com/Schmidt-Bender-3-27x56-PM-II-High-Power-LP-TReMoR3-1-2cm-ccw-MT-II-MTC-Riflescop.aspx That Hitler meth must be hitting the perfect spot this time of year after you just finished huffing the last...
www.snipershide.com 
They left the US market.
I got to play with the Hensoldt for a day a few years ago. It was light years ahead of anything available at the time and was built like a tank. It made my S&B 5-25 look like a toy. How they got that optical clarity in that short a package is beyond me. The turrets and the elevation range were in a class by themselves. If it were CCW and had a real reticle, I would have bought one
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Not sure if it’s an issue for me but my parallax from 100 to 500 is on but anything farther than that it has to be set to infinity to get a clear parallax free picture.
My diopter is set properly and this is my second S&B, first one had the same “issue”. I do wear corrective lenses when I shoot so that might be a problem not sure.
Even on infinity the picture is not sharp passed 600-700m. For sure not top tier scope sharp....
And when I move my head, the aim point move ( no rifle movement - Phoenix bipod and Lenzi rear bag).
Are you in the US? I am guessing not. If you were you could speak to S&B’s excellent Jerry who usually answers the phone (and does a bunch of the work).
Good guess. I'm in Europe ( France).
My scope went back to Germany today.
Will see if they can fix it this time....
Just for piece of mind ( maybe) .......... I now have 5 S&B 6-36,s here and all have superb focus at extended range.
We shooting at 2500mtrs the weekend gone by and were commenting on just how the S&B were giving the Swaro and Kowa spotters a run for their money!!
Thanks!
Mine went back to Germany yesterday. Hopefully they will sort it out.
I have also placed an order for a twin
Mine went back to Germany yesterday. Hopefully they will sort it out.
I have also placed an order for a twin
I must admit I doubted you when you first posted this. I talk with some fairly knowledgeable folks over at EO pretty frequently. I have been wanting this scope for quite a while, but just can't stomach the only two reticles available (GR2ID and P5FL). I have asked frequently about any news of new reticle options coming out, with the answer always being no. So after reading your post I asked them again, and they said they hadn't heard anything but I forwarded the data sheet posted here and asked them to check. A few days later (yesterday) they confirmed they can order it (4-5 months delivery) so I put in my TR2ID pre-order!
Same price?
I don't know. There was a 2024 price increase, which applied to this one because it is new for '24, so it's hard to compare until the new prices for the older reticles are showing up in inventory. I don't think the price for this reticle is any different than the others, though.
Is the TR2iD an illuminated reticle? If so, what part and is it daylight visible?
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S&B usually has this info in the pdf. Sorry don't have the link but check their homepage.
The GR2ID is daytime bright in 6-36 so I’d imagine the TR2ID would be as well, these scopes usually share the same illumination modules.
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This new reticle looks great. For those that have done it, is it best to have a reticle swap done or sell one’s older optic and purchase a new one with the desired reticle. Purchased my 6–36 through EuroOptic with the P5FL reticle, but prefer the TR2ID layout.
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I have an 'old' S&B PM II 4-16 that I bought in '99 for my work rifle that was being built. It's now '24, I'm retired and working for an agency that bought 4 NF ACTAR's, a few years ago, for their SWAT rifles. I'm now working on those rifles (was at the range today with them, along with my 'old' sniper rig #1 w/the S&B and my newish #2 with a Razor HD III) and was shocked at the difference between the S&B and the NF. The S&B, for my eyes, has WAY better glass!!!
So basically the same dots and 2 mil tree lines, looks identical to GR2ID so I feel pretty confident brightness will be the same as well, which is to say it can be seen during daytime but dots are harder to see than illuminated lines.
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